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SnowSurfer
06-11-2006, 04:41 AM
I do, this article is proposing a huge buy and return spree on july 1st to show that people hate drm and need to stand up for what we believe in

http://blog.lobby4linux.com/index.php?/archives/74-DRM-Is-It-Worth-Going-To-Jail-For.html


It seems we have an ally in the fight against DRM and Trusted computing. That is not the good part. The part that is good lies within the fact that he is a member of "The Recording Industry." Yes, an executive within a large media production company has decided to talk to us. Since we have a definitive safe harbor as bloggers, I feel comfortable in bringing this information forward now.

There is much talk about "us" within their circles. "They" not only fear us, they don't know what to do about us. Us being those who can, within minutes, render useless the copyright protection they spent millions developing. The RIAA in particular has developed their own "hit squad" to develop and deploy the means to infiltrate and prosecute those that would hinder their work. It has been reported to me that at this very moment, there are snitches being paid to sqirm their way into the different hacking organizations and report back what they find. A large number of snitches.

For those who are uninformed, let me clarify something for you. Do you believe as you have been led...that this crusade the RIAA is on is to collect money for the artists? Not one dime goes to the artist. The RIAA is in boiled-down terms, an organization formed to "protect" the artists interests. The RIAA is skimming from the artists millions of dollars...they are in my opinion simply extortionists. They may provide us with a less hostile term, I am sure. They couldn't care less about the artist as long as they get their "cut". They pursue "pirates" to protect their interests, not the artists interests.

The "work" being done by the RIAA and MPAA is making sure every note of music, every frame of film is locked down so as to deny copying of any sort. They seek to destroy the "fair use clause" in the DMCA. See, initally trusted computing was not meant to be a means in which to fortify or help Digital Rights Management. As it turns out, that is the main focus of Trusted Computing now. Microsoft has strong-armed Intel and other hardware manufacturers into manufacturing the components that will insure Digital Rights Management works on all platforms.

Do you believe the stunning announcement that Macs will now run Windows on their machines is a coincidence? You might want to look and see what kind of chip those boards are coming with. Whaddaya want to bet they are the viiv or Trusted Computing Modules?

Digital Rights Management will be one of the largest infringements upon our basic freedoms in our lifetime. Our children will mature in the shadow of this poison.

In lamenting the seemingly dire future for FOSS to our new friend, he informed me that not all is lost. There are many ways we can defend ourselves and even beat this menace, however; he did mention something important. It is a warning that needs to be spread to the community.

The RIAA and the MPAA are well insulated against us. There is no actual way we have to get to them, except through the court system, and either entity has enough money to outlast any individual in the court system. The frustrating part of fighting this DRM/TC nightmare is the inaccessability of either organization. However, there is a way to get to them, in a way. Unfortunately it may be illegal to do so. Under no circumstances should this be done.

The only people who can influence either group are the retailers that carry the DRM'ed dvd's and cd's. If by chance, millions of people were to, on the same day and within the same three hour period, purchase a number of DRM'ed disks, then walk out the door then back in and return the merchandise, it would cause havoc in the retail world for that day.

In fact, the disruption would be historic. Of course, this cannot and should not be done because doing so may be illegal. Writing a blog that seemingly instructs anyone to do this would be considered a crime punishable under the RICO act, a federal offense. No one under any circumstances should give such instructions. This sort of civil disobedience could completely shut down networks and throw the retailers into complete chaos...if enough people were to do it, let's say on a Saturday between the hours of 11 am and 2 pm.

It would be terrible.

So, let me be perfectly clear so that no one attempts to do this. No one, under any circumstance should purchase music or movie disks on a given day just to return them, especially a day of retail importance. Retailers have certain days in the year where they are particularly stressed. One of those days is approaching, the 4th of July.

It would be terrible if those millions of disgruntled shoppers were to purchase their cd's or movies and, on their way back to their cars, discover that the cd or dvd had DRM on it. Anyone who realized what DRM is, would immediately return the merchandise. Doing so on the weekend prior to the fourth would be disasterous if enough people did it.

