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Markel
09-01-2008, 08:08 PM
Should be interesting - competition for IE and Mozilla.
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26499328)

Google plans to launch Web browser
Free browser supposed to be available for downloading Tuesday

Google is releasing its own Web browser in a long-anticipated move aimed at countering the dominance of Microsoft's Internet Explorer and ensuring easy access to its market-leading search engine.

The Mountain View-based company took the unusual step of announcing its latest product on the Labor Day holiday after it prematurely sent out a comic book drawn up to herald the new browser's arrival.

The free browser, called "Chrome," is supposed to be available for downloading Tuesday in more than 100 countries for computers running on Microsoft's Windows operating system. Google said it's still working on versions compatible with Apple's Mac computer and the Linux operating system.

Google's browser is expected to hit the market a week after Microsoft's unveiling of a test version of its latest browser update, Internet Explorer 8. The tweaks include more tools for Web surfers to cloak their online preferences, creating a shield that could make it more difficult for Google and other marketing networks to figure out which ads are most likely to appeal to which individuals.

Although Google is using a cartoonish approach to promote Chrome, the new browser underscores the gravity of Google's rivalry with Microsoft, whose Internet Explorer is used by about 75 percent of Web surfers.

Google's lead in the lucrative Internet search market is nearly as commanding, with its engine processing nearly two-thirds of the Web's queries.

For the past few years, Google has been trying to take advantage of its search engine's popularity to loosen Microsoft's grip on how most people interact with personal computers.

The assault so far has been focused on a bundle of computer programs, including word processing and spreadsheet applications, that Google offers as an alternative to one of Microsoft's biggest money makers, its Office suite of products.

Google has tried to make its alternatives more appealing and accessible by hosting them for free over Internet connections instead of requiring users to pay a licensing fee to install them on individual computers, as Microsoft typically does.

Meanwhile, Microsoft has tried to thwart Google by investing billions in the development of its own search engine and making an unsuccessful attempt to buy Yahoo Inc. for $47.5 billion.

The tensions between Microsoft and Google now seem likely to escalate with Google's foray into Web browsing.

Until now, Google had been trying to undermine Internet Explorer by supporting Firefox, a Web browser developed by the open-source Mozilla Foundation. Bolstered by an advertising partnership with Google's search engine, Firefox ranks as the second most popular browser, with a market share of more than 10 percent. Google recently extended its advertising alliance with Firefox through 2011.

Bearing the stamp of Google's renowned brand, Chrome could be an even more formidable rival to Explorer.

Still, Google's name is no guarantee of success. For instance, Google's instant messaging service hasn't come close to catching up to the market-leading products made by Yahoo, Microsoft and Time Warner Inc.'s AOL.

In a blog post Monday, Google touted Chrome as a more sophisticated Web browser better suited for displaying the dynamic and interactive content blossoming on the Web as people migrate from television, radio and newspapers.

"The Web gets better with more options and innovation," Sundar Pichai, Google's vice president of product management, and Linus Upson, Google's engineering director, wrote in the posting. "Google Chrome is another option, and we hope it contributes to making the Web even better."

Microsoft brushed aside the threat in a statement Monday from Dean Hachamovitch, Internet Explorer's general manager.

"The browser landscape is highly competitive, but people will choose Internet Explorer 8 for the way it puts the services they want right at their fingertips ... and, more than any other browsing technology, puts them in control of their personal data online," Hachamovitch said.

Even as it has backed Firefox, Google has openly fretted about the possible ramifications of Microsoft's huge lead in Web browsing.

Google is worried that Microsoft could abuse its power by manipulating Internet Explorer's default settings in a way that might diminish traffic to Google's search engine, which serves as the hub of the largest online ad network.

In 2006, Google contacted the Justice Department to raise alarms about changes to Internet Explorer that Google believed made it more difficult to install search toolbars made by Microsoft's rivals. Although regulators decided not to intervene, Microsoft subsequently modified the way Explorer handled the selection of search toolbars.

nate el bueno
09-01-2008, 10:34 PM
people actually use IE:gle:

uncledaddy
09-01-2008, 11:31 PM
people actually use IE:gle:

Yeah, that is funny, but I guess I'm one. Isn't there sites that won't work with any other browser or that are primarily designed for IE. I know my student website recommends IE, though it works fine with Firefox. I wonder why the recommendation. I try to stay away from IE but certain sites that I stream radio from won't work with Firefox. :shrug:

Jeffbx
09-02-2008, 05:19 AM
I use both, but have better luck with IE. Probably because my company writes everything for IE!

This should be interesting. I'll also be interested in seeing what goodies they put in IE8. Looks interesting so far:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/

InfiniteNothing
09-02-2008, 07:43 AM
Is it out yet?

