Lieberman Excommunicated?

[renots]

here (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200010\POL20001023i.html)

[oblongmelon]

I have a feeling nothing good will ever come of that GORE/LIEBERMAN duo..long live GEORGE w.

[sbp]

Lieberman is a hypocrite who loves to talk about God and then turns right around and supports all these late term abortions and homosexuality.

Lieberman's view of faith hints that Bush is ungodly
http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-2000102022240.htm

"If you believe in God, I think it's hard not to be an environmentalist because, you see, the environment is the work of God," he said Wednesday while delivering an environmental address at a park in Wisconsin." :rolleyes:

"In Chicago on Aug. 28, Mr. Lieberman linked the Gore-Lieberman prescription drug plan to the Fifth Commandment — to 'honor thy father and mother.'" :rolleyes:

Its because of crap like this my soul brother isn't voting for Gore-Lieberman.

[Edited by sbp on 10-25-2000 at 04:29 AM]

[abbra]

Whats new? By the way Bush has one of the worst education standards in the country. It seems as if the kids in Texas have lower grade and sat averages in his state than in any other state in the country... We can call him mr.low on the totem pole now...The man doesn't have the experience or the intelligence to run this country. Gore has the know-how to run it but he's a doofus..SO WHO DO YOU CHOOSE? THE DUMMY OR THE DOOFUS?

[pennypinch]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they talking about the Orthodox jews? If so, then the fact that he shaves should be chalked up there with "supporting flaunting homosexuals", whatever the hell those are.

This is like saying Bush got excommunicated from by the Mormons and branch Davidians, for having a Coke and not worshipping David Koresh...oh, and calling someone an *******! Almost forgot about that one!!

[pennypinch]

However, that WPost article says Lieberman IS an Orthodox jew...well, that's weird. I wonder how he shaves? And what about the prayer shawls, etc...granted, I'm not exactly up to speed on jewish protocol!

[sbp]

Looks like abbra fell hook, line and sinker for this nonsense. This Rand report doesn't jive with an early Rand report and just happened to be released 2 weeks before an election in which Bush is leading. :rolleyes:

[abbra]

No hook here... I will take the Doofus over the dummy any day..... GO GORE GO GORE GO GORE....

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by sbp
Looks like abbra fell hook, line and sinker for this nonsense. This Rand report doesn't jive with an early Rand report and just happened to be released 2 weeks before an election in which Bush is leading. :rolleyes:



For Christ's sakes, now your accusing the RAND Corporation of liberal leanings? Do you really think they'd have the credibility that they do if their political preferences were so obvious? That's a pretty laughable conspiracy theory, sbp...

As much as it makes my stomach turn, it looks like I'll have to vote for Gore. Blech. It's just a question of three things:

-less of a jackass. Sorry, but its the white house, not the frat house. Making the lower cabinet members do pushups and eat mushrooms out of each others' asses does not become a president. :)
-Roe v. Wade. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Gore will try and push some sort of CDA-type legislation by stacking the bench, but if my wife or girlfriend is raped, I'd rather not have to care for some criminal's baby, thank you very much.:rolleyes:
-Better handle on foreign relations: let's say the economy goes well for the next four years (a massive assumption, but let's just say so). That probably means an second term. Do I trust George "I got an F or a D or whatever in Foreign Relations" Bush to handle the rest of the world, which is, let's face it, in a pretty precarious position right now? My ass. At least Gore's been to that party, and hasn't blown the planet up...

[oblongmelon]

POLITICAL DEBATES SUCK..just pick someone for christ sake..like your vote is going to count anyway. HELL I VOTED FOR ROSS PEROT! IF PEOPLE HAD LISTENED back then we wouldnt have had 8 years of NOTHING but embarrassment.

[sbp]

pennypinch frothed at the mouth with the following statement: "For Christ's sakes, now your accusing the RAND Corporation of liberal leanings? Do you really think they'd have the credibility that they do if their political preferences were so obvious? That's a pretty laughable conspiracy theory, sbp..."

I do not consider the RAND corporation to have liberal leanings. I'm not sure where you pulled that theory out from penny.
An earlier Rand report said education had improved in Texas under Bush. The release of this report right now was politically motivated when it has been around for months.

