New Orleans

[johnnymk]

So it looks like the latest hurricane could possibly hit New Orleans. And I am seeing where evacuation notices are being considered.

My question: Should some of New Orleans' population lose their lives because they didn't leave, who will the media blame this time?

[guiseppewv]

This should probably be in the political forum but.....

I couldn't agree with you more. It amazes me that it someone else's fault. It amazes me the devastation caused by natural disasters in the midwest this summer without all the bitching a griping that occurred in NO after Katrina. They were hit just as hard and support has been slower to get to them but I don't see the press up in arms about that. :shrug:

[Thesifer]

Well The mayor said there will be NO EMERGENCY SERVICES and no EMERGENCY CENTER. No Superdome. He said, GET OUT, GET OUT NOW. they ordered the mandatory evacuations today.

[uncledaddy]

Houdini.......Ruunnnnnn! :D


By the way, I wonder where H has been.

[InfiniteNothing]

Why'd they decide to put a city below sea level near the ocean?

[uncledaddy]

Why'd they decide to put a city below sea level near the ocean?

Musta been something in the Gumbo! :D

[SteveB]

I really hope New Orleans doesn't take a hit from this hurricane. That place has had enough misery to last several lifetimes.
I actually went there for a 2 week vacation back in the early 80s and ended up staying 6 months. One of the best times of my life. It is such a beautiful place. Didn't hurt that I met a girl from a very wealthy family and started dating her while I was there. I wouldn't mind moving back there if I am ever in the position to do it.

[zippyjuan]

There is another one coming behind Gustov which could hit there as well- Hanna. One hurricane? Maybe I go back- especially if I loved the area. A second hurricane in your lifetime- maybe time to move away. Three in three years?

Then there is the question about drilling for oil off in the Gulf of Mexico- with the risk that your platforms get knocked out by a hurricane. Katrina damaged or destroyed 30 and closed nine refineries. Drilling one well there can cost $100 million- whether or not it yields any oil.

[guiseppewv]

Houdini.......Ruunnnnnn! :D


By the way, I wonder where H has been.

He has been AWOL for a while. Has anyone heard from him lately?

[uncledaddy]

He has been AWOL for a while. Has anyone heard from him lately?




Just hope he isn't sticking around there since there's another coming behind.

[Thesifer]

Last I heard, Hanna was expected to hit Florida, or north of.. Did something change that I didn't see? NHC.Noaa or whatever still has it turning north soon.

I wouldn't live in a City below Sea-Level if you were paying me extra. Some people say its because the people are poor etc etc. But obviously it's not just that, since there are wealthy people there as well. Just dumb to live there in my opinion.

[DarkFury]

Why'd they decide to put a city below sea level near the ocean?
So are you gonna evacuate the entire Gulf Coast?

Most cities on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico are below sea level. My hometown of Pensacola is included on that list.

[DarkFury]

This should probably be in the political forum but.....

I couldn't agree with you more. It amazes me that it someone else's fault. It amazes me the devastation caused by natural disasters in the midwest this summer without all the bitching a griping that occurred in NO after Katrina. They were hit just as hard and support has been slower to get to them but I don't see the press up in arms about that. :shrug:
Honestly, the Midwest WASN'T devastated quite as completely as Katrina did to NO... There was a big difference on the scale of magnitude of what happened in those places (The Typhoon/Tsunami victims in Asia were pretty much the only folks who I think got devastated worse than what happened during Katrina).

[guiseppewv]

Ok, I do agree that Katrina was hit harder. It was incorrect when I said otherwise. My intent was not to diminish the tragedy that wither area has endured.

The main differences are 1) the leadership in the state/counties/cities of Iowa compared to the leadership in NO and La at the time, 2) the fact that people evacuated like the were supposed to, and 3) people were prepared because they knew (as the people in NO knew there was a chance of a hurricane hitting them that summer) there was a chance they would be hit by a flood. Also, a majority of the people in the midwest had to wait for help to arrive because the devastation occurred over an area larger than NO. What did people in Iowa do? Did they loot? No, they gathered together and helped each other out instead of complaining and blaming it on someone else.

