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johnnymk
11-22-2006, 08:13 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Howard Stringer, you have a problem. Your company’s new video game system just isn’t that great.

The controller of Sony PlayStation 3 looks like earlier ones.
Ever since Mr. Stringer took the helm last year at Sony, the struggling if still formidable electronics giant, the world has been hearing about how the coming PlayStation 3 would save the company, or at least revitalize it. Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360, Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun.

Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise.

Measured in megaflops, gigabytes and other technical benchmarks, the PlayStation 3 is certainly the world’s most powerful game console. It falls far short, however, of providing the world’s most engaging overall entertainment experience. There is a big difference, and Sony seems to have confused one for the other.

The PS3, which was introduced in North America on Friday with a hefty $599 price tag for the top version, certainly delivers gorgeous graphics. But they are not discernibly prettier than the Xbox 360’s. More important, the whole PlayStation 3 system is surprisingly clunky to use and simply does not provide many basic functions that users have come to expect, especially online.

I have spent more than 30 hours using the PlayStation 3 over the last week or so and may have played more different games on the system — 13 — than probably anyone outside of Sony itself. Sony did not activate the PS3’s online service until just before the Friday debut. Over the weekend a clear sense of disappointment with the PlayStation 3 emerged from many gamers.

“What’s weird is that the PS3 was originally supposed to come out in the spring, and here it came out in the fall, and it still doesn’t feel finished,” Christopher Grant, managing editor of Joystiq, one of the world’s biggest video-game blogs, said on the telephone Saturday night. “It’s really not the all-star showing they should have had at launch. Sony is playing catch-up in a lot of ways now, not just in terms of sales but in terms of the basic functionality and usability of the system.”

Sadly for Sony, the best way to explain how the PlayStation 3 falls short is to explain how different it is to use than its main competition, Xbox 360. When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television. Keep in mind that one of Sony’s main selling points has been that the PS3 plays Blu-Ray high-definition movie discs. But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set.

Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the “wireless” controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend’s house, you’ll have to plug back in again. The 360’s wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.

If there is one thing one would expect Sony to get perfect, though, it would be music. Wrong. Sure, you can plug in your digital music player and the PS3 will play the tunes. But as soon as you go into a game, the music stops. By contrast, one of the things I’ve always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn’t seem too complicated, but the PS3 can’t do it.

In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. In the PS3’s online store (which feels like a slow Web page) you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you’ll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically.

The PS3’s whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing.

There are some high points. The multi-player battles in Resistance: Fall of Man are excellent. The arcade-style action in the downloadable Blast Factor is suitably frantic.

But the list of the PS3’s disappointments remains, from its undersupported voice chat to its maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. (In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard.) Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.

And so it is a bit of a shock to realize that on the video game front Microsoft and Sony are moving in exactly the opposite directions one might expect given their roots. Microsoft, the prototypical PC company, has made the Xbox 360 into a powerful but intuitive, welcoming, people-friendly system. Sony’s PlayStation 3, on the other hand, often feels like a brawny but somewhat recalcitrant specialized computer. (Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3’s deficiencies.) The thing is, if people want to use a computer, they’ll use a computer.

Through the decades of the Walkman and the Trinitron television, Sony was renowned as the global master of easy-to-use, seamlessly powerful consumer electronics. But recently Sony seems to have lost its way, first in digital music players, in which it ceded the ergonomic high ground to Apple’s iPod, and now in home-game consoles. For now Sony’s technologists seem to have won out over the people who study fun.

As a practical matter, given the limited quantities Sony has been able to manufacture, the PlayStation 3 will surely remain sold out throughout the holiday season. If you can’t find one, don’t fret. Sony still has a lot of work to do. As Mr. Grant of Joystiq put it: “Maybe in six months it’ll be finished. Maybe by next fall I’ll be able to do all the cool stuff. I’m still kind of waiting.”

ray
11-22-2006, 08:32 AM
But it has good graphics! [sarcasm]

I think Sony may have rushed their product just to get it out in time for the holiday season. Though they sold out all their initial units, even some of the biggest fanbois have complained about the same issues mentioned in the article.

I think one of the worst complaints is that the PS3 is having difficulties upscaling certain PS2 games. If Sony can't fix that issue with a firmware update, then they've got some serious problems ahead of them.

Grafalgar
11-22-2006, 08:01 PM
what do you mean by "upscaling" PS2 games?