Apparently you weren't awake during the last 8 years and seen how Clinton, with his adolescent boy shenanigans has disgraced the White House. Treating the oval office {or is that oral orifice?} as a frat house with cigars is just fine according to you. :rolleyes:

"-Roe v. Wade. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Gore will try and push some sort of CDA-type legislation by stacking the bench, but if my wife or girlfriend is raped, I'd rather not have to care for some criminal's baby, thank you very much. :rolleyes:"
Yeah, yeah, now who's making stuff up? People are having abortions for every single thing under the sun. Abortion has become nothing more than birth control for irresponsible people who can't seem to figure out how to use birth control. Under Bush abortion would be available for rape victims, incest victims and mothers who's health is in danger from the pregnancy.

Abortion is America's greatest tragedy that has led to the devaluing of human life, especially young life, in this country. And then some wonder why teenagers are throwing their babies into garbage cans like yesterdays trash. :(

Too bad you didn't say this instead penny: "I'd rather not have to care for some welfare idiots baby, thank you very much."
Instead you want: "I like paying for those nimrods to have more kids that they won't take care of! I want to pay more more more! I just can't wait. Stick it to me Uncle Sugar. Oh yeahhhhh!" http://www.geocities.com/sbp7777/files/wink2.gif

Hopefully you've noticed the economy has already slowed down over the past few months.

You forgot to mention Gore has a great handle on the internet also. After all he invented it. Bwahaahaa! http://www.geocities.com/sbp7777/happy2.gif

Bush is right. The American military shouldn't be the worlds policeman. First pennypinch wants America to be the worlds policeman. Then he asks why couldn't the military's budget be cut by a 1/3? Make up your damn mind pennypinch!

Reasons why to go for Bush:

-Bush will protect the right to own a gun. Gore is going to make it harder for law-abidding citizens to own a gun. Its the criminals stupid! Stop making life harder for law-abiding citizens and do something about the violent criminals who use guns.

-Gore's not going to do a damn thing about the ponzi scheme known as social security. Bush on the other hand will. People will be able to take a portion of the money they pay for the social security tax and invest it. Therefore having more money to retire on. We all know the social security system needs to be fixed. The sooner we start on fixing it the sooner it will be done. We shouldn't wait till the last moment and pretend everythings just fine with Social Security as Gore wants people to do.

-Gore's going to spend all the surplus and then some. Take a look at his economic plan on America that was released a few months ago. The last thing we need is more big intrusive government. We need to shrink that b*stard down baby! At least Bush will try to control the size of it.

This smackdown of pennypinch brought to by sbp. Thanks for reading. :)

[Edited by sbp on 10-25-2000 at 02:32 PM]

[pennypinch]

Whoo-ee, I bet you musta felt pretty good after writing that one, huh...:rolleyes:

I don't have time to write any sort of comprehensive manifesto, so I'll just deal with this by point:

-If the Rand report is politically motivated, who would it be motivated by? Conservatives? Gee, that's funny, strange strategy to use considering Bush's their man. In that case, you by default accuse the Democrats (who you generally characterize as liberals...not especially incorrect) of generating such a report. I ask you again: do you really think the Rand Coporation, which writes and publishes these reports, has gained national credibility by succumbing to pressure from Democrat forces? If so, wouldn't that mean there are entities within the corporation that side with the Democrats, therefore confirming certain liberal leanings?

-Apparently you'd believe that (and this is of course a polarization of the question) if Clinton murdered somebody, so long as Bush didn't murder someone, he's a swell guy. C'mon...

-Aside from the overriding religious issues associated with abortion, I'd like you to present to me conclusive evidence of what you've just said. You can't, just as I can't present to you evidence that abortion is "good". It just doesn't exist because it's a moral question; I, for one, have no problem with abortion. Apparently, you do. You'll not convince me otherwise, just as I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but leave it to you to attribute the country's complicated problems on a single issue. It'd be pretty neato if by outlawing abortion, we'd do away with every homeless child or deadbeat dad, huh? Don't make me vomit...
By the way, the CDA stands for the Communications Decency Act. You should check it out; apparently, Gore thinks because he owns/invented the Internet, he can say what goes on it. I'm not especially concerned about that because free speech seems to be the one thing that unites people in this country, and any attempt to try and legislate something like that would be mighty unpopular. That, and the money from Hollywood'll probably "convince" him otherwise...:)

-Foreign policy involves a little more than the military. I simply assume you're the type of person that would rather beat the shit out of some guy instead of taking him to court? Actually, me too. :)

-How many people own guns that are truly at risk? Those are people in high-crime neighborhoods i.e., inner cities. How many fend off criminals with guns? The percentage has to be miniscule. I know there's some statistic that says how much more likely you are to shoot one of your family than a criminal, but I'm sure you'll attribute that to the Democrat propaganda machine. :rolleyes: This myth of protection is massively out of touch with reality. Frankly, I couldn't care less, I don't own a gun, don't plan to. The whole debate smacks of a bunch of idiots clinging to some antiquated law, like you can't wash a moose within 20 miles of the city limits, or a prohibition of spitting on the street...

