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johnnymk
07-26-2008, 03:36 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/business/26auto.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

DETROIT — Chrysler is getting out of the auto leasing business.

The company, now privately held, told its dealers on Friday that its financing arm, Chrysler Financial, would stop offering leases as of Aug. 1, a move that comes as plummeting resale values of gas-thirsty trucks and sport utility vehicles turn lease deals on those vehicles into big money losers for the Detroit automakers.

On Thursday, the Ford Motor Company took a $2.1 billion write-down in the second quarter, part of an $8.7 billion loss for Ford over all, related to unprofitable leases held by its finance arm, the Ford Motor Credit Company.

James E. Press, a co-president of Chrysler, said the carmaker would divert money it had been spending to subsidize leases toward offers that make traditional financing more affordable. He said Chrysler would offer discounts so that many customers who financed a vehicle would end up with about the same monthly payment that they would have had in a lease.

In many instances, Mr. Press said, low interest rates already have made financing more appealing than leasing, and leasing creates more financial risk for the automaker.

“There was a time when leasing was really very attractive,” he said in a conference call with reporters and analysts. “We really reached a point today, in this environment, where the economic advantages of leasing have really disappeared.”

Chrysler dealers will still be able to offer leases through independent banks.

Nationally, about four out of five customers buy rather than lease, according to data from the Power Information Network, a division of J. D. Power & Associates. But leasing is extremely popular in certain regions of the country, including the Detroit area.

At Shuman Motor Sales, a Chrysler and Jeep dealership in Walled Lake, Mich., the general sales manager, Chris Brough, said leases accounted for 85 percent of the dealership’s business. Mr. Brough said ending leases would mean lower volume at first but that the change would make his dealerships and others healthier in the long run.

“I’m looking forward to it,” he said. “We made more money when we sold cars as opposed to leasing them — when people saw value in the car rather than just the monthly payment.”

Lease payments are calculated according to how much of its value a vehicle is expected to lose during the length of the lease, and often have little correlation to the car’s actual price. Most of the larger vehicles under lease are now worth far less than they were expected to be worth, meaning lenders will lose money when they sell those vehicles after the lease ends.

In the last year alone, resale values dropped 12 percent for large pickup trucks and 11 percent for large S.U.V.’s, according to the Power Information Network.

Because leasing can make expensive vehicles cheaper to drive than lower-priced ones, it had begun playing the same type of role in the vehicle market that interest-only and adjustable-rate loans had in weakening the housing market, Mr. Press said.

“Leasing was being used in some cases to get people into product who probably economically shouldn’t have been in leases,” he said. “That kind of exposure is a little bit of a bubble, and we’ve got to clean that up.”

Chrysler’s owner, the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management, also owns 51 percent of GMAC Financial Services, the financing arm at General Motors. A GMAC spokeswoman, Gina Proia, declined to say whether that company might also move out of the leasing business.

Analysts expect GMAC to take significant write-downs on its lease portfolio either when it reports second-quarter results or in a later period.

Separately Friday, G.M. said it would make employee discounts on its vehicles more accessible to people outside the company for the rest of July in hopes of stimulating sales in an otherwise slow month. G.M. told employees that they could each pass on their discount to one other person.

“It’s a way to get consumers who are even thinking about buying a car to at least come into the showroom,” G.M.’s chief executive, Rick Wagoner, told reporters after an event to dedicate a new powertrain development facility near Detroit.

Mr. Wagoner said July sales had been “not too different from last month,” when G.M.’s sales were down 17.7 percent and overall industry sales fell 18.3 percent.

Jihforce
07-26-2008, 10:41 AM
Smart move for them because they make crappy cars no one wants in 2-3 years.

DarkFury
07-26-2008, 01:28 PM
Smart move for them because they make crappy cars no one wants in 2-3 years.
Chrysler cars aren't crappy... at least mine isn't (I guess I have to thank the Mercedes Benz tech for that. :D )

Furds are crappier than Chryslers... :heh:

Jihforce
07-26-2008, 10:12 PM
Chrysler cars aren't crappy... at least mine isn't (I guess I have to thank the Mercedes Benz tech for that. :D )

Furds are crappier than Chryslers... :heh:

ROFL. Actually, the 300C was probably their best because of MB. Their newer models suffer horrible quality issues. Take the Nitro for example...horrible/ugly car, built poorly too.