Thesifer
11-22-2006, 08:46 PM
Of course they "Sold Out" That is going to happen regardless. With the fury of people knowing they can sell them on Ebay, and the fact that it's "Playstation" so people just go for it regardless of reviews. Until they release enough out there to know and enough reviews get written, it will continue to be sold out. The problem is that is a MAJOR issue for Sony. If they sell out of the consoles, and no one likes the games, it's going to be hard to sell more and more games. Therefore making their $250-300 per console LOSS a big issue for a company already on the brink.

On the other hand, the 360 has been around for a year, the online system works properly. They have games like Gears of War , and soon to be Halo 3.

On the other hand, there is the Wii. Nintendo is making a profit off every console they sell. People are giving it RAVE reviews. And it is also sold out wherever you go.

Two Winners - Nintendo and Microsoft.

ray
11-22-2006, 09:34 PM
what do you mean by "upscaling" PS2 games?

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745245p1.html

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html

gear02
11-22-2006, 10:09 PM
I have all 3 next gen consoles and I have to say the PS3 has the LEAST polish on it. The controller pairing crap is inexcusable. The fact that it lets us play PS2 games but not allow a single PS2 peripheral to connect to it is stupid (Sony, see Wii on how to do it).

But yeah, the PS3 is my least favorite console. I'd say it makes the Xbox 360 look brilliant and the Wii look great.

Of course, this might change if Sony gets a compelling exclusive title like Zelda for Wii and Gears of War for Xbox. No, Resistance does not cut it.

Thesifer
11-22-2006, 11:14 PM
Of course, this might change if Sony gets a compelling exclusive title like Zelda for Wii and Gears of War for Xbox. No, Resistance does not cut it.


They'll stick to a "Safe" exclusive title like "Final Fantasy"

gear02
11-23-2006, 06:30 AM
They'll stick to a "Safe" exclusive title like "Final Fantasy"

Is it me or is that Sony is getting less and less great exclusive titles?

They used to have Metal Gear, GTA, Final Fantasy, and other stuff. But now Metal Gear is multiplatorm, same with GTA. Final Fantasy is crossing platforms now as well...

Thesifer
11-23-2006, 10:48 AM
Is it me or is that Sony is getting less and less great exclusive titles?

They used to have Metal Gear, GTA, Final Fantasy, and other stuff. But now Metal Gear is multiplatorm, same with GTA. Final Fantasy is crossing platforms now as well...


Go figure. :) Maybe at the same time that they are having trouble paying the rent, they are also having trouble paying the exclusive fees :)

DarkFury
11-24-2006, 06:45 AM
With the fury of people knowing they can sell them on Ebay, and the fact that it's "Playstation" so people just go for it regardless of reviews.
Hey now.. I had NOTHING to do with that. :D :cool: :fro:

Thesifer
11-24-2006, 07:04 AM
Not the "DarkFury" just "fury" it's your little brother. He caused it all.

Prngr44
11-24-2006, 07:16 AM
I don't really think it's in a company's interest to NOT sell their games across platforms unless the exclusive deal is insanely lucrative. It just isn't good business sense if your goal is to sell as many copies of your software as possible and you choose to alienate 2 other usergroups on different platforms.

gear02
11-24-2006, 07:19 AM
I don't really think it's in a company's interest to NOT sell their games across platforms unless the exclusive deal is insanely lucrative. It just isn't good business sense if your goal is to sell as many copies of your software as possible and you choose to alienate 2 other usergroups on different platforms.

I definitely agree, but on the flip side it's to the best interest of the console maker to get exclusives. The issue is positioning and partnerships. MS bought a bunch of studios and Nintendo has great inhouse capability. Sony on the other hand alienates developers and has not gotten any inhouse capability.

Thesifer
11-24-2006, 01:32 PM
I definitely agree, but on the flip side it's to the best interest of the console maker to get exclusives. The issue is positioning and partnerships. MS bought a bunch of studios and Nintendo has great inhouse capability. Sony on the other hand alienates developers and has not gotten any inhouse capability.


Yeah, Doesn't Microsoft like Own Bungie now? I could swear they do.

ray
11-24-2006, 01:43 PM
Sony on the other hand alienates developers and has not gotten any inhouse capability.

I'm pretty sure Grafalgar codes video games and such and I think he once mentioned he had been working on a few games for Sony. Maybe Grafalgar has his own opinion to share?