-Hell, I say do away with social security altogether.

-If you really think this surplus will really exist, then you're more warped than I thought. They're both spending an imaginary revenue stream.

Smackdown? Don't flatter yourself.

[Edited by pennypinch on 10-25-2000 at 03:26 PM]

[renots]

...as they will both reappoint everyone's favorite financial god, ol' MC AL G

[renots]

who gives whack what RAND sez anyways; I'm tired of their games

[renots]

abortion is't goin to get fucked with, so stop bringing it up; if it really bothers U Go ADOPT

[renots]

make up your damn mind; I'm begin' to wonder if your putting socks in your pants or not, because Gore is the last guy to support most of the things you expouse

Bush ain't going to be getting to much bipartisan support for extreme right policies like a federal ban on abortion so there is absolutely no chance it's going to happen. the demos are playing politics when with the a issue, unless they mean to imply that they are willing to flipflop[not so inconceivable] on one of their major planks. what do U think:rolleyes:?

the only thing that would possibly change my mind on MC AL G, the presidential candidate, would be if he came out STRONGLY for civil liberties and renounced the extension of federal snoopyness.

bUt PiGs will fly out my aSS before we see that happen

;0)

[sbp]

I never said the Rand report was politically motivated or generated by the Democrats. The release and triumphing of its findings are politically motivated since the report has been around for months. Ever hear of the October surprise my man?

"-Apparently you'd believe that (and this is of course a polarization of the question) if Clinton murdered somebody, so long as Bush didn't murder someone, he's a swell guy. C'mon..." Nope. But what your saying is sort of like how people naively believed Bush was a coke user even though no one ever saw him use the stuff. There is evidence however Clinton is a rapist. Juanita Broderick anyone?

Agree. I won't change your views on abortion and you won't change mine.

{passes the pan to penny just in case} http://www.geocities.com/sbp7777/files/wink2.gif

They are complicated problems and I don't believe that getting rid of frivolous abortions will do away with homeless children or deadbeat dads. Its a pipe dream to suggest these problems will ever be solved. What can be done is reduced the number of these tragedies by making people aware they are accountable for their own behaviour. That their ill-considered behaviour can affect other people and that they shouldn't expect others to continually bail them out time after time. So its about responsibility. People shouldn't be having children until they can provide for them. Men should be held accountable for the babies they make and not be deadbeat dads. People should use birthcontrol when having sex and not punish babies for their careless sexual conduct.

We live in a fluid society where people become rich every day and stop being rich every day. People stop being homeless every day and become homeless every day. Thats the way it goes man.

Hunting, collecting and target shooting are all good reasons to own a gun. My soul brother took his wife who came to America from the Philippines a few months ago target shooting for the first time in her life. She was thrilled by that experience.

Thousands of times each year guns are used to protect people and stop crimes. Remember a person doesn't have to actually use a gun to protect themselves but rather can branish it to deter the criminal.

What liberals love to do is include suicides in statistics thereby inflating the statistics greatly. No doubt suicides are tragedies but they shouldn't be blamed on the item used to commit the suicide.

Okay so you don't want to own a gun penny. Other responsible people do. They shouldn't be prevented from owning a gun and shouldn't be hassled about owning a gun. Liberals shouldn't be passing unconstitutional laws and using the judical system to strip people of their rights.

And if the 2nd amendment is an antiquated law in your view then amend the US Constitution and get rid of the 2nd amendment. You should also consider the 1st amendment antiquated then. Get rid of that too while your at it. Hell get rid of the whole damn document. We don't need any rights after all the government is so trustworthy and will protect us. But who will protect us from the government? :hmm: pennypinch will! :laugh:

Agreed on the imaginary surplus.

renots said: "abortion is't goin to get fucked with, so stop bringing it up; if it really bothers U Go ADOPT" I had two cousins who were adopted and you couldn't ask for better parents then they had/have. U take up the problem of irresponsible sexual behavior with people.