Also, I think there are some natural disasters that have occurred in the recent past that have been WAY worse than Katrina. The tsunami that you mentioned is one of them that was WAY WAY WAY worse (~2k deaths from Katrina compared to ~275k from the tsunami and they are still counting). The earthquake in China on 12 May is another one that was WAY worse - Katrina doesn't even hold a candle to the death brought about in China (~20k in deaths compared to ~2k for Katrina). The 2005 Kashmir earthquake (~90k deaths). Not saying you don't already know this, just trying to point it out for the benefit of those that don't. 2003 earthquake in Iran (~25k deaths). 2006 Indonesian earthquake (~6k deaths). Europe lost ~20k in the heat wave of 2003. Katrina is far from having a lock on devastation.

[Thesifer]

So are you gonna evacuate the entire Gulf Coast?

Most cities on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico are below sea level. My hometown of Pensacola is included on that list.


Just look at this Google Hack Map that shows what happens if Sea Levels rise by certain amounts.. Louisiana is definitely the lowest..

Theres a reason they have to have tons of Levees, they are one of the Lowest areas and the area should be submerged in water. Pensacola does NOT have that same setup.

http://flood.firetree.net/

[DarkFury]

Just look at this Google Hack Map that shows what happens if Sea Levels rise by certain amounts.. Louisiana is definitely the lowest..

Theres a reason they have to have tons of Levees, they are one of the Lowest areas and the area should be submerged in water. Pensacola does NOT have that same setup.

http://flood.firetree.net/
Are you arguing semantics?

All I'm saying is... the majority of the coast is below sea level and what happened to NO could happen anywhere on the coastline.

I've seen my fair share of hurricanes when I was still living in Pensacola, so I pretty much know what to expect down there (still, living in the Midwest, I'm in "Tornado Alley"... so I could get blown away here at anytime.... think I'm gonna move because of that? Nope... I just have to deal with the circumstances I suppose. :D )

BTW.. do you know why the levees are there? If not... here is why: New Orleans is on the border of two lakes, The Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain.. the levees are there to keep those lakes from surging and flooding the city. If New Orleans wasn't where it is, then where you would place a port to get many of the goods that are shipped into America from ships that dock there?

In Pensacola and other Gulf Coast communities that have large bodies of fresh water (lakes and streams) there is reasonable flooding when storms come through... however since Pensacola and other Gulf Coast cities are not as densely populated as NO, you really don't hear much about the numbers of families who are flooded out when the storm season arrives. NO is an exception due to its size and importance to this country.

This is why I disagree with your assessement above.

[DarkFury]

Ok, I do agree that Katrina was hit harder. It was incorrect when I said otherwise. My intent was not to diminish the tragedy that wither area has endured.

The main differences are 1) the leadership in the state/counties/cities of Iowa compared to the leadership in NO and La at the time, 2) the fact that people evacuated like the were supposed to, and 3) people were prepared because they knew (as the people in NO knew there was a chance of a hurricane hitting them that summer) there was a chance they would be hit by a flood. Also, a majority of the people in the midwest had to wait for help to arrive because the devastation occurred over an area larger than NO. What did people in Iowa do? Did they loot? No, they gathered together and helped each other out instead of complaining and blaming it on someone else.

Also, I think there are some natural disasters that have occurred in the recent past that have been WAY worse than Katrina. The tsunami that you mentioned is one of them that was WAY WAY WAY worse (~2k deaths from Katrina compared to ~275k from the tsunami and they are still counting). The earthquake in China on 12 May is another one that was WAY worse - Katrina doesn't even hold a candle to the death brought about in China (~20k in deaths compared to ~2k for Katrina). The 2005 Kashmir earthquake (~90k deaths). Not saying you don't already know this, just trying to point it out for the benefit of those that don't. 2003 earthquake in Iran (~25k deaths). 2006 Indonesian earthquake (~6k deaths). Europe lost ~20k in the heat wave of 2003. Katrina is far from having a lock on devastation.
I understand that other disasters were worse. My anaology was a comparison of scale between the Midwest and Katrina ... like comparing Katrina to the Tsunami. It was not a display of every disaster that has hit the Earth that was worse. That is all I was trying to say.

[sbp]

Houdini.......Ruunnnnnn! :D


By the way, I wonder where H has been.Not trying to spread a forum rumor, but I really think Houdini got himself a girlfriend. That's right he abandoned us for some smokin' hot chick. I mean what can she offer we can't? Now (and knowing some here well enough) you might automatically think keep him warm at night. But hey we can get someone here to post something which will accomplish the same thing. Or not.

