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Itsme
06-08-2006, 07:32 PM
Five things you should know before installing Vista Beta 2
By Gregg Keizer, TechWeb Operating Systems
9 June 2006 09:28 AEST

The rush to install the newest Windows Vista beta is on. But before you take the plunge, here's five things you'll want to think about first.

The news on Wednesday that Microsoft had finally posted a public beta for its long-awaited, often-delayed Windows Vista brought the usual rush by multitudes who couldn't wait.

Enough, apparently, that some users have reported overloaded sites that never begin the download. (As of mid-day Thursday, TechWeb was unable to reach the English-language, 32-bit download file.)

That inability to access Beta 2's multi-gigabyte download may be a blessing in disguise. Tucked into Microsoft's website are notes that may be deal-breakers for many.

Here are five. Read 'em before you download, or pay $US10 to order a DVD from Microsoft.

1.) You'd better have a DVD burner

The hours it'll take you to download Vista Beta 2 - 9 hours using a 1.5Mbps connection (such as DSL) by Microsoft's estimate - will be wasted if you don't have access to a DVD-RW drive. It's possible, of course, to download the file and burn it to DVD on one PC, then install it on another, although certainly a hassle.

Sans DVD-RW, your only other option is to order the DVD, which costs $US6 in the US with another $US4 for shipping and handling. Microsoft says the disc should arrive in two to four weeks.

2) It goes dead in 2007, so if Microsoft delays Vista again

Like most previews from the developer, Vista Beta 2 has a time limit, after which it - 'poof!' - stops working. The deadline: June 1 2007.

Although that may seem like more than enough time - over a year away - it's unclear what will happen to your PC if, say, Microsoft doesn't meet its previously-announced January 2007 release date for the consumer editions of the OS.

It's not as if Microsoft hasn't delayed Vista before.

3) You're stuck with Vista

There is no easy way to turn back the clock and return the PC now running Vista Beta 2 to the box's earlier operating system. You're stuck, sort of.

"Once you install Windows Vista Beta 2 you cannot roll back to the previous operating system installation - you will either have to acquire and install the final released edition of Windows Vista or reinstall a previous edition of Windows," says Microsoft.

It then gives some advice all should heed: "Before installing Windows Vista Beta 2 on any computer, please remember to back up all your files."

One way to avoid a total re-install of, say, Windows XP, would be to back up the PC to an external drive using a disk imaging program such as Symantec's Norton Ghost before trying Vista. With that done, you could ditch Beta 2 by simply reimaging the PC's hard disk from the external drive.

4) You're stuck with Vista, deux

Ominous words from Microsoft: "You may not be able to upgrade your installation of Windows Vista Beta 2 to the final, commercially available edition of Windows Vista."

Naturally, you'll need the final version of Vista - what, you thought Microsoft was giving this away? - but you may also have to do what's called a "clean" install. In other words, the installation of the final Vista may be possible only by wiping out all that's on the hard drive of the PC.

Note the "may" in the caution. We suggest you take that to mean "will."

5) There are lots of "gotchas"

Finally, because this is beta software - and that's easy to forget, what with the plethora of software that companies like Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo soft-launch using previews these days - there is a long list of known problems. (No word on how many unknown problems.)

The Vista Beta 2 Release Notes may make your eyes glaze over, but they're well worth browsing, or at least printing out for later reference if necessary.

Among the strange, TechWeb counts the one that after an update from Windows XP to Vista, makes Outlook 2003 try to re-install whenever you click on the email client's interface.

No wonder Microsoft tries to wave off users.

"Before you decide to use Beta 2, you should feel comfortable with installing operating systems, updating drivers, and general PC troubleshooting," the company says on the Beta 2 download page. "Some risks of using beta operating systems include hardware and software incompatibility and system instability."

http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=33501&src=site-marq

Jeffbx
06-09-2006, 04:53 AM
As with any beta code,

- Don't use it as a primary OS
- Don't store critical files without a backup
- Don't count on it dual booting or uninstalling correctly

If you want to run it, ideally you'll have a 2nd HD that you can use as a boot device & leave your everyday machine alone.

zero2dash
06-09-2006, 10:32 AM
One more thing to mention to a potential installer: check the system requirements and make sure your system is up to it. Check the Vista upgrade advisor app on Microsoft's page also if you're unsure.

I was going to install this over the weekend, but I may take a step back in time and install 2k Pro again instead. :shrug:

TruckStuff
06-09-2006, 07:53 PM
I want to try this. It looks a lot like OSX which I use at work, and I'm intrigued. I've got a spare HDD sitting around, so I won't have any problems dual booting, even if I have to change boot devices in the BIOS. Anyone tried any version of Vista yet?