Airencracken
09-02-2008, 08:42 AM
"Consuming twice as much RAM as Firefox and saturating the CPU with nearly six times as many execution threads, Microsoft's latest beta release of Internet Explorer 8 is in fact more demanding on your PC than Windows XP itself, research firm Devil Mountain Software found in performance tests. Accroding to the firm, which operates a community-based testing network, IE8 Beta 2 consumed 380MB of RAM and spawned 171 concurrent threads during a multi-tab browsing test of popular Web destinations. InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy speculates that Microsoft may be designing IE8 for the multicore future. But until your machine sports four or eight discrete processing cores, IE8 will remain 'porcine,' Devil Mountain's Craig Barth says."

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/02/1418252

Meh. IE8 is completely uninteresting for me (especially since I run Linux 90% of the time)

This google browser is also fairly meh. I don't see any reason to switch from Firefox.

attgig
09-02-2008, 09:04 AM
I've been getting annoyed at firefox in general. If I have it open all day, then, ram ussage goes to over 150megs easily, and begins to take over too many cpu cycles. I'd love to find a good browser that manages memory better. obviously ie8 isn't it if the slashdot link is real.

And I know, it may not necessarily be Firefox's fault, but rather the webpages that didn't code correctly. But how about a garbage collect button, instead of forcing me to restart every couple hours?

brainsmile
09-02-2008, 11:58 AM
Chrome is supposed to be superior since when the browser locks up you can just close one window instead of the entire browser application

InfiniteNothing
09-02-2008, 12:11 PM
I've been getting annoyed at firefox in general. If I have it open all day, then, ram ussage goes to over 150megs easily, and begins to take over too many cpu cycles. I'd love to find a good browser that manages memory better. obviously ie8 isn't it if the slashdot link is real.

And I know, it may not necessarily be Firefox's fault, but rather the webpages that didn't code correctly. But how about a garbage collect button, instead of forcing me to restart every couple hours?

Yeah, I've had it creep up to a gig+ a couple times.

Airencracken
09-02-2008, 12:51 PM
The separate process per tab looks interesting as does the garbage collection, but I'm wondering how they'll handle add-ons. Somehow I doubt they'll have an adblock.

Adblock makes the web usable.

Also its currently only for windows. Since I use linux most of the time, I can't use it anyways. They say a linux version is forthcoming, but I'm hoping its a native port, not a version compiled against wine like what they did with picasa.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030522-2.html


Moments ago, Google went live with its Chrome Web Browser. I immediately clicked download, but not before I saved a copy of its terms of service. I like to know what I am agreeing to.

Here's a few things that stood out to me.

1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.

This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.

"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."

2. Although you retain any copyrights to content you own and use in the browser, Google says it has a right to display some of your content, in conjunction with promoting its services. Here's there exact wording.

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

3. Don't be surprised to see more ads.

Traditionally, it is Web pages and not the browser itself that serves ads. Google isn't saying it will change this paradigm, but it's terms of service don't rule that out either.

"Some of the services are supported by advertising revenue and may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be targeted to the content of information stored on the services, queries made through the services or other information.

The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the services are subject to change without specific notice to you."

Also worth paying attention to are the settings when you install it. By default, Chrome will add all manner of shortcuts, so if you don't want it to do that, be sure to click "customize these settings." Of note, it does not make itself the default browser without a user agreeing to do so.

Interesting.

InfiniteNothing
09-02-2008, 04:32 PM
Poke-ball GOOOO!
No, but really, so far I love Chrome.

Markel
09-02-2008, 05:08 PM
I gave it a try, but it wouldn't let me reply to a post so I immediately fired up Firefox.

mcs328
09-02-2008, 06:13 PM
I don't see any way to look at my imported bookmarks. Some pages are faster and some pages are slower. I'll play around with it some more.

Jcranmer
09-02-2008, 07:00 PM
I don't see any way to look at my imported bookmarks. Some pages are faster and some pages are slower. I'll play around with it some more.

If you find it let me know. Right now that is my biggest issue with it. I can only see a few under the address bar, but rest of them, I have no idea where to find them.

mechmike0034
09-03-2008, 03:59 AM
Also its currently only for windows. Since I use linux most of the time, I can't use it anyways.

http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux

pd123
09-03-2008, 05:30 AM
It runs faster for me but my password manager, Roboform, does not support Google browser.

Airencracken
09-03-2008, 07:44 AM
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux

Interesting. I'll take a look at it. Perhaps I can even contribute. Not to mention that if I just use the source their legal mumbo jumbo about having rights to my content goes out the door.

bachviet
09-03-2008, 07:59 AM
Post this using Google Chrome. It works like a charm to me but it doesn't import my password from FF v3.