I feel it is my duty as a FOSS advocate to warn any one against such a protest. While not affecting the RIAA or MPAA directly, it would surely make the news and bring the matter to the attention of the public.

Do the right thing here. We wouldn't for a moment advocate anyone breaking the law. However, we do think you should be able to spot a drm'ed cd. It will have something like this on the back. Should you spot something like this on the back of your newly purchased CD or DVD, you should return it immediately...and make sure to tell them why. There may be others in the return line that appreciate your candor.

redcolours
06-11-2006, 11:51 AM
DRM is dumb, but the average consumer is dumber.

dumber in the sense that they dont know much about it, and really could care less about it, if they can play the CD with any one of their CD players. If they cant play the CD anywhere else but their regular CD player, they would be annoyed but they still wouldnt care, since they know it plays. Thats all they care about.
if they cant rip it themselves, they'll go and buy it online in some online music store. Or get one of those downloaders and simply download it. Yes, thats illegal, but people do it anyway, and theyre not going to be stopped. they know there is someone out there able to rip it for them, and all they have to do is simply do a search and download it.
they could care less about DRM and what it stands for, as long as they can play the CD (or have teh means of downloading it from whichever source). Only if the CD doesnt play at all anywhere, then thats the only reason they'll return a DRM'ed CD or DVD.
that mass buy-and-return will never work, sad to say, due to the nature of the consumer.

zero2dash
06-12-2006, 07:06 AM
This blogger sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic. :nuts:


The "work" being done by the RIAA and MPAA is making sure every note of music, every frame of film is locked down so as to deny copying of any sort. They seek to destroy the "fair use clause" in the DMCA. See, initally trusted computing was not meant to be a means in which to fortify or help Digital Rights Management. As it turns out, that is the main focus of Trusted Computing now. Microsoft has strong-armed Intel and other hardware manufacturers into manufacturing the components that will insure Digital Rights Management works on all platforms.

Do you believe the stunning announcement that Macs will now run Windows on their machines is a coincidence? You might want to look and see what kind of chip those boards are coming with. Whaddaya want to bet they are the viiv or Trusted Computing Modules?

1) Apple doesn't have DRM on their equipment and I can assure you of this. iPod is Apple's #1 business model, which is a friggin' MP3 player. Now, Apple may limit you (minimally) in iTunes by how many CDs you can burn of a downloaded track (or so I've heard) and they may limit how many users you "share" your library with (through iTunes) but otherwise, there is no evidence that Apple has ever put DRM hardware in their computers or other hardware (ie iPod).

2) Macs running Windows doesn't mean jack. Macs running Windows means that they're running another piece of software on the same hardware that (see point 1 above) has already been shown to be devoid of DRM hardware. You can't correlate "DRM" and "software" because software can be cracked and/or DRM measures can be omitted (ie not installed) in software so the DRM is never in place. Even further than that, just because DRM is put in place via hardware doesn't mean squat either because hardware can also be emulated or bypassed completely (see also: OSX86 running on regular PC hardware without TPM chips).

3) Apple uses TPM chips (Trusted Platform Module, which is probably what this blogger meant when he said "Trusted Computing Modules") and they have nothing to do with DRM. TPM chips were put in place to keep people from running their OS on non-Apple hardware. Is that a crime? Hell no it isn't; they're protecting their intellectual property. TPM was eventually cracked when enough people wanted to run OSX on standard PC hardware (see also: OSX86). Apple then used EFI in their Intel machines as a replacement to TPM to keep OSX86 off regular PC hardware; eventually EFI was also cracked. Point being: TPM and EFI have nothing to do with DRM.


Digital Rights Management will be one of the largest infringements upon our basic freedoms in our lifetime. Our children will mature in the shadow of this poison.

