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johnnymk
04-06-2007, 09:08 AM
I hope Splenda wins. However, I have been using it for a few years and it doesn't seem like it's helping me lose weight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/business/media/06sweet.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print

Sweetness is about to be the subject of a bitter courtroom fight.

In one corner is the artificial sweetener in the blue packet, Equal; in the other is its best-selling rival in the yellow packet, Splenda.

The maker of Equal contends that Splenda has been misleading millions of consumers by fostering the notion, through television and print advertising, that Splenda is made from sugar and is natural. Splenda’s maker counters that the process to make the sweetener does indeed start with sugar.

Next Monday, a lawsuit brought by the maker of Equal, Merisant, against Splenda’s maker, McNeil Nutritionals, is scheduled to go before a jury in Federal District Court in Philadelphia.

At stake is leadership of the fiercely competitive $1.5 billion artificial sweetener market. Equal had once dominated the market, finding its way into more than 6,000 consumer products like Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, the two biggest buyers of artificial sweeteners in the world.

But since Splenda was introduced in late 1999, Equal has steadily been elbowed aside and Splenda is now No. 1, with 62 percent of the market in the United States.

It is unusual for a dispute over advertising claims to go to a jury trial. The case centers on Splenda’s tagline “Made from sugar, so it tastes like sugar” — a claim that Equal mocks as an “urban myth” on its Web site.

While both sides are expected to present phalanxes of neurobiologists and chemists as expert witnesses, the dispute hinges on the role of language in creating and defining the product.

“The phrase ‘made from sugar’ may seem simple enough, but it has spawned an epic battle among the parties over proper diction and syntax,” the judge overseeing the case, Gene E. K. Pratter, wrote in an opinion last month.

“For example, McNeil claims that ‘made from sugar’ clearly excludes the interpretation that Splenda is sugar, or that Splenda is made with sugar,” she continued. “Made with sugar would mean that sugar is an ingredient listed on the package. Drawing upon an often effective rhetorical device, McNeil asks the question, how could a consumer interpret a product that is ‘made from sugar’ and ‘tastes like sugar’ as actually being sugar?”

Kevin L. Keller, a marketing professor at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth, said that the language at issue had “a legal perspective, a marketing perspective and a health perspective.”

“The challenge is how do you seek and find the truth in each of these different perspectives,” he said.

Merisant is seeking the disgorgement of at least $176 million in Splenda’s profits as well as court approval to force Splenda’s maker to revamp its advertising and marketing. The jury trial is expected to last two weeks.

Splenda’s core ingredient is a nonnutritive sweetener that does not grow in sugar fields or appear elsewhere naturally. Rather, the core ingredient, sucralose, is manufactured in laboratories as a synthetic compound. Despite its similar-sounding name, sucralose is not the same thing as sucrose, the technical name for pure table sugar.

Splenda’s maker McNeil, a unit of the Johnson & Johnson drug and consumer goods giant, has patented dozens of ways to manufacture sucralose. Some of them are based on sucrose. One is even based on raffinose, a sugar-relative found in beans, onions and broccoli. But others are based on nonsugars — a point that Equal’s maker, prowling through filed patents, has seized upon.

McNeil says that the process it uses to manufacture Splenda starts with sugar, pure and simple. To make sucralose, McNeil adds three chlorine atoms that are naturally found in foods like salt and lettuce to a molecule of sucrose. The sucrose disappears in the manufacturing process, but the result — sucralose — is 600 times as sweet as ordinary table sugar. Splenda then mixes two bulking agents, dextrose and maltodextrin, into the sucralose.

The chemistry is complex, and it may be baffling for a jury to hear about a process that starts out involving sugar but ends up lacking it.

Despite its use of sugar as the starting point for making sucralose, nowhere do the words “sugar” or “sucrose” appear on Splenda’s ingredient list. That is because under Food and Drug Administration regulations, it cannot list a substance that has vaporized during the manufacturing process.

In January 2005, in its answer to the lawsuit filed by Merisant that previous November, McNeil said that “the sweetening ingredient in Splenda is made by a multistep process that starts with cane sugar.” But it then added that “Splenda is an artificial sweetener that does not contain sugar” — presumably because the sugar disappears in the manufacturing process.

In papers that were filed with the court and sealed — but were then cited by the judge in her opinion last month — McNeil acknowledged that “unaltered sugar/sucrose is not an ingredient in Splenda.” Rebecca Tushnet, a professor of advertising law at Georgetown University who has followed the case, said: “The key issue is, what can you say about your product that’s made in a lab and its relationship to nature? How much can you suggest that it’s natural, whether because the components were found in nature, or your body processes it as natural?”