InfiniteNothing
09-03-2008, 09:37 AM
The individual threading thing is awesome. It means you can quit your browser and open a new window at the same time. Also, javascript seems much improved speed wise.

pd123
09-03-2008, 09:58 AM
According to tech support for Roboform, password manager doesn't and won't work in the future, "We're sorry but this is not possible due to the browser engine that Google chose, WebKit, which cannot be integrated with, same as Safari".
That's a dealbreaker for me.

GraingerGuy
09-03-2008, 04:42 PM
Hmmmm....I'm using it right now and it seems really fast. Impressed so far.

Markel
09-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Last night (when I wasn't browsing) Chrome (actually, Google Updater or some such name) wanted to access the internet (see - a software firewall that monitors outbound traffic is good! :)). I noticed two instances of it in task manager and killed the processes. This morning when I sat down at my computer ZoneAlarm was again warning me of the same process wanting outbound access. With that, I uninstalled Chrome for good. Anything that tries to "call home" on it's own schedule with no good reason is not to be trusted, in my book.

Jcranmer
09-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Anyone try to uninstall it yet? I guess you might call this a bit of an easter egg. :shrug:

http://www.ourmedstats.com/pics/chrome.JPG

Markel
09-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Anyone try to uninstall it yet? I guess you might call this a bit of an easter egg. :shrug:
Yeah, I saw that and went ahead and told them why I was removing their potential spyware.

Jcranmer
09-03-2008, 07:11 PM
Are you talking about the rather broadly stated EULA or something else? They have changed the EULA now.

Jcranmer
09-03-2008, 07:21 PM
If you find it let me know. Right now that is my biggest issue with it. I can only see a few under the address bar, but rest of them, I have no idea where to find them.

I know this wasn't there yesterday. I guess it is one of the things it does, is tunes itself over the course of use. I now get a folder that has all my bookmarks, as well as a frame with my most recently visited ones. I'm also getting the thumbnails for the most visited sites.

Anyway here is what I am seeing today:

http://www.ourmedstats.com/pics/bookmark.JPG

Sorry for what hasto read like a drukken post. It's better, I took my ambiaen a little too early....Now I'm just not sleepy, i'm damn high.....Good stuff....Oh cource I won't remember typing this in the morning. Ambiaen = Good Stuff. :cheers:

Devhux
09-03-2008, 09:18 PM
Are you talking about the rather broadly stated EULA or something else? They have changed the EULA now.

That's not the only thing -- apparently Google has the right to store information that you type into the Omnibox even if you don't press Enter (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0)

I will not install Chrome at all.

Jeffbx
09-04-2008, 04:30 AM
Yeah, I saw that and went ahead and told them why I was removing their potential spyware.

That's one thing I don't like about Google is that stinking updater. No matter how many ways I remove it, it still finds its way back into my system...

mechmike0034
09-04-2008, 03:29 PM
That's not the only thing -- apparently Google has the right to store information that you type into the Omnibox even if you don't press Enter (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0)

I will not install Chrome at all.

http://lifehacker.com/5045454/take-back-your-privacy-from-googles-omnibox

mechmike0034
09-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Google Chrome Anonymizer (http://blog.gjl-network.net/blog/index.php?archives/166-English.html&serendipity[lang_selected]=en)



"Google's new browser "Chrome" has raised a big wave of people that mistrust the new browser. A big point for this is the unique ID that will be assigned to the user's installation of Chrome. Because of that I wrote a small tool that automatically deletes the unique Client ID before each run of Google Chrome."


(Translated from German...)

ArkiStan
09-11-2008, 10:44 AM
So what have people's impressions been of Chrome so far? I've been waiting for some more feedback and reviews before installing it. Is it worth it? It will obviously never become my main browser due to the potential security issues (although they do seem to be getting ironed out), but for casual browsing the enhanced speed sounds appealing.

I already use 3 different browsers: Opera for 99% casual browsing. Firefox for gmail and bank accounts. IE for the occasional stupid website that will only work in IE. Is it worth adding yet another to my arsenal??

Jcranmer
09-11-2008, 02:57 PM
It's nice, but it's a little too "light" for me. I am still using firefox and don't think I'll switch any time soon.

attgig
09-12-2008, 01:02 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5045454/take-back-your-privacy-from-googles-omnibox
after clicking through a couple deep:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-communication/

some info as to what gets sent.

mechmike0034
09-12-2008, 03:24 PM
after clicking through a couple deep:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-communication/

some info as to what gets sent.

Great link! Thanks!

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w258/ytownzinks/afdbsmiley.gif

hotbatch
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
I feel like once Chrome gets the same range of plug-ins as Firefox it will be killer.