DarkFury
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
They should have left Ralph Gilles in charge of design...

Mercedes USED Chrysler... bled them dry and then left them hangin'...

Chrysler probably coulda made it with some better choices of their management.

VTGreg
07-27-2008, 05:19 AM
Smart move for them because they make crappy cars no one wants in 2-3 years.

Wouldn't that make it more of a fit for leasing?

Does anyone else think this is a knee-jerk reaction? Are they just getting rid of leasing on trucks and SUV's or are they stopping leasing all together?

mojo
07-27-2008, 10:05 AM
Chrysler cars aren't crappy... at least mine isn't (I guess I have to thank the Mercedes Benz tech for that. :D )

Furds are crappier than Chryslers... :heh:
i like fords better than chryslers. but i like chryslers.

my first car was a '69 plymouth :love:

DarkFury
07-27-2008, 12:22 PM
i like fords better than chryslers. but i like chryslers.

my first car was a '69 plymouth :love:
Honestly, F(u)ord only makes "one" appealing car... The Mustang. Everything else in its lineup just SUCKS.

The T-Bird up until 1997 looked good, but the replacement was an atrocity. But hey, that's corporate mentality thinking that they know what "you the consumer" want moreso than what you really want.

Now that truck sales are way down (nobody is really selling many trucks these days), I guess they are banking on Rental car lots, Taxi services and police stations buying up all the Tauruses, LTDs, and Crown Vics out there. :shrug:

Chysler may be on the way out... simply because they really don't have much to offer now that MB has pulled out (that's the only reason I bought in to them... the 300C was just too "bad assed". :D ) I severely doubt I'd buy another Chrysler at this point just because of the uncertainty of where the company is going. However as a corporate entity, Chrysler has treated me fairly as a customer as well as provided the kinds of things I'd want in a car, hence I'll stick with them as long as the 300 holds out. :D

guiseppewv
07-28-2008, 02:32 AM
They should have left Ralph Gilles in charge of design...

Mercedes USED Chrysler... bled them dry and then left them hangin'...

Chrysler probably coulda made it with some better choices of their management.

I am not that familiar with the Mercedes/Chrysler fiasco. How did the bleed them dry?

Jeffbx
07-28-2008, 05:15 AM
Wouldn't that make it more of a fit for leasing?

Does anyone else think this is a knee-jerk reaction? Are they just getting rid of leasing on trucks and SUV's or are they stopping leasing all together?

Looks like altogether. It's still a sweet deal for consumers no matter what they say in the article, but it's a horrible deal for the MFRs nowadays because they're stuck with a HUGE glut of used cars that have very, very little value at auction.

Traditionally, leased cars are turned in after 24 or 36 months, and the dealers usully send them directly to an auction house where they're sold to the highest bidder (but limited to car dealers - no private parties). But there are so many used cars that aren't selling that the auction prices are plummeting & Chrysler is probably losing money on a good % of their sales.

I hope GM doesn't follow suit... I always own one & lease one 'cuz it's cheaper that way for me.

DarkFury
07-28-2008, 10:59 AM
I am not that familiar with the Mercedes/Chrysler fiasco. How did the bleed them dry?
Pretty much the ONLY reason MB wanted Chrysler in the first place was to get their hands on their "truck/van" technology... so that they could incorporate that into some of their SUV designs.

As far as the bleeding them dry... MB managment continued to push units to the Chrysler/Dodge dealers well above their saturation point. Essentially, they forced the dealers to buy all of these "overstock" vehicles to sell at full retail price. Well in time, the dealers had way too many vehicles on their lots and were forced to buy even more which ultimately hurt profits.