[uncledaddy]

Not trying to spread a forum rumor, but I really think Houdini got himself a girlfriend. That's right he abandoned us for some smokin' hot chick. I mean what can she offer we can't? Now (and knowing some here well enough) you might automatically think keep him warm at night. But hey we can get someone here to post something which will accomplish the same thing. Or not.

:laugh: Well, if he did, then good for him. I'd probably do the same. but drop in every now and then to say hi. "Or not". :D

Depending on how warm I'm being kept. :D

[Houdini]

Hi all,

I'm alive and well. Just have been very busy lately with the job search, etc. Finished residency, even though I had to make up a couple of months of vacation (long story,) and all these frustrating setbacks keep hitting me, from credentialing delays, to malpractice insurance setup, to contracts, etc.

As of now, I should be receiving a contract, hopefully tomorrow, at a local hospital to run a bunch of psych facilities and programs. Hours aren't too bad, the pay is pretty good, and I'll be able to bill for my own private patients while I work there.

Problem is, the hospital lawyer who was finalizing my contract evacuated a few days before everyone else prior to Gustav, which was another time setback.

That, and my computer completely crapped out right before Gustav, compelling me to buy a new one.

So hopefully tomorrow (Monday,) everything will come together. If not, it should this week.

I did have a nice hurrication - headed up to the Smoky Mountains (to a cabin in Gatlinburg) with my girlfriend, and a buddy of mine, his wife, and their baby. Nice escape from NOLA for a few days. Then I crashed with my parents in MS for a couple of days before returning tonight.

But none of that will qualify as a good excuse to stay away for so long. I miss you guys. I don't know how much I'll be around for the next couple of weeks, with the new job and possibly another hurrication, if Ike keeps heading this way.

Btw, I was on the MS Gulf Coast about 100 miles from NOLA when Katrina hit. The weird thing is that the media really focused on NOLA, and it should, because of all the damage and all the incompetence of the people in charge. But in all reality, the hurricane (Katrina) actually hit the MS gulf coast. 200+ year-old houses in Biloxi, for example, were reduced to slabs. New Orleans got lots of flooding and some wind, primarily because of the geography, but MS took the full brunt of the storm.

Anyway, I'll check in from time to time, and get back to posting regularly.

H

[renovation]

from what im understanding as of tonight. the newest storm Ike see picture http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/025730.shtml?5day?large#contents
just may hit them in LA :(

now if this is true or not i can't say. but i have heard if the Levees were to break from the last hurricane or IKE the one that may hit next .that the goverment plans on not repairing them again !now this maybe if there is major damage only but this is rumors im hearing.

[zippyjuan]

Welcome back Houdini! Sounds like you have been extremely busy. Easy to understand not having time to visit here.

[uncledaddy]

Hey, H, how ya been? Guess there isn't some hot babe occupying your time? ;) :D Good to hear from you. Congrats on the career. Stay safe. UD

[Thesifer]

Looks like Ike is going to either hit Texas or NO. Lucky for Tampa Bay it seems as I watched a disturbing video on TB today that said if they were hit with a strong Cat 4 or above storm, it would pretty much destroy the city completely, and most people probably wouldn't evacuate.

[Jeffbx]

Looks like it already smashed its way through Haiti & Cuba...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/world/americas/08ike.html

Sad...

[The Happy Squirrel]

hey there H. Well one back. As for the storms. Here comes ike

[DarkFury]

hey there H. Well one back. As for the storms. Here comes ike
Is he lookin' for Tina? :eek:

:heh:

[guiseppewv]

Is he lookin' for Tina? :eek:

:heh:

Nope, he is looking for Mike! :D ;)

[uncledaddy]

Is he lookin' for Tina? :eek:

:heh:


Nope, he is looking for Mike! :D ;)

:laugh:

[ufcrusher]

Yep...Ike is a storm to take seriously. If the track looks likely to hit NO, its time to take another Hurrication.

I know I didnt go to my friends Bachelor party so I could prep for Ike hitting us...fortunately it was a non-issue. Unfortunately, it was a non-issue so my friend is a bit annoyed.

[uncledaddy]

Yep...Ike is a storm to take seriously. If the track looks likely to hit NO, its time to take another Hurrication.

I know I didnt go to my friends Bachelor party so I could prep for Ike hitting us...fortunately it was a non-issue. Unfortunately, it was a non-issue so my friend is a bit annoyed.

Man, sorry to hear, so you didn't go after all. But you never know right? Could have been worse and if you had gone.....