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Napoleon54
11-01-2006, 09:57 PM
Many Americans Not 'Absolutely Certain' Of God

Americans are often thought of as people who believe in God.

But results of a new Harris Poll show that may be changing.

The poll found that 42 percent of all U.S. adults said they are not "absolutely certain" there is a God, including 15 percent who are "somewhat certain," 11 percent who think there is probably no God and 16 percent who are not sure.

Not everyone who described themselves as Christian or Jewish said that they believed in God. Only 76 percent of Protestants, 64 percent of Catholics, and 30 percent of Jews said they are "absolutely certain" there is a God. However, most Christians who described themselves as "born-again" (93 percent) said they are absolutely certain there is a God.

Differences Between Demographic Groups

Demographic groups that are more likely to say they are absolutely certain that there is a God include:

People in all age groups 40 and over compared to people in age groups under 40 Women (62 percent) slightly more than men (54 percent) Blacks (71 percent) compared to Hispanics (61 percent) and whites (57 percent) Republicans (73 percent) more than Democrats (54 percent) or Independents (51 percent) People with no college education (62 percent) or who have some college education (57 percent) compared to college graduates (50 percent) and those with post-graduate degrees (53 percent)

About 35 percent of all adults polled said that they attend religious services at least once a month, including 26 percent who said they attend every week or more often than that.

Nearly half of all adults polled (46 percent) said they attend services a few times a year or less frequently, while 18 percent said the never attend religious services.

Those who said they attend religious services once a month or more included 48 percent of Protestants, 46 percent of Catholics, and 12 percent of Jews. However, more than two-thirds (68 percent) of born-again Christians attend Church once a month or more.

Is God Male Or Female?

The public is almost equally divided between those who think of God as male (36 percent) and "neither male nor female" (37 percent), with 10 percent saying "both male and female." Only 1 percent thinks of God as a female.

Does God Have A Human Form?

Much of the public (41 percent) thinks of God as "a spirit or power that can take on human form but is not inherently human," according to the survey. But 27 percent think of God as a "spirit or power that does not take on human form," while 9 percent of adults think of God as being "like a human being with a face, body, arms, legs, eyes, etc."

Does God Control Events On Earth?

Only 29 percent of those polled said they believe God "controls what happens on Earth." Of those believers, 57 percent were born-again Christians. And 44 percent of respondents said they believe that God "observes but does not control what happens on Earth."

Do We Worship The Same God?

Poll results show that about 51 percent of all adults, including a majority of Catholics (63 percent), believe that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. One-third (32 percent) said they believe they do not and 16 percent are not sure. On this question, as on the others, the views of born-again Christians are different -- a 54 percent majority believes they do not worship the same God and only 34 percent believe they do.

Are Believers Declining?

Three years ago, in an identical survey, 79 percent of adults said they believed in God and 66 percent said they were absolutely certain that there is a God. In this new survey, those numbers declined to 73 percent and 58 percent respectively.

Why The Changes?

There are some important differences between telephone polling and those conducted online, as this survey was. Several surveys find that people are more likely to admit potentially embarrassing beliefs of behaviors when answering online surveys than to admit these behaviors when talking to an actual interviewer on the phone.

According to Harris, people are three times more likely to say that their sexual orientation is gay, lesbian or bi-sexual online than over the phone. Researchers called this unwillingness to give honest answers to some questions in telephone surveys a social desirability bias.

This distinction between online and telephone polls may explain why more people said they are not absolutely certain there is a God than have given similar replies in other surveys conducted by telephone.

The Harris Poll was conducted online by Harris Interactive between Oct. 4 and 10 with a nationwide sample of 2,010 U.S. adults.http://www.wsmv.com/family/10210202/detail.html

Napoleon54
11-02-2006, 07:31 AM
What I find most interesting is the differences between born again and non-born again Christians. I posit that this is because born agains have chosen to be Christians, whereas non-born agains often grew up with religion spoon fed to them as a routine and thus tend to care and think less about it.

Burzhui
11-02-2006, 07:59 AM
who can be absolutely sure that there is a god? no one, there is no physical proof.

Thesifer
11-02-2006, 08:16 AM
I am reading "God is a Delusion" right now... Seems interesting so Far.

Napoleon54
11-02-2006, 09:12 AM
who can be absolutely sure that there is a god? no one, there is no physical proof.

Some would say that the entire universe is proof because God made it.

Burzhui
11-02-2006, 09:32 AM
Some would say that the entire universe is proof because God made it.


feeble minds

Napoleon54
11-02-2006, 09:43 AM
feeble minds
Closed mind?




just playing the devil's advocate :halo:

ray
11-02-2006, 10:19 AM
i am god shamgod

mcs328
11-02-2006, 10:48 AM
So where's the poll? :P

WhiskeyPapa
11-02-2006, 10:56 AM
feeble mindsIf you believe everything was created from nothing by random chance, then your faith is greater than mine.

starkiis
11-02-2006, 11:38 AM
The poll is on the bottom

Do you believe there is a God?


Choice Votes Percentage of 29190 Votes
Yes, I'm absolutely certain. 20556 70%
I think so, but I'm not absolutely certain. 2372 8%
I am doubtful, but not certain there isn't. 2640 9%
No, I don't believe there is a God. 3622 12%

Airencracken
11-02-2006, 01:09 PM
If you believe everything was created from nothing by random chance, then your faith is greater than mine.

These all have the same root question. If god created the universe, what created god and so forth.

InfiniteNothing
11-02-2006, 01:20 PM
If you believe everything was created from nothing by random chance, then your faith is greater than mine.

Believing everything was created from nothing, isn't the same as being certain everything was cerated from nothing. It doesn't take any faith to be uncertain or to have a guess.

