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johnnymk
09-05-2008, 04:29 AM
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/NEWS/809050412/-1/nletter05&source=nletter-news

Like many parents, Michele Battista wants her 16-year-old son, a Colts Neck High School student, to bring his cellular phone to school so the two can communicate and coordinate transportation after the last bell rings.

Though school ends at the same time every day of the week, football practice schedules, after-school club meetings, and rides home from friends are all subject to change, she said.

The vast majority of 15- to 17-year-olds, 50 to 70 percent of 12- to 14-year-olds, and, now, a number of 5- to 9-year-olds have their own wireless phones, according to a May 2007 report from iGR, which researches wireless and mobile technology.

And those numbers are likely to increase.

As more teens and tweens own cell phones, schools have adopted policies on usage. Most area public schools recognize cell phones as a modern necessity and allow the phones in school if they remain turned off and out of sight, but officials say these gadgets do more than make phone calls nowadays.

Aside from becoming an obvious distraction in class, high-tech cell phones can have nefarious uses — students can use their cell phones to take pictures of fellow students in locker rooms; send text messages to bully a fellow classmate; use them as calculators, or even to cheat on a test.

The Freehold Regional High School Board of Education recently adopted a new cell-phone policy. Their solution: prohibit cell phones to leave students' lockers until the standard school day ends.

Some districts, such as Wall, have added a provision to their rules, banning phones with cameras from school grounds.

Some phones can download educational-based programs, such as a graphing calculator application for $5.

In Toms River, where students must keep their phones off and away, the calculator excuse will not pass muster.

"No means no. We cannot send mixed messages," said Toms River Regional School District Superintendent Michael J. Ritacco.

The old turned-off, out-of-sight policy has not worked for Freehold Regional High School district, spokeswoman Ilse Whisner said.

"It's an addiction," she said. Students can text with phones held behind their backs or in their pockets, she said. "Kids have become so adept at using their phones . . . that the old policy isn't sufficient."

Freehold Regional's locker policy grates on Battista. She worries the policy will increase the number of thefts from lockers, which, she said, fills the Colts Neck police blotter every school year. She suggests that better enforcement of the prior policy would have been a better solution.

Whisner said that fears of theft as a result of the new policy are exaggerated. Most stolen items are in gym lockers or a result of sharing locker combinations or leaving lockers open, she said.

The district requires that cell phones remain in hallway lockers, which should stay locked with unshared lock combinations, Whisner said. She added that the district encourages students to leave all valuables, including cell phones, at home.

Regardless of these policies, Battista said her son will keep his phone with him during the school day. If he doesn't use it, and no one sees it, the only difference is that there is less chance it will be stolen, she said.

Whisner said that there is a difference.

"We're not going to tell our kids to defy the policy," she said.

While educators agree that phones can impede the learning process through distractions and cheating, cell phones can also be used as an education tool.

If used correctly, phones with cameras, Internet access and other accessories could complement an education in practical and creative ways, New Jersey Education Association spokeswoman Kathy Coulibaly said.

For example, school newspapers or journalism courses could make use of cameras and Web logs, she said.

"If students could demonstrate there would be practical applications to use in learning, they should take those concerns to administrators, who would make their decisions based upon" preserving academic integrity and maximizing learning potential, she said.

WhiskeyPapa
09-05-2008, 08:59 AM
I'm actually surprised cell phones haven't been banned in schools from the beginning. There is no reason a kid in school needs to be in constant contact.

InfiniteNothing
09-05-2008, 09:37 AM
If I recall correctly, California has a law that allows cellphones to be on between periods and at lunch.

bachviet
09-05-2008, 10:14 AM
Remind me of the good old days when pagers were banned in school.

DarkFury
09-05-2008, 10:31 AM
Kids don't need phones in school... if they need to contact someone, they should head down to the main office and make their phone call.

VTGreg
09-05-2008, 10:56 AM
Kids don't need phones in school... if they need to contact someone, they should head down to the main office and make their phone call.

:stupid:

What ever did we do without cell phones? How was it possible to coordinate what time kids got picked up or who was giving them a ride home? It's amazing kids used to get home from school.

WhiskeyPapa
09-05-2008, 11:39 AM
Remind me of the good old days when pagers were banned in school.When I was in school, this is what was banned:

http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Mattel/Mattel-Football.jpg

Markel
09-05-2008, 11:40 AM
When I was in school, this is what was banned:

When I was in school, the calculator hadn't even been invented yet! (yeah, we used slide rules)

BTW, I think the policy at my kids' high school is that if a cell phone is seen during school it is automatically confiscated and a detention issued.

DarkFury
09-05-2008, 11:49 AM
When I was in school, the calculator hadn't even been invented yet! (yeah, we used slide rules)
Hey.. are you sure that wasn't actually an abacus you were using. :heh:

Markel
09-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Hey.. are you sure that wasn't actually an abacus you were using. :heh:
Actually, my computer science prof in college was quite fond of (and very proficient with) the abacus.

BTW, I think the "Bomar Brain" came out somewhere around my sophomore year of college.

DarkFury
09-05-2008, 01:19 PM
Was that around the time they were teaching sanskrit in language classes? :heh:

zippyjuan
09-05-2008, 03:10 PM
I came through school at a technological transitional point. My physics teacher tried to teach us how to use a slide rule. My first calculator was in Junior High and even could do square roots! On sale for $75- but you could not use it in school. In high school the technology was changing too. We had two computers when I started- one used punch cards (don't mess up the order or your program will not work!) and one used a hole punched tape (careful not to tear it!). They had printers- not monitor screens. By my senior year we had some which used the large floppys. There was some new game called "Asteroids".

