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johnnymk
07-10-2008, 05:46 AM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708200645.htm

ScienceDaily (July 10, 2008) — Music can soothe the savage breast much better if played by musicians rather than clever computers, according to a new University of Sussex-led study.

Neuroscientists looked at the brain's response to piano sonatas played either by a computer or a musician and found that, while the computerised music elicited an emotional response -- particularly to unexpected chord changes - it was not as strong as listening to the same piece played by a professional pianist.

Senior research fellow in psychology Dr Stefan Koelsch, who carried out the study with colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Leipzig, played excerpts from classical piano sonatas to twenty non-musicians and recorded electric brain responses and skin conductance responses (which vary with sweat production as a result of an emotional response).

Although the participants did not play instruments and considered themselves unmusical, their brains showed clear electric activity in response to musical changes (unexpected chords and changes in tonal key), which indicated that the brain was understanding the "musical grammar". This response was enhanced, however, when the sonatas were played by musicians rather than a computer.

Dr Koelsch said: "It was interesting for us that the emotional reactions to the unexpected chords were stronger when played with musical expression. This shows us how musicians can enhance the emotional response to particular chords due to their performance, and it shows us how our brains react to the performance of other individuals."

The study also revealed that the brain was more likely to look for musical meaning when the music was played by a pianist.

"This is similar to the response we see when the brain is responding to language and working out what the words mean," says Dr Koelsch. "Our results suggest that musicians actually tell us something when they play The brain responses show that when a pianist plays a piece with emotional expression, the piece is actually perceived as meaningful by listeners, even if they have not received any formal musical training."

mojo
07-10-2008, 05:52 AM
when a musician plays something, some or many of the notes are not technically matching with the score, whereas a computer doesn't have programming to account for "feel." basically it's the imperfect quality of the musician's playing makes it "good."

Nija
07-10-2008, 06:28 AM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708200645.htm

ScienceDaily (July 10, 2008) — Music can soothe the savage breast much better if played by musicians rather than clever computers, according to a new University of Sussex-led study.


WTH

DarkFury
07-10-2008, 07:22 AM
Heh... I need a pic of said "Savage breasts" for confirmation. :heh:

ArkiStan
07-10-2008, 09:41 AM
This is all relative and depends on conditioning I think. I remember back in the day when the VERY synthetic soundtracks of my PC adventure games (floppy disks) could elicit very emotional responses in me. Of course I was immersed in the storyline and characters as well, but the music was often a critical factor in my emotional involvement.

Would that still be possible nowadays after being exposed to all different types of great music from all around the world? Probably not so much.

mojo
07-10-2008, 10:07 AM
I remember back in the day when the VERY synthetic soundtracks of my PC adventure games (floppy disks) could elicit very emotional responses in me. Of course I was immersed in the storyline and characters as well, but the music was often a critical factor in my emotional involvement.

that's because you're a robot, stan

The Happy Squirrel
07-10-2008, 11:43 AM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708200645.htm

ScienceDaily (July 10, 2008) — Music can soothe the savage breast much better if played by musicians rather than clever computers, according to a new University of Sussex-led study.
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hows that???


edit: whoops looks like i am late here, second flame, heheh still funny the eintre page didnt load the first time

nate el bueno
07-10-2008, 02:01 PM
heh
It's more than just machines vs. humans. Humans understand the importance of different keys. In studying music, I've learned that different keys have different sounds. For example, d minor is the "sad key", and sounds heavier than others. F sharp is very twangy, and D flat major is what they call "the key of love", as it is richer and actually somewhat of a "red" key.

gwilks98
07-10-2008, 10:03 PM
There are 2 factors I'm curious about

1. Whether the listener was allowed to watch. Our eyes cause our brains to fill in a lot of subjective/missing sensory input. I wonder if their eyes were closed.
2. Whether the computer had full range capabilities (playing down to 10 hz and up to 40 khz) or whether they put it in front of some crappy Creative labs speakers.

DarkFury
07-11-2008, 05:43 AM
Computers have no "feelings"... yet with a live performance you can feel the "heart and soul" of the performer in the performance. Thus it would be understanding the assumptions made in this topic.

Markel
07-11-2008, 09:23 AM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080708200645.htm

ScienceDaily (July 10, 2008) — Music can soothe the savage breast much better if played by musicians rather than clever computers, according to a new University of Sussex-led study.

WTH
Hey, it passed the spell checker....

Maarchk
07-11-2008, 01:33 PM
I remember buying but i lost it. :( A cd of gershwins concerto's played by a machine because he had large hands and could reach between keys that few or no one else good. And so it took a machine with fake fingers to match his play. It was a rather beautiful cd, and i'm sure i put it in a safe place... never to be seen from again. But it was awesome.

DaFunkyUnit
07-11-2008, 04:06 PM
long live drum machines.