I believe the current big bang theory posits that the begining of the universe was a singularity. I believe it is impossible to extract information out of an uncertainty therefore, what created the singularity is impossible to discern. In other words, nothing was generated spontaneously, it all came from something, but what that something was or is doesn't effect anything now and is impossible to discover.

InfiniteNothing
11-02-2006, 01:21 PM
These all have the same root question. If god created the universe, what created god and so forth.
Isn't that beautiful. Religion doesn't fix the something from nothing problem.

Burzhui
11-02-2006, 04:50 PM
If you believe everything was created from nothing by random chance, then your faith is greater than mine.


well if you think so, then god is something right? what greated god?

Burzhui
11-02-2006, 04:51 PM
ahhh crap didn't see Airencracken's comment

zippyjuan
11-02-2006, 04:54 PM
That is why it is faith- it cannot be proven. Either everything came from nothing or at least something has always been. Neither can be proven by science so that requires faith. You can have faith in science and or in God.

InfiniteNothing
11-02-2006, 06:51 PM
Or you can simply be uncertain.

Napoleon54
11-06-2006, 12:02 AM
Another public poll statistic: 44% of Americans apparently believe that Jesus will return to Earth within the next 50 years.

I'm not going to post the entire article but here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15566391/site/newsweek

I believe the athiests and cynics among us may find the article entertaining, whereas the faithful may take it's tone to be a bit demeaning.

Thesifer
11-06-2006, 06:32 AM
Another public poll statistic: 44% of Americans apparently believe that Jesus will return to Earth within the next 50 years.

I'm not going to post the entire article but here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15566391/site/newsweek

I believe the athiests and cynics among us may find the article entertaining, whereas the faithful may take it's tone to be a bit demeaning.

That seems to be a reasonable amount. 42% are "Absolutely Certain" there is a god. So atleast those 42% believe they will be seeing Jesus return to earth. Add 2% for the others that believe they must believe that is going to happen otherwise they won't get into heaven but still have doubts that God exists.

44%.

InfiniteNothing
11-06-2006, 06:55 AM
Another public poll statistic: 44% of Americans apparently believe that Jesus will return to Earth within the next 50 years.

I'm not going to post the entire article but here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15566391/site/newsweek

I believe the athiests and cynics among us may find the article entertaining, whereas the faithful may take it's tone to be a bit demeaning.
How egotistical. World exists for n billion years and we assume it'll end on our time. I guess some people are trying to avoid facing death and need a little "opiate of the masses"

PiedPiper
11-06-2006, 06:56 AM
I don't agree that "belief there is a God" or "belief there isn't a God" are foolish, just because they are not provable. I don't think many theists attempt to prove God's existence deductively any more: Aristotle's unmoved mover and Descartes' cogito ergo sum are logically flawed. So with deductive proof out, we turn to inductive proof, such as attempting to prove the proposition "all ravens are black" by counting ravens. If we find one white one, we know that our proposition is false. Finding non-black non-ravens and black non-ravens are irrelevant. Find enough black ravens and you consider your proposition true by induction until further evidence suggests otherwise.

In the God case, the black ravens are unexplained miracles of nature, and to the believer they may convey corroboration of God's existence, and to the unbeliever they may not. So interpretation of the evidence is not as simple as counting black ravens.

I maintain that the theist believes the proposition "God exists" is true, and the atheist believes that that proposition is false. Neither side does (or can) make the claim that it's provable one way or the other. For the theist, belief transcends logic and sensory experience.

Thesifer
11-06-2006, 07:41 AM
I don't agree that "belief there is a God" or "belief there isn't a God" are foolish, just because they are not provable. I don't think many theists attempt to prove God's existence deductively any more: Aristotle's unmoved mover and Descartes' cogito ergo sum are logically flawed. So with deductive proof out, we turn to inductive proof, such as attempting to prove the proposition "all ravens are black" by counting ravens. If we find one white one, we know that our proposition is false. Finding non-black non-ravens and black non-ravens are irrelevant. Find enough black ravens and you consider your proposition true by induction until further evidence suggests otherwise.

In the God case, the black ravens are unexplained miracles of nature, and to the believer they may convey corroboration of God's existence, and to the unbeliever they may not. So interpretation of the evidence is not as simple as counting black ravens.

I maintain that the theist believes the proposition "God exists" is true, and the atheist believes that that proposition is false. Neither side does (or can) make the claim that it's provable one way or the other. For the theist, belief transcends logic and sensory experience.

Did I just spend 5 minutes reading you saying absolutely nothing? I mean, I believe most if not all of us understand the difference between a Theist and a Atheist. Most Atheist's that I know also understand why a Theist believes the way he does, he just doesn't go along with that reasoning.

Napoleon54
11-06-2006, 08:03 AM
I maintain that the theist believes the proposition "God exists" is true, and the atheist believes that that proposition is false. Neither side does (or can) make the claim that it's provable one way or the other. For the theist, belief transcends logic and sensory experience.

As an agnostic I think of God as something like Schrodinger's Cat. There's no way of proving the cat is alive or dead unless you open the box. In the case of God, opening the box would be what happens when you die. But there is another possibility: if God speaks to you in your mortal state that would be like hearing the cat mew from inside the box.

InfiniteNothing
11-06-2006, 08:57 AM
Tough in Schodinger's Cat, the cat is actually neither alive nor dead until you open the box.

Houdini
11-06-2006, 11:19 AM
Tough in Schodinger's Cat, the cat is actually neither alive nor dead until you open the box.

Or he's both. :)

Yossarian
11-07-2006, 11:35 AM
For this arguement, i think you should all read a book by Bertrand Russell, "Why I am Not a Christian". now before you go hating on it because of the title, just read it and think about the arguements he puts forth, very good reading.