My nephew is starting this fall at a military school and he is not allowed any electronics. Second semester they can have a popcorn popper in their room and a telephone- but one of those which connects to a jack in the wall. No cells or Ipods.

DarkFury
09-05-2008, 06:47 PM
When I was in school, this is what was banned:

http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Mattel/Mattel-Football.jpg
I had one of those...

TOUCHDOWN!!!! (avoid the red lines. :heh: )

DaFunkyUnit
09-06-2008, 09:52 AM
goddam you guys are old!

johnnymk
09-06-2008, 10:34 AM
Actually, my computer science prof in college was quite fond of (and very proficient with) the abacus.

I used a slide rule at Drexel Institute of Technology until the day I graduated.

Markel
09-06-2008, 10:59 AM
I used a slide rule at Drexel Institute of Technology until the day I graduated.
Just last week we were doing some cleanup in the basement and I found my Pickett N4-ES (http://www.sliderule.ca/pickett.htm) slide rule. I really liked that thing back in the day. I used it most of my way through college.

During my freshman and sophomore years, the physics department had a nifty Friden electronic calculator that had a CRT with a 4-deep stack, a single memory, +,-,*,/, and (the big addition, as the equivalent in the chemistry department lacked it) square root function. The thing cost $3,000 back then. It was bolted down to a table. :heh: I once found a sequence that would send the CRT just scrolling through random numbers - I called the physics professor over and he about croaked when he saw it (as he thought I had broken it).

hapoo
09-07-2008, 05:00 AM
coordinate pickups? They should do what I used to do back in the day. Call home collect and in the portion where your supposed to say your name just shout: "momitsmecomepickmeup!" :D

guiseppewv
09-07-2008, 07:28 AM
:heh: You all are funny. My first "real" calculator was the HP 48SX

People were amazed that it could do integration on it. It was pretty awesome. It was a little difficult at first to input things in RPL format. I think I still have this calculator somewhere.

nate el bueno
09-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Well, since I am not half a century or older, I can only comment on all the cellphone talk and not the calculator stuff. Cellphones were more of a fashion statement my freshman/sophomore year of high school. You were cool if you had one. I bet I sound old and mature now, huh?

renovation
09-07-2008, 12:39 PM
when i was in high school around 1971 the first LED watch were just coming out. wholesale they sell for around $175.00 to $225.00 for a red LED. all it did was tell you time of day. the extra $50 bucks was for it to have a extra button on the side so you could see the seconds.
these were about only avail in mens style about 2 inch x 1 1/2wide and 1/2 inch thick. if someone owned one they had money to burn .it was not for like 2 years after that they were priced for the common folk. then about that time maybe 6 to 12 months later LED watchs were avail.if you wore a long sleeve shirt you and a hard time buttoning the sleeves these were larg and heavy watchs ! i remember when lcd pocket calculators first came out .they only had a max of 8 digit and you could only +,-,X,/ and if some one could do tricks on them like spell SHELL when turned upside down you thought they were special ! 1973 or 1974 if time serves me right

Markel
09-07-2008, 03:43 PM
i remember when lcd pocket calculators first came out .they only had a max of 8 digit and you could only +,-,X,/ and if some one could do tricks on them like spell SHELL when turned upside down you thought they were special ! 1973 or 1974 if time serves me right
I think the first ones were LED (LCD was a bit later). I worked one job that had one of the first HP calculators that could work in base 8 (this one could do numbers to the right of the decimal in base 8, which was very useful because we were working on numerical controls for machines that had to do some interesting precision). The thing was a monster (something like 8 D cell nicad batteries, and a Nixie tube display for the digits) - cost $250 or so. A couple of years later (around 1980) HP came out with a much more "normal" calculator that could do octal or hex conversions.

renovation
09-07-2008, 08:28 PM
I think the first ones were LED (LCD was a bit later).opps your right.they had a red led and you had to look right down on the unit .if you looked from a angle all you see was a red glow.

WhiskeyPapa
09-08-2008, 06:59 AM
coordinate pickups? They should do what I used to do back in the day. Call home collect and in the portion where your supposed to say your name just shout: "momitsmecomepickmeup!" :DI played that game! Except for me (since it was a live operator and not the thing that records you) I'd place a person-to-person collect call. The operator would call my mom and ask for the person - my mom would say they're not in, and that was her signal to come pick me up.

Life wasn't so tough before cell phones.

Maarchk
09-09-2008, 04:55 PM
Well, since I am not half a century or older, I can only comment on all the cellphone talk and not the calculator stuff. Cellphones were more of a fashion statement my freshman/sophomore year of high school. You were cool if you had one. I bet I sound old and mature now, huh?

half a century?
I'm 27 and in college, there was maybe 10% of students that had them. Campus Security accosted a man on a headset because the wire was small and went under his shirt and we honestly thought he was crazy and talking to himself...

Freaking kids these days... no respect.

SteveB
09-09-2008, 08:23 PM
When I started school the only calculators we had were on our hands but if you had a long problem you could take your shoes off.
To me the best thing about a cell phone is that they have an off button. Too bad more people can't find theirs. My opinion of cells has changed recently though. I got a BlackBerry Curve and love it. Now I can find out how much money I've lost on the stock market before I get home to check it on the computer.