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johnnymk
05-15-2007, 08:29 PM
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/gas_prices147.html

Gasoline prices hit record levels for the third consecutive day striking $3.09, according to the AAA Fuel Gauge Report.

Prices are now above $3 in 31 states and the District of Columbia generating fears that $4 a gallon gasoline could be in the near future.

The government's top energy forecaster told Congress that there will be no relief soon from the record high prices. The U.S. Energy Information Administration continues to blame strong consumer demand and dwindling stockpiles because of refinery breakdowns and slow imports for the skyrocketing prices.

The government warns that retail prices will climb higher as the summer vacation season continues.

EIA head Guy Caruso told Congress that there is still some wholesale price run-up that has not been passed along to consumers. Caruso declined to speculate how much higher gasoline prices will go.

"With refinery production expected to improve during the rest of May and import volumes increasing over the last few weeks, gasoline markets may ease somewhat, causing gasoline prices to recede from their current high levels," Caruso told members of the Senate Energy and Commerce committee.

Nevertheless, Caruso warned that the EIA expects gasoline markets to remain "fairly tight" this summer.

About 800,000 barrels per day in U.S. crude oil refining capacity is currently offline, which translates into about 400,000 barrels a day of lost gasoline production, according to the EIA. "It is an unusually high amount," EIA analyst Joanne Shores said.

AAA spokesman Geoff Sundstrom told the committee that his organization finds it "troubling" that the U.S is not able to supply enough gasoline to meet domestic demand.

Americans should be able to expect that those who refine oil into gasoline do a better job of anticipating demand growth, plan to meet that growth, and then make the necessary investments in plants, equipment and labor to provide the fuel at a cost that has some semblance of stability," Sundstrom said.

Senator Jeff Bingaman, the Democrat who chairs the energy panel, acknowledged that the U.S. economy remains “vulnerable to oil and gasoline supply disruptions and associated price increases."

The ranking Republican on the committee, Senator Pete Domenici, said there was no "silver bullet" that would slow the rise in gasoline prices this summer.

Prices High Everywhere
Prices are now above $3 in 31 states and experts predict more increases to come as consumers hit the road for vacations and other summer travel.

Mid-grade gasoline is selling for a national average of $3.26 and premium sells for $3.37.

The cheapest regular self-serve gasoline in the country is found in Boiling Springs, South Carolina for $2.65 and the most expensive gallon is on sale in Needles, California for $3.99.

One month ago regular sold for $2.79 and one year ago it sold for $2.88.

Houdini
05-16-2007, 02:06 AM
Warning without solutions postulated?

Build more refineries? Blocked.

Drill for more oil in and around our own land? Blocked.

Realize that oil companies make about a nickel/gallon of gas after the drilling, extraction, transport, refining, and transport, and right now federal + state taxes are >50c in most cases? Good.

Temporarily (or permanently) kill the federal taxes on gas. It's a conflict of interest. Congress has no incentive to cut the gas tax, as the higher gas goes, the more money/gallon they get. Reduce it substantially, more gas will be sold, etc. It is getting awfully high. I know...my car only drinks premium. :|

LPMiller
05-16-2007, 04:30 AM
uh, if the tax is X cents a gallon of gas, how does more expensive gas give them more money, if X is a constant?

VTGreg
05-16-2007, 07:24 AM
This article is contrary to some of the reports I have seen over the past two or three days. I saw that refinery output is coming back online and that this initial spike should subside. However, it is anticipated that prices will ramp back up towards the end of the summer as is typically the case.

DarkFury
05-16-2007, 08:19 AM
Well... $3.61 per gallon for 93 Octane sure did make me say OWWW yesterday.

It's like it jumped 30 cents in a matter of 2 or 3 days. :eek:

Prngr44
05-16-2007, 08:41 AM
I filled up yesterday for 2.92 and I was giddy.

That's sad.

Maarchk
05-16-2007, 10:06 AM
I filled up yesterday for 2.92 and I was giddy.

That's sad.

you should be happy. I haven't seen less that 3 dollars in a year in so cal. we are in the 3.40-3.70 range.

Even my little car doesn't fill up under 40 and it used to be almost full off of 25.

Houdini
05-16-2007, 10:35 AM
uh, if the tax is X cents a gallon of gas, how does more expensive gas give them more money, if X is a constant?

I'm not sure X is constant.

At any rate, killing (permanently or temporarily) that tax would help the consumer immediately, and would be vastly more responsible than hitting our strategic reserves. And b/c no refineries are being built (they are blocked), though some are coming back online now, it will take a long time for anything to happen.

That and the reformulations that occur a few times each year to comply with EPA and local laws. Refineries have to be reconfigured, which takes a while and is expensive. Plus different parts of the country require different forumulations, even neighboring states. If it were to be standardized, (understanding that all gasoline pollutes, and unless you can show that polluting one area with different pollutants is worse than other, that whole idea is kinda stupid.) I understand doing so to improve combustion for different seasons and temps, but it's just another beurocratic cog that costs us money.

At any rate, the oil companies aren't making that much more money from the higher prices. But the government takes in on average 6-7x the oil companies' take from the gas, after refining and other expenses I discussed are taken into account - expensive. Increased transportation encourages vacations, trips to stores, etc., during which people spend money, which of course helps the economy. Right now the prices are outrageous. Not that I'll complain about an extra $4 or so per tank from having to use premium, but right now airplane flights are getting more expensive, etc. Even plastics may go up in price. Look at how expensive diesel is (understanding that diesel cars aren't that popular right now) but it's easier to make. If only we'd bring the Euro technology here for more diesel cars, that would help as well. But for now, killing that (and other fuel-related taxes) tax would help a lotta people, likely the poor the most. Hell, I'm not poor, but I'm far from rich, and the extra dollar/year or so gets expensive. I can only imagine what it's like to have a low, low income, likely drive a not-so-fuel-effient older car, and having to pay out the nose for gas, when a ~15-20% decrease could be enacted tomorrow, until the supplies go up, the refining capacities go up (after reconfiguration for the summer) and refineries in, say, Louisiana wouldn't have to keep different parts of refineries reserved for making special gas for Indiana.

LPMiller
05-16-2007, 10:57 AM
Actually, X IS a constant. There is no graduated gas tax right now. And since that money tends to go to road repair, and I live in a state that is in constant need of road repair, I don't hate it. I do tend to think now is not the time to add more gas tax, however, but turning it off now? I'm already constantly dodging roads that are destroyed every year by winter, I don't really want things to get worse.

And I'm sorry, but when you make 20 billion in profit, I have a hard time believing there is only a 5 cent profit in selling gas. Something ain't adding up. I do think we need more refineries, which sure would help, but the only real way of lowering the price in a way that means anything is lower usage.

The other thing is that the current cost of gas is not really based on the current price of oil. It's really a refinery issue right now. Which I grant you, is a little unusual. It makes the price of gas really out of wack with the price of oil

Napoleon54
05-16-2007, 11:31 AM
$4, $5, $6 per gallon doesn't bother me. Alternative fuels won't go anywhere until there's more economic pressure/ incentive to develop them. I'm all for $7 per gallon gas. Americans are spoiled rotten if you consider prices in Europe.