Merisant argues that it is chemistry, not sugar, that generates Splenda’s sweetness. “At the end of the day, they say Splenda is ‘made from sugar,’ ” said Merisant’s lead outside lawyer, Gregory LoCascio of Kirkland & Ellis. “People think it’s sugar without the calories, or skim sugar, or magic sugar, and it’s not. It’s artificial sweetener.”

McNeil’s outside lawyers referred all calls to a McNeil spokeswoman, Julie Keenan, who provided a statement saying that Splenda “is made from pure cane sugar by a patented process that makes three atomic changes to the sugar (sucrose) molecule.”

“The resulting sweetener, called sucralose, retains the sweet taste of sugar,” she said.

Equal, also known as aspartame, also does not have an iota of sugar in it. It is composed of two amino acids and a methyl ester group. But Equal promotes itself as an artificial sweetener and tones down the references to sugar in its marketing, saying only that it “has sweet, clean taste, like sugar.”

Still, Equal has a powerful if unlikely ally in its battle against Splenda: the Sugar Association, a trade and lobbying group for the $10 billion American natural sugar industry. The association has separately sued Splenda’s makers over its claims to be related to sugar.

Legal battles over the authenticity of consumer products are not new. In 1996, the maker of Prego, Conopco, unsuccessfully sued the maker of Ragu, the Campbell Soup Company, over Prego’s claim that its pasta sauce was “thickest.” In another case, Hot Wax unsuccessfully sued Turtle Wax in 1999, contending that it created the impression that its car wax actually contained wax. (It did not.)

Equal was first sold in 1982 by G. D. Searle, which was then acquired by Monsanto. Merisant, a private company in Chicago that describes itself as David to McNeil’s Goliath, bought the Equal part of Monsanto’s business in March 2000. Another brand of aspartame, NutraSweet, is sold by the Nutra-Sweet Company, also in Chicago.

After gaining approval from the F.D.A., McNeil introduced Splenda in late 1999. Because of an aggressive marketing campaign by Alchemy, a New York advertising agency, Splenda immediately began to eat into Equal’s sales. In 2001, Splenda had annual sales of $34 million, compared with Equal’s $84 million, according to Information Resources Inc., a data company.

By late 2004, McNeil had to ration shipments of Splenda amid soaring demand. McNeil has spent over $235 million since then to promote Splenda.

In less than a decade, Splenda has come to dominate the American artificial sweetener market. Last year, it had sales of $212 million, dwarfing Equal’s sales of $49 million. Splenda is now not just in packets and bulk, but in Cocoa Puffs, Diet Coke, Pedialyte, and nearly 4,500 other consumer products.

In its court filings, Merisant cites presentations made by Alchemy, Splenda’s advertising agency, that cited “the decision to position Splenda as not artificial.”

In those presentations, the agency says that Splenda should be thought of as “sugar without the calories,” putting “significant distance from “artificial sweeteners.”

For a time in 2002, McNeil added the line “but it’s not sugar.” Sales fizzled.

McNeil dropped the line and went back to “made like sugar, tastes like sugar” and “think sugar, say Splenda.” Sales shot back up.

One apparent reason was that for consumers polled by McNeil, the tagline “made from sugar” caused some to be unclear as to whether Splenda is truly natural, according to a sealed declaration filed by a lawyer for Merisant who saw the documents. The comments were quoted by the judge in her March opinion.

Professor Keller of Dartmouth said that “it’s all going to come down to consumer perceptions, and how they interpret what these claims are, and are they accurate.”

Napoleon54
04-06-2007, 10:15 AM
This is a really interesting case. One of the points is that Splenda does not contain any sugar and thus "sugar" can't be considered an ingredient because, although sugar is the starting material, it is not present in the finished product. Seems fair, until you think about it some more. That's exactly the case with anything that includes "baking soda" in the list of ingredients. There is NO baking soda in a finished product! It is converted to carbon dioxide and a few spectator ions in the baking process. It is chemically converted as a part of the manufacturing process, just like happens to sugar in the making of splenda. The only argument I can see against that logic is that baking soda --> CO2 is a process of decomposition, whereas sugar -->splenda is a process of synthesis. I wonder if that factors in to the debate at some point. But there are TONS of examples of chemistry in action in the food industry. Rarely is a finished product only a sum of it's parts... almost always there are things going that change those raw materials enumerated in the ingredients list into something else.

The argument against sugar as an ingredient in Splenda is kinda like saying a cake should simply say "cake" on the ingredients list, rather than "flour, sugar, water, eggs, baking soda, salt, etc.". Strictly speaking, there are none of those things in the finished product.. it's all cake! Or if you want to be more precise, you could say "Ingredients: hydrated starches bound together by denatured proteins, with added lipids, mono- and disaccharides, carbon dioxide, sodium and cloride ions, etc...". Something along those lines would be much more representative of the true composition of the finished product. :shrug:

I think it'll all come down to semantics in the end.

zippyjuan
04-06-2007, 11:21 AM
"Made from chlorine" just does not sound as good.