TofuNinja
11-24-2006, 05:41 PM
Maybe the fact that Graf is ga ga over his Wii is his opinion ;)

ray
11-25-2006, 03:11 PM
More bad news for PS3 owners. Sony has retracted their statement that the unplayable PS2 titles can be fixed via firmware patch. They hope to have a real response to customers soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/25/sony-retracts-1080i-fix-statement-leaving-customers-in-lurch/

Thesifer
11-25-2006, 09:35 PM
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal recently, Square Enix senior VP Michihiro Sasaki said that the company plans to support Sony's PS3. Take a look at his odd quote below:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," he said. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6968

ArkiStan
11-26-2006, 12:24 AM
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal recently, Square Enix senior VP Michihiro Sasaki said that the company plans to support Sony's PS3. Take a look at his odd quote below:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," he said. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6968

probably cause they're crossing platforms now?

Thesifer
11-26-2006, 01:17 AM
probably cause they're crossing platforms now?


Too bad for Sony. Really. If Final Fantasy ends up leaving PS3 they would have some problems.

gear02
11-26-2006, 06:54 AM
Yeah, Doesn't Microsoft like Own Bungie now? I could swear they do.

Yeah they do. They also own Rare and Ensemble (Age of Empires fame). They also publish for many top developers including Epic (Gears of War) and Big Huge Games (Rise of Nations).

Sony America on the other hand owns these studios:


* Incognito Entertainment – Twisted Metal: Black
* Naughty Dog – Jak series
* SCE Bend Studio (formerly Eidetic) – Syphon Filter series
* SCE Foster City Studio (includes 989 Studios) – Rise to Honor
* SCE San Diego Studio (includes 989 Sports) – The Mark of Kri, NBA '07, MLB '07
* SCE Santa Monica Studio – God of War, Kinetica
* Sony Online Entertainment LLC. – EverQuest
* Zipper Interactive – SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs series


Yuck...

Like it or not, studios flock to Microsoft because they get a lot of help and support to make their lives easier.

Sony has had a reputation of making games extremely hard to program for Playstation 2 and 3.

thresher
11-26-2006, 06:26 PM
Now that PS3 has launched I can tell you what I have been up to with a couple of ex Gamestop directors. We were doing a few in-house consults with Sony NA pre-launch about controllers and online functionality. They knew 8 mos ago that they were in trouble and had considered delaying the launch until Summer '07 but Sony JA insisted they launch Christmas. Only a couple of titles look decent enough down the pipeline with my favorite being ATF OffRoad Fury V. Shhh, that title doesn't exist yet. ;)

Thesifer
11-26-2006, 07:22 PM
Now that PS3 has launched I can tell you what I have been up to with a couple of ex Gamestop directors. We were doing a few in-house consults with Sony NA pre-launch about controllers and online functionality. They knew 8 mos ago that they were in trouble and had considered delaying the launch until Summer '07 but Sony JA insisted they launch Christmas. Only a couple of titles look decent enough down the pipeline with my favorite being ATF OffRoad Fury V. Shhh, that title doesn't exist yet. ;)


I can see that. I think Sony is going to have some major problems in their near future. Losing a large chunk of market share to Microsoft and Nintendo.

gear02
11-26-2006, 07:27 PM
I'll say that it makes a great DVD player :)

Yes, DVD. Not Bluray

But yeah, they should have really postponed to summer. It doesn't help that you could only make 250K of them. It doesn't help that your pipeline is dry until July anyway. It doesn't help that you have so many hardware issues. We're not talking just manufacturing defects, but rather ACTUAL HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE BUGS.

Really...you have to PLUG your WIRELESS controller in before it syncs? Geez!

Thesifer
11-26-2006, 07:38 PM
I'll say that it makes a great DVD player :)

Yes, DVD. Not Bluray

But yeah, they should have really postponed to summer. It doesn't help that you could only make 250K of them. It doesn't help that your pipeline is dry until July anyway. It doesn't help that you have so many hardware issues. We're not talking just manufacturing defects, but rather ACTUAL HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE BUGS.

Really...you have to PLUG your WIRELESS controller in before it syncs? Geez!

Yeah, And seeing as my TV is an older model HDTV from the Tube Era :) I assume it's probably one of the ones that the PS3 is having a lot of trouble with also.