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johnnymk
03-11-2008, 10:21 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200803/NAT20080311b.html

(CNSNews.com) - An anti-union group is inviting the public to name the nation's worst "union-protected" teachers.

It's part of a campaign to show the adverse impact that the powerful teachers' unions -- especially the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers -- have on children, schools, and politics, the Center for Union Facts said.

"Most teachers are doing a wonderful job under difficult circumstances," the group said on its Web site. "The overall effect of teachers unions on public education, however -- when lawmakers and voters leave their power unchecked -- is far from positive."

The Center for Union Facts argues that teachers' unions oppose education reform, protect bad teachers, and misuse teachers' money, while their union contracts "wrap school districts in red tape."

Because of "union-defended" labor laws, however, it can be impossible to fire a bad teacher, the Center says. Therefore, the group plans to accept nominations for the "ten worst union-protected teachers in America." It will offer to pay them $10,000 apiece to get out of the classroom for good.

"Dedicated, professional teachers have nothing to fear from this contest," the Center for Union Facts said, adding it intends to "showcase the worst of the worst."

The group's Web site is now accepting nominations. "All submissions will be screened for approval and edited to protect privacy before they will be posted," the Center said.

The Center for Union Facts is run by Rick Berman, a former labor lawyer who says he opposes union corruption and intimidation. Berman also runs the Center for Consumer Freedom, a group that represents the interests of the food and restaurant industry.

Edward J. McElroy, the president of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), blasted Berman's "anti-union front group" for launching an "assault" on teachers.

McElroy, on the AFT Web site, calls Berman "an ethically challenged attack dog" and "a shameless lobbyist who has shilled for pesticide, alochol and tobacco companies."

According to McElroy, "Berman uses "hidden funders to attack groups that contribute a great deal to society. Now he is coming after teachers at a time when most Americans support education and want to make improving education a top national priority. Teachers and the public deserve to know which businesses are bankrolling Berman's despicable tactics, but he is too much of a coward to reveal the source of his funding," McElroy said.

McElroy describes the AFT as a longtime advocated for "sound, commonsense public education policies, including high academic and conduct standards for students, and greater professionalism for teachers and school staff. He said the union does back education reforms -- "when they are done in a way that improves teaching and learning."

As part of its new project, the Center for Union Facts said it filed freedom of information requests with dozens of major school districts. "From the stacks of paperwork that ensued, we have calculated a variety of statistics that document how teachers unions -- and the laws and policies they defend -- keep bad teachers in classrooms."

The group examined 22 school districts, all listed on its Web site. It calculated how many "contract teachers" are employed -- and how many of those teachers were fired over a four-year period. In all cases, a very low percentage of teachers were fired, prompting the Center for Union Facts to conclude that unions "have made it nearly impossible to fire bad teachers."

uncledaddy
03-11-2008, 12:02 PM
I'm sure that many of these teachers are in Southern California. You'd be surprised at a lot of the young adults that I have met that have recently graduated high school. It's amazing that most of them even made it past the 7th grade with their basic mathematic and spelling abilities. :disa:

Maarchk
03-11-2008, 12:18 PM
interesting but poorly designed. I guess it's more meant for shock value. What they really need to do is weed out bad teachers and maybe make them non-union. But if we insist on paying teachers a small amount of money, we have to realize we're going to get a lot of crappy teachers. If we paid them better, like what they are worth, we'd probably have more high quality teachers. Some are really good and they get recruited away by well paying private schools.

Jeffbx
03-11-2008, 01:10 PM
That teachers are in a low paying profession really not true. Average salaries across the US for all public school teachers is $47k (http://www.aft.org/salary/index.htm), with those on the upper end making $80-90k, and well into the 6 figures for higher level administrators. I'd say that's right in line for a 4-6 year non-technical degree. And actually, in most cases public schools pay MORE than private because of the strong unions.

But it is true that's it's difficult, if not impossible to fire a bad teacher who's union represented. One of my relatives was in public school administration, and he says that bad teachers don't get fired, they get moved from school to school because it's such a hassle to get rid of them. The unions are excellent at protecting their members, whether they deserve protection or not.

YellowCoffee
03-11-2008, 01:18 PM
That teachers are in a low paying profession really not true. Average salaries across the US for all public school teachers is $47k (http://www.aft.org/salary/index.htm), with those on the upper end making $80-90k, and well into the 6 figures for higher level administrators. I'd say that's right in line for a 4-6 year non-technical degree. And actually, in most cases public schools pay MORE than private because of the strong unions.

But it is true that's it's difficult, if not impossible to fire a bad teacher who's union represented. One of my relatives was in public school administration, and he says that bad teachers don't get fired, they get moved from school to school because it's such a hassle to get rid of them. The unions are excellent at protecting their members, whether they deserve protection or not.

I think that many people, including myself, don't think that a teacher is a low pay profession, I think it's more "underpaid". Almost anybody can be a teacher and be protected by the union, but it's VERY difficult to be a good, effective teacher who actually cares about making a difference. I think objectively, a good teacher works a lot of "overtime" grading paper, thinking of new classroom ideas, and working with kids 1on1. I'm sure some teachers just work from 7:30-2:30 and go home and do nothing.

There have been ideas of "performance-based pay" for public school teachers, but it's been very difficult to create a fair program that accurately quantifies performance. Personally, 90% of my public school teachers were horrible and probably didn't deserve what they were getting in salary, but the 10% of my teachers that were great were severely underpaid for what they did.

mcs328
03-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Michelle Rhee in Washington DC is doing her part to get rid the bad teachers/school employees. She just eliminated about 100 people non-union positions. http://wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1359970

Napoleon54
03-11-2008, 04:37 PM
I have a lot of friends who are teachers. Salaries in teaching seem fair, especially considering the huge overabundance of qualified teachers looking for jobs. Unions keep the pay artificially high. In NY it is getting harder and harder to get a job in teaching. Once your foot is in the door though, you've got it made whether you work at it or are good at it or not. Teachers also get very good benefits.

I think the logic for keeping turn-over so low is that stability is desired... you don't want teachers coming and going all the time, etc. But it's gone too far. As I understand it, once you're there for a couple years they have to decide to give you tenure or not. Once you have it you're nearly impossible to get rid of, regardless of how horrible you could become. So you get a huge divide between teachers who continue to improve and those who stop caring... they all make the same $$ and all are unfireable. They're completely immune and unaccountable.