On the 300 for example... up until about early 2006, the sales on that car held up pretty well, yet MB made a decision to keep pumping out more and more of them and only offering limited incentives to move those vehicles. Eventually, the price on these cars had to be slashed to move them once the local markets became saturated and MB really didn't like doing that. Ultimately they pulled the plug and sold the company to Cerberus walking away with a ton of cash in the process... and now the future of the company is questionable (since MB took most of the profits and funneled them out.)

Chrysler was on the road to recovery from the 80s... and many thought MB would save them with an injection of new technology. Instead, MB gave very little to the company.. as only 2 car lines really benefited (the 300/Charger and the Crossfire) Most of the other lines really didn't get the benefits that MB could have offered and were still plagued with the nuances that typically stereotype Chrysler products. One thing that is especially odd to me is that MB never gave Chrysler any of its "diesel designs" for any of the car lines. You can't buy a 300C with a diesel... however there are several Benz cars that have them. I guess MB didn't want to come off of that tech for its subsidiary company.

Like I mentioned earlier... I'm glad that my 300C has a decent amount of MB genetics... however at this point that is kinda moot since the future of the company is really up in the air.

cheapie
07-28-2008, 12:04 PM
They should have left Ralph Gilles in charge of design...


one of the best designers they've had in a quite a while.

attgig
07-28-2008, 12:16 PM
one of the best designers they've had in a quite a while.
where is he now?

Jihforce
07-28-2008, 01:30 PM
Wouldn't that make it more of a fit for leasing?

Actually, when you lease, you need a car that has high residual value and low interest rates to make it a good lease. In Chrysler's case, most of their cars have low residual values and they charge above market interest rates to lease them, making them very expensive.

renovation
07-28-2008, 08:44 PM
anyone heard if GM is going to follow Chrysler and drop leasing. as my inlaws who are 80 only buy/lease gm .in part due to getting a GM employee discount. there turn in date is next month or sept.

Jihforce
07-28-2008, 11:31 PM
anyone heard if GM is going to follow Chrysler and drop leasing. as my inlaws who are 80 only buy/lease gm .in part due to getting a GM employee discount. there turn in date is next month or sept.
No word yet. I don't think they will just yet, although many of their cars don't lease very well either.

Jeffbx
07-29-2008, 04:48 AM
In Michigan they do - it's still cheaper to lease than to buy in most cases (especially if you get the employee discount!)

Jeffbx
08-04-2008, 04:57 AM
**Update -

GM & Ford are following suit. (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20080803/EMAIL/258437832/1069)


Loss of lease deals jolts auto dealers
Many hope incentives will get customers to buy
By Nancy Kaffer

With the Detroit 3 automakers ending, restricting or re-evaluating lease programs, the future looks rocky for some area auto dealers.

Chrysler Financial L.L.C., the financial arm of Chrysler L.L.C., rocked the auto industry last month when it announced it would end its North American leasing program Aug. 1.

General Motors Corp. quickly followed suit, with GMAC Financial Services saying it would work to reduce the number of U.S. leases offered at below-standard rates. Ford Motor Credit Co. L.L.C. said buyers should expect lease prices to increase.

With leasing on the skids, much rests on the value of incentive packages designed to interest former lease customers in buying, dealers say.

...

But it's uncertain whether such packages will protect area auto dealers. Dealers contacted by Crain's last week said leasing accounts for 70 percent to 90 percent of total sales, a number all agree exceeds national averages.


Crap, there goes my cheap cars!

:cry:

Jihforce
08-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Doesn't bother me, GM and Ford have been leasing cars at 6-7% interest for much of the year anyway, so I don't see how this announcement is states anything I haven't already noticed. They use cash rebates to help offset their high interest and low residual values. In other words, buying American cars is still the better choice.

Now, if you start seeing the Japanese and Germans do this, that could be a problem.

Jeffbx
08-05-2008, 05:17 AM
Oh yeah, I'll certainly still buy American, but I may have to switch to purchasing rather than leasing. Maybe I can squeeze one more lease in before they pull them all... my current lease expires in February, IIRC.

Otherwise, maybe I'll look at a used, off lease car. Can probably pick those up for next to nothing.