Did you know that sucralose has more in common with pesticides than it does with sugar?

Splenda is the trade name for sucralose, a synthetic compound stumbled upon in 1976 by scientists in Britain seeking a new pesticide formulation. It is true that the Splenda molecule is comprised of sucrose (sugar) — except that three of the hydroxyl groups in the molecule have been replaced by three chlorine atoms. (To get a better picture of what this looks like, see this image of a sucralose molecule.)

While some industry experts claim the molecule is similar to table salt or sugar, other independent researchers say it has more in common with pesticides. That’s because the bonds holding the carbon and chlorine atoms together are more characteristic of a chlorocarbon than a salt — and most pesticides are chlorocarbons.

http://www.womentowomen.com/nutritionandweightloss/splenda.asp

The "chemical details":

According to the Splenda International Patent A23L001-236 and PEP Review #90-1-4 (July 1991), sucralose is synthesized by this five-step process:

1. sucrose is tritylated with trityl chloride in the presence of dimethylformamide and 4-methylmorpholine and the tritylated sucrose is then acetylated with acetic anhydride,

2. the resulting TRISPA (6,1',6'-tri-O-trityl-penta-O-acetylsucrose) is chlorinated with hydrogen chloride in the presence of toluene,

3. the resulting 4-PAS (sucrose 2,3,4,3',4'-pentaacetate) is heated in the presence of methyl isobutyl ketone and acetic acid,

4. the resulting 6-PAS (sucrose 2,3,6,3',4'-pentaacetate) is chlorinated with thionyl chloride in the presence of toluene and benzyltriethylammonium chloride, and

5. the resulting TOSPA (sucralose pentaacetate) is treated with methanol (wood alcohol, a poison) in the presence of sodium methoxide to produce sucralose.

The Splenda marketers stress that sucralose is “made from sugar but is derived from this sugar through a process that selectively substitutes three atoms of chlorine for three hydrogen-oxygen groups on the sucrose molecule.” While this is true, it is a deceptively simple description, implying that sucralose is just a benign sugar with a touch of chlorine, and thereby, safe for consumption. According to research on the hydrolysis of sugars, just the process of inserting chlorine into the sugar molecule (hydrolysis means breaking it into smaller molecules) ultimately allows these chemicals to penetrate the intestinal wall.

So sucralose becomes a “low-calorie” sugar with a complicated process that results in Splenda’s chemical formula: 1,6-dichloro-1, 6-dideoxy-BETA-D-fructofuranosyl-4-chloro-4-deoxy-alpha-D-galactopyranoside.


http://www.splendaexposed.com/articles/2005/11/the_hidden_chem.html

The FDA states in their Final Report on Splenda that sucralose is “produced at an approximate purity of ninety-eight percent.” The other two percent does not have to be reported to the FDA, nor listed as added ingredients. So what’s in the other two percent? The chemicals used to synthesize sucralose in the five-step process:

1. Acetone
2. Acetic acid
3. Acetyl alcohol
4. Acetic anhydride
5. Ammonium chloride
6. Benzene
7. Chlorinated sulfates
8. Ethyl alcohol
9. Isobutyl ketones
10. Formaldehyde
11. Hydrogen chloride
12. Lithium chloride
13. Methanol
14. Sodium methoxide
15. Sulfuryl chloride
16. Trityl chloride
17. Toluene
18. Thionyl chloride


Just like sugar!

As far as your diet efforts including sucralose, artificial sweetners may not be helping you. http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts

Artificial Sweeteners May Damage Diet Efforts
Sugar Substitutes May Distort the Body's Natural Calorie Counter

WebMD Medical NewsJune 30, 2004 -- Sugar substitutes may offer sweet treats for calorie-conscious dieters, but a new study shows that they may also play tricks on the body and sabotage weight-loss efforts.

Researchers say artificial sweeteners may interfere with the body's natural ability to count calories based on a food's sweetness and make people prone to overindulging in other sweet foods and beverages.

For example, drinking a diet soft drink rather than a sugary one at lunch may reduce the calorie count of the meal, but it may trick the body into thinking that other sweet items don't have as many calories either.

Researchers say the findings show that losing the ability to judge a food's calorie content based on its sweetness may be contributing to the dramatic rise in overweight and obesity rates in the U.S.


More info in the article.
Another study, specifically with sucralose: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/A/2002741.html

Publishing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Raben et al. supplemented a group of overweight men and women with either sucrose or artificial sweetener, mostly in the form of sweetened beverages. They found that individuals who consumed sucrose increased their energy intake, body weight, fat mass, and blood pressure. Individuals in the artificial sweetener group, however, experienced small but significant decreases in all of these areas.
Drinking lots of diet soda seems to be a big factor.