Pirates and hackers will always prevail. Hasn't this been proven enough already in our time? :heh: The MPAA claimed victory over the Pirate Bay shutdown a little over a week ago; TPB "sailed again" (pun intended) within 4 days. 4 guys who probably eat Cheetos and beer for breakfast beat a billion dollar industry with thousands of employees. Need I say more?


The RIAA and the MPAA are well insulated against us. There is no actual way we have to get to them, except through the court system, and either entity has enough money to outlast any individual in the court system. The frustrating part of fighting this DRM/TC nightmare is the inaccessability of either organization. However, there is a way to get to them, in a way. Unfortunately it may be illegal to do so. Under no circumstances should this be done.

False. The act of downloading music has gotten their attention, hasn't it?


The only people who can influence either group are the retailers that carry the DRM'ed dvd's and cd's. If by chance, millions of people were to, on the same day and within the same three hour period, purchase a number of DRM'ed disks, then walk out the door then back in and return the merchandise, it would cause havoc in the retail world for that day.

No, you'd just piss off a whole lot of store workers and probably end up in the middle of a riot or a shooting, depending upon how pissed off said customer service clerks were that day.


In fact, the disruption would be historic. Of course, this cannot and should not be done because doing so may be illegal. Writing a blog that seemingly instructs anyone to do this would be considered a crime punishable under the RICO act, a federal offense. No one under any circumstances should give such instructions. This sort of civil disobedience could completely shut down networks and throw the retailers into complete chaos...if enough people were to do it, let's say on a Saturday between the hours of 11 am and 2 pm.

It would be terrible.

So, let me be perfectly clear so that no one attempts to do this. No one, under any circumstance should purchase music or movie disks on a given day just to return them, especially a day of retail importance. Retailers have certain days in the year where they are particularly stressed. One of those days is approaching, the 4th of July.

:stupid:
No, don't give the instructions and don't do it. But if you really wanted to, here's the day to do it. :rolleyes:

1) This tactic has been tried and proven to cause nothing. How many emails have you seen over the last two to three years that said "no one buy gas on Wednesday! we'll show those oil companies not to f with us! we're Americans!" and the majority of people don't care about it/don't follow it, and the ones that do don't gain anything or make any impact whatsoever; it's pointless.

2) No one's going to take time away from their families on a national holiday where they're (most likely) barbecuing and spending some time in the pool or in general chit-chat with relatives...just for some blind cause that isn't necessary.


It would be terrible if those millions of disgruntled shoppers were to purchase their cd's or movies and, on their way back to their cars, discover that the cd or dvd had DRM on it. Anyone who realized what DRM is, would immediately return the merchandise. Doing so on the weekend prior to the fourth would be disasterous if enough people did it.

If you don't agree with DRM then don't purchase those products; don't purchase any products. Only download stuff, or buy the product used and cheap if you really want it.


I feel it is my duty as a FOSS advocate to warn any one against such a protest. While not affecting the RIAA or MPAA directly, it would surely make the news and bring the matter to the attention of the public.

Do the right thing here. We wouldn't for a moment advocate anyone breaking the law. However, we do think you should be able to spot a drm'ed cd. It will have something like this on the back. Should you spot something like this on the back of your newly purchased CD or DVD, you should return it immediately...and make sure to tell them why. There may be others in the return line that appreciate your candor.

Once again: :nuts:
Do I think they should label products that contain DRM? Absolutely. But since software (ie in this case, CDs or DVDs) can be cracked (and usually are cracked, easily), it's not that big of a deal to me. The MPAA/RIAA wonder why more people download music or movies and less people buy them; well, it's like "takin' it to the streets". People are standing up for their rights and saying "enough". I think the art of downloading is making a larger impact on a global scale than a "buy and return" day ever would.

IMO - DRM is one of those things that I :disa: shake my head at, but at the same time - it doesn't affect me because I don't purchase those products; simple enough. If you're fed up with the RIAA, get an iTunes account and purchase your music there instead of a retail store. :shrug: