We got us a new fence!

[Showtime]

im surprised no one posted this. i keep picturing an old run down fence with holes large enough for trucks to drive through....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/border.fence/index.html

[zippyjuan]

Actually we have a pile of papers. As the last sentence of the first paregraph says, no money has been approved to build it yet. San Diego has a fence and illegal immigration is still up. At this point, the fence is good only as an election tool to show they are tough on immigration. Nothing is really changed yet.

[MikeD]

It should have either razor wire or be an electric fence. Put some meat behind this thing...

[Burzhui]

It should have either razor wire or be an electric fence. Put some meat behind this thing...

it shoyuld also have bees, no dogs that when they bark they shoot bees at you :)

[ryan_self]

it shoyuld also have bees, no dogs that when they bark they shoot bees at you :)

Nice reference. :cheers:

I thought this was going to be a post about how we found a new person to help us sell our stolen goods.

[Markel]

What I couldn't believe were some comments I heard by some bleeding-heart: "The fence will force people to desert areas that will endanger their lives." Did the goon ever think to say, "The fence will make it harder for people to enter our country illegally!"?

[Napoleon54]

Why doesn't Mexico build a fence to keep their people in?

[ryan_self]

Why doesn't Mexico build a fence to keep their people in?

Because they don't want 'em either

[MikeD]

Why doesn't Mexico build a fence to keep their people in?

:heh:

Funny guy.

Because their economy would collapse if they did so.

[Houdini]

Yep, it would.

But to blame building a fence on the deaths of those who decide to break US law and wander through the desert seems kinda rediculous. If you're against illegal immigration, good for you. If you're for illegal immigration, good for you. I'm typically against illegal stuff, unless I see a good, compelling reason for legality or a flaw in the law. Border laws are enforced across Europe, for instance, and nobody complains. Every try to go to, or better yet, through Swizerland? You'll be interrogated and be looking at a casually-held MP5 variant when you're not even leaving the train. I'd just like to see a solution, whether it be a fence or other measure, that allows the "fence" to have a large yet controlled "gate" to allow opportunities to come here legally.

[zippyjuan]

Europe pretty much got rid of most of their internal checkpoints. You can go from one country to tne next without encountering any now. You will still be checked if you are coming in from outside Europe. We still need labor from Central and South America so they do not want to actually stop 100% of people from crossing.

[renovation]

Here is how I see this fence being put up the 700 miles-Halliburton (Dick Cheney VP) supplying the fence and posts. Then 1000 illegal Mexicans used to install it because american workers dont do this type of manual work anymore. :)

[eSDee]

Because they don't want 'em either

Can we deport you then?

[MikeD]

Can we deport you then?


It's clear many should be ashamed of themselves.

:disa:

[eSDee]

Wow. You got me :rolleyes:

[PiedPiper]

Can we deport you then?
Somebody needs to check Mr. Loco's Citizen Papers.


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[eSDee]

Somebody needs to check Mr. Loco's Citizen Papers.

:hihi: nice try troll.

I'm gonna step out of this thread for good because whenever this topic comes up there are those who cannot enter a logical debate about the issue, but rather fall back to their stereotypical view and racial bias. The only way to solve this issue is to discuss rationally both sides of the issue. I have repeatedly stated I am not opposed to fortifying the border but only if other more proactive steps are taken towards addressing the real problem, which would begin by creating a good relationship with our neighbor to the south. However, it's clear that many are not mature enough to discuss it intelligently so I'll look elsewhere for rational and productive debate. But I'll just say this one thing. Since an impenetrable border is not possible, building a fence is nothing more than putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

[Got Apex Moderator]

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[InfiniteNothing]

Somebody needs to check Mr. Loco's Citizen Papers.

eSDe is former military. :disa: Show him some respect.

[Airencracken]

It was fairly obvious the direction this thread was going to go once you read the title. "We got us", :disa:

[starkiis]

Why doesn't Mexico build a fence to keep their people in?
Why would they

[starkiis]

Why doesn't Mexico build a fence to keep their people in?
Because they don't care.

[MikeD]

Somebody needs to check Mr. Loco's Citizen Papers.

Not cool. Two wrongs don't make a right...

[Got Apex Moderator]

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[Napoleon54]

eSDe is former military. :disa: Show him some respect.

Everyone deserves respect, military or non-military is moot IMHO. Unless you say stupid things like Mr.Piper.

[InfiniteNothing]

I agree. I only brought that up because I thought it was especcially relevant in the context of questioning someones citizenship.

[Houdini]

Europe pretty much got rid of most of their internal checkpoints. You can go from one country to tne next without encountering any now. You will still be checked if you are coming in from outside Europe. We still need labor from Central and South America so they do not want to actually stop 100% of people from crossing.

True, but the Swiss thing is still true. And if I remember correctly, coming from the UK to any EU nations had similar passport rules. But Switzerland still checks everyone's passports, asks you lots of questions, etc.

As much as people keep playing the race card on this one, I don't find it relevant at all. It's the illegal part that I care about. Plenty of people are in line to get here legally. And they can. We're pretty good about accepting foreigners, as we mostly were at one time. But I do support preventing people from other countries from illegally sneaking into this country. I don't give a damn about anyone's race. Never have.

[zippyjuan]

If race is not an issue, then why no talk of any fence on the Canadian border? If the issue is national security, most of the terrorists who did not use normal entries (US airports) came through Canada. Figures for 1996 put Canada as the fourth most likely place for an illegal alien to be from.
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/illegalalien/
I do not mean to imply that race is part of the issue for you. It does seem to be an issue for some people since Mexicans and Latin Americans are most often held up as the examples of illegal immigrants. . It has been speculated that so many come illegally because it is so hard to get here legally- that it takes too long for the process. Many here classed as illegal came on valid visas but overstayed them.

[Napoleon54]

If race is not an issue, then why no talk of any fence on the Canadian border?

I live in Buffalo, which means I work with and have gone to school with Canadians for whom crossing the border is part of the daily commute, and I occasionally cross the border just to have dinner. I've only had my trunk opened once or twice and sometimes they don't even ask for ID. The Canadian border just isn't seen as being as great of a liability as the Mexican one.

Economic and social conditions in Canada don't promote the floods of illegal immigrants that we see from Mexico. And terrorists? A fence probably wouldn't have helped prevent that either 'cause they probably drove through a regular old border checkpoint like everyone else. I doubt they made a mad dash through the woods or swam across a river.

Thus I think the only response you'd get to the suggestion of erecting a fence along the Canadian border in order to keep the Canadians from entering illegally would be laughter. That sounds like something that would be said in jest, tongue in cheek.

[Houdini]

I still don't believe race is an issue. If Canadians were pouring into this country by the thousands illegally, I'm sure we would make an effort to stop them. There are ways of entering the country LEGALLY.

[InfiniteNothing]

There's no check box for "poor" on the imigration form :)

[Houdini]

There's no check box for "poor" on the imigration form :)

Heh...true. Race =/= financial situation.

H <---runs from all the Canadians, eh? eh?

[Jihforce]

The issue is definitely not racial. It is more of an economic issue than anything. You don't have that issue with Canada because Canadians don't need to cross the border since the standard of living there is comparable to that of the US. Poor people running from a poor situation pretty much.