Napoleon54
04-06-2007, 02:05 PM
*snip*


Mmmmmm, yum! That's quite a list of stuff about Splenda.

But to be fair, most of those things could be said about the majority of pharmaceutical products as well. Everything from asprin and prescription drugs to the components of your daily vitamin likely goes through a lot of similar processing with the same reagents, solvents, etc.

Houdini
04-06-2007, 08:05 PM
Mmmmmm, yum! That's quite a list of stuff about Splenda.

But to be fair, most of those things could be said about the majority of pharmaceutical products as well. Everything from asprin and prescription drugs to the components of your daily vitamin likely goes through a lot of similar processing with the same reagents, solvents, etc.

:stupid:

It's probably the reason the Equal people aren't talking about their compound. The synthesis of it must be unfathomable. I can't even figure out where to start. If you asked me to make sucralose, I could probably figure out a way to do it, though.

And yeah, everything has scary sounding chemicals, and some of those scary chemicals can be used in pesticides, etc.

I remember one girl in college trying to convince people that her "organic" banana had "no chemicals in it." Then again, she was typically found in the cafeteria literally grazing on plant stems, herbs, flowers, etc.

cheapie
04-07-2007, 05:17 PM
splenda should just change their advertising to say, "we don't taste like a$$ like the blue and pink stuff does"

Napoleon54
04-07-2007, 05:45 PM
Does anyone here use artificial sweeteners (Equal, Splenda, NutraSweet, etc)?

I get the impression that most people use them primarily in their coffee and rarely anytime else. What's that save, like 10 calories versus regular sugar? Doesn't seem like it would make much of an impact.

Jcranmer
04-07-2007, 05:54 PM
Does anyone here use artificial sweeteners (Equal, Splenda, NutraSweet, etc)?

I get the impression that most people use them primarily in their coffee and rarely anytime else. What's that save, like 10 calories versus regular sugar? Doesn't seem like it would make much of an impact.

I use them, but mostly in things like diet soda. Only because I am diabetic and need to avoid things like sugar (and carbs). Other then that I would take my chances with sugar, rather then all the chemicals in artificial sweeteners. :disa:

zippyjuan
04-07-2007, 05:55 PM
If you consume any sugar free or most reduced sugar products, you are getting one or the other. Diet sodas are the biggest use. A lot of people probably consume more of them than they think. From the article:

Splenda is now not just in packets and bulk, but in Cocoa Puffs, Diet Coke, Pedialyte, and nearly 4,500 other consumer products.

and both of them together in some 6,000 products.

cruelpupet
04-07-2007, 06:39 PM
Does anyone here use artificial sweeteners (Equal, Splenda, NutraSweet, etc)?

I get the impression that most people use them primarily in their coffee and rarely anytime else. What's that save, like 10 calories versus regular sugar? Doesn't seem like it would make much of an impact.


Nope, and now Ive been using "sugar in the raw" in the very rare cases i use sugar (mostly baking).

As for artificial sweeteners, my father drank nothing but diet soda for the past 6+ years. He found a bladder tumor last week and had it removed (caught early). There is no history of cancer in the family (except one or two cases of skin, and 1 for stomach cancer who was a very heavy drinker) and everyone has lived into their 80s or 90s. No one in the house smokes, he isnt involved with pesticides or chemicals, and those are the major factors in bladder cancer. Nothing will convince me that it wasnt the soda.

Napoleon54
04-07-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm one of those people who compulsively reads the ingredient labels on everything, though it's mostly out of curiousity rather than from being a health nut (which I'm not). Though, I do almost entirely avoid artificial sweeteners and hydrogenated oils, and I do pretty well with preservatives and other junk like that as well. Mostly it's a nice benefit of the fact that I love to cook and thus hardly ever eat prepared foods.

The only thing I've had in a looooong time with artificial sweeteners in it is chewing gum. It's damn near impossible to find (decent) gum that has regular old sugar in it anymore. That really annoys me.

cruelpupet
04-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Ive started to turn into a health nut. I try to cut back on meat every now and then, though I will never give it up. Avoid hydrogenated oils, get non preservative stuff when i can.

Houdini
04-07-2007, 08:23 PM
The only thing I've had in a looooong time with artificial sweeteners in it is chewing gum. It's damn near impossible to find (decent) gum that has regular old sugar in it anymore. That really annoys me.

True. That is annoying, especially for a migraneur.

This thread kinda reminds me of the "natural vs. artificial flavors" thread. Hah! Only in this case, the two aren't the same.

gear02
04-07-2007, 09:05 PM
This is a case that us marketers are watching closely because it's entirely based on how it is marketed.

My gut feeling is that Splenda will win and that the publicity of this case will further cement Splenda's market lead and may even gain more share.