JackHammer
06-11-2006, 07:33 PM
I just downloaded the beta and I want to do a dual boot with Vista as my secondary OS. Is there a way without using partition magic or something to that effect to partition my C and install Vista on the new partition?

redcolours
06-11-2006, 08:21 PM
cryste! just use a second computer dedicated for it. why use your main system on something beta? thats just asking for trouble. its going to expire anyway, regardless, so it will still have to redone over when the final version comes around.

Jeffbx
06-12-2006, 05:03 AM
:stupid:

Don't try to dual boot with a beta OS, unless you're OK with totally formatting & reloading your system sometime in the near future.

zero2dash
06-12-2006, 06:34 AM
I want to try this. It looks a lot like OSX which I use at work, and I'm intrigued. I've got a spare HDD sitting around, so I won't have any problems dual booting, even if I have to change boot devices in the BIOS. Anyone tried any version of Vista yet?

I had and installed a CTP build back in March and used it for about a week before I got tired of the crashes (which is to be expected with a beta OS). It was good for a Windows OS, but (sorry) nothing Microsoft ever does will be as good as OSX IMO. I use OSX every day at work myself and after a year, I'll be buying an Intel Mac Pro (or whatever they call the Intel PowerMac that replaces the G5) when they're released.

I don't think Vista (or any other Windows release, for that matter) is anything like OSX. :D Don't get me wrong, I love XP Pro and I love Windows 2k...but compared to OSX, it's really apples-to-oranges. (no pun intended)

Jeffbx
06-12-2006, 09:47 AM
I've loaded it up a few times & it's not really comperable to OSX. It still has kinda the same look & feel of XP with a few visual enhancements thrown in.

If you have a relly beefy, state of the art machine, Vista will have some really cool visual effects. If you just have an everyday regular old PC, there really isn't a significant difference from XP.

I think it's a comperable upgrade as it was from 2000 to XP. Some things will be nicer, but I wouldn't call it groud breaking or revolutionary.

Grubbie
06-12-2006, 08:15 PM
:stupid:

Don't try to dual boot with a beta OS, unless you're OK with totally formatting & reloading your system sometime in the near future.

I have never had a problem dual booting Vista and XP. It might be a pain to get rid of Vista and be able to just boot into XP(never tried).

Airencracken
06-12-2006, 09:00 PM
Seeing the screenshots I wasn't terribly impressed. It looks like Windows ripping off apple/linux and I'm sure that it'll be more resource heavy since it's from microsoft.

Jeffbx
06-13-2006, 05:29 AM
I have never had a problem dual booting Vista and XP. It might be a pain to get rid of Vista and be able to just boot into XP(never tried).

No, I never had a problem with the dual boot either. However, you hit the nail on the head - try getting Vista cleaned entirely off of your system & you'll most likely end up formatting & starting over. Easy to install, not so easy to remove.

zero2dash
06-14-2006, 09:11 AM
No, I never had a problem with the dual boot either. However, you hit the nail on the head - try getting Vista cleaned entirely off of your system & you'll most likely end up formatting & starting over. Easy to install, not so easy to remove.

:agree:
Vista f'd up the mbr on my machine and I couldn't fix it no matter what I did (even trying several options through Recovery Console). For this reason alone, I had to reformat/reinstall XP after I was done with my Vista "experiment" and consequently - I won't be installing Vista anytime soon no matter what version or "build" it is (including retail).

Grubbie
06-14-2006, 09:24 PM
:agree:
Vista f'd up the mbr on my machine and I couldn't fix it no matter what I did (even trying several options through Recovery Console). For this reason alone, I had to reformat/reinstall XP after I was done with my Vista "experiment" and consequently - I won't be installing Vista anytime soon no matter what version or "build" it is (including retail).


I'm curious to see if you install xp on drive d, and vista on c how you get just xp left. I might have to try it out.

I'm thinking of just nuking the C drive from XP might do the trick, the new boot menu will probalby just have two options
Previous Windows
Windows Vista

Problem is I believe it will default to the Vista selection so you have 30 secs to flip it to the prevouis OS selection.

Jeffbx
06-15-2006, 04:42 AM
:agree:
Vista f'd up the mbr on my machine and I couldn't fix it no matter what I did (even trying several options through Recovery Console). For this reason alone, I had to reformat/reinstall XP after I was done with my Vista "experiment" and consequently - I won't be installing Vista anytime soon no matter what version or "build" it is (including retail).

Don't judge an OS by its beta! Heh.

I had the same experience with XP. Just wait until it's gold & released - it'll be fine.

Grubbie
06-15-2006, 06:50 AM
I just verified the dual boot/dual partiion format works. So if you have vista on your C drive, and XP on your D dual booted, formating C from XP and it cleans it out. On reboot it just defaults to Vista and you have to switch it to Previous OS or whatever the option is.

I believe you should be able to set the default boot order through bcdedit in Vista though before the format.