Most Republicans pay lip service to ending abortion since they don't really want to rock the boat. Its just a matter of time before Roe Vs. Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court as it should be. The Supreme Court created this mess and it should fix this mess it made. Blackmun, Marshall, Brennan and company bent over and pulled the right to abortion out from their stank asses. Its sad some liberals can find a right to abortion which isn't in the Constitution but not the right to own a gun which is in the Constitution. There is one firm way to end the legal debate about abortion and that is pass an abortion Amendment to the Constitution.

[sbp]

I agree renots. Bush is closer to pennypinch's views yet pennypinch wants Gore to win so 4 years later McCain might become president. pennypinch really needs to take some reality pills with that unlikely scenario he's stated before in other threads. :rolleyes:

[renots]

...could fill s website (http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=folder&title=Al+Gore%3A+Hypocritical+Stoner+From+Hell)

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by renots
make up your damn mind; I'm begin' to wonder if your putting socks in your pants or not, because Gore is the last guy to support most of the things you expouse

Like what? Gun control? Abortion rights? Not fucking women other than your wife? All sound like things the Gore platform is pretty adamant about. I have no idea what you're reading into my posts...

[The Happy Squirrel]

Personally I dont like either Bush or Gore, and will nt vote for either. Not completly sure whos getting my mark. I am going to have a hard time voting for Nader also. As Liberman, hes got some unresolved issues with the vices in his head that he needs to take care of before he evens tries to be VP. Thats a sure bust if he gets in.

[renots]

Originally posted by pennypinch

Originally posted by renots
make up your damn mind; I'm begin' to wonder if your putting socks in your pants or not, because Gore is the last guy to support most of the things you expouse

Like what? Gun control? Abortion rights? Not fucking women other than your wife? All sound like things the Gore platform is pretty adamant about. I have no idea what you're reading into my posts...

Let's see, southern democrats are traditionally the party of segregation and slavery. Al's uncle is a racist and an environmental rapist; yet Al still takes lotsa of advice from the old codge. Al sez he's there for the oppressed, yet he hasn't said a word as his good buddy Bill has presided over the greatest increase in federal incarceration EVER; do you think he really realizes why the unemployment figures for african-americans has gone down the last eight years? I don't think he particularily cares, and if you think 4 more years of janet R is a good idea, I've got an iron-clad lockbox I'd like to sell U.

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by renots

Originally posted by pennypinch

Originally posted by renots
make up your damn mind; I'm begin' to wonder if your putting socks in your pants or not, because Gore is the last guy to support most of the things you expouse

Like what? Gun control? Abortion rights? Not fucking women other than your wife? All sound like things the Gore platform is pretty adamant about. I have no idea what you're reading into my posts...

Let's see, southern democrats are traditionally the party of segregation and slavery. Al's uncle is a racist and an environmental rapist; yet Al still takes lotsa of advice from the old codge. Al sez he's there for the oppressed, yet he hasn't said a word as his good buddy Bill has presided over the greatest increase in federal incarceration EVER; do you think he really realizes why the unemployment figures for african-americans has gone down the last eight years? I don't think he particularily cares, and if you think 4 more years of janet R is a good idea, I've got an iron-clad lockbox I'd like to sell U.

None of which I "espoused".

Taking under advisement is clearly different from being.

Are you going to argue that the decrease in African-american unemployment is due solely to increased incarceration? Of course not. Further, I always get the feeling you're less saying that blacks are unfairly singled out and more that EVERYONE's getting singled out. I'll be the first to support increased and more just enforcement against whites. But I will not sit here and advocate a loosening of laws for the sake of cutting numbers! It is precisely the relaxation of laws that allow criminals to shrug off sentences that basically offer them state-provided living, along with the odd sodomization as a treat. :)

[renots]

what really gets my goat is that the present system exists because certain groups blindly vote along party lines, regardless of whether or not the party they are blindly voting for represent their interest or not. Gore's platform is little more than republican redux, and a ground beef version at that. NOT GOOD, especially if it means letting republicans control congress. A republican president on the other hand would most likely be balanced off by a democratic congress, if the recent past is any indication. this is most likely the most sane scenario, and will be a welcome relief from the Let's play Monkey BS of the last 8 years.

;0)

[renots]

"It's so pathetic," Nader told NewsForChange. "He's trying to salvage his campaign, which is sinking in the quicksand of a credibility crisis. People ... have seen through him on TV. It's like he has marbles in his mouth. They don't believe him, and they're right. He's proved in eight years of his record that we shouldn't believe him."

[renots]

not that gnomey is any better (http://www.dailyinstigator.com/archive/bushGoreDrugs.html)

Al G is, though, as disinfo.com put it so well, "A Hypocritical Stoner From Hell"