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zippyjuan

12-13-2008, 07:02 PM

Looks like it will be the dueling Heisman quarterbacks in the matchup for the national title in college football this year.
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11170281

Slingin' Sammy: Oklahoma QB Bradford wins Heisman Trophy
Dec. 13, 2008
CBSSports.com wire reports

NEW YORK -- Sam Bradford's biggest score: the Heisman Trophy.

Oklahoma's amazingly accurate and quick-thinking quarterback won the Heisman on Saturday night after guiding the highest-scoring team in major college football history to the national championship game.

Bradford is the second straight sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy. (AP)
A year after Tim Tebow became the first sophomore to win the Heisman, Bradford became the second and kept the Florida quarterback from joining Archie Griffin as the only two-time winners.

Bradford, who leads the nation in touchdown passes with 48, received 1,726 points. Texas quarterback Colt McCoy was second with 1,604 and Tebow -- who received the most first-place votes -- was third with 1,575 points.

"I was definitely surprised and I think it's everything I imagined," said Bradford, who raised the 25-pound bronze statue with his left hand still in a cast from a recent surgery. "I think it will take a couple weeks to set in."

It was the closest vote between the top two since Nebraska's Eric Crouch edged Florida's Rex Grossman by 62 points in 2001. The only other time the margin between first and third was smaller was also '01, when Miami's Ken Dorsey was 142 points behind Crouch.

Bradford and the No. 2 Sooners (12-1) will face Tebow and the No. 1 Gators (12-1) on Jan. 8 in Miami, marking the second time Heisman winners will play against each other. The first was in the 2005 Orange Bowl, when '04 winner Matt Leinart and Southern California beat '03 winner Jason White and Oklahoma for the national title.

Thesifer

12-13-2008, 09:51 PM

w00t.

bachviet

12-14-2008, 01:36 PM

Hopefully for a good and competitive BCS Championship game.

Nija

12-16-2008, 01:25 AM

I'm sorry which no-talent-hack-who-will-fail-in-the-NFL won the trophy this year? Oh that one. Congratulations on obscurity, Sam Bradford!

guiseppewv

12-16-2008, 01:18 PM

Thesifer

12-16-2008, 02:59 PM

Nija

12-16-2008, 11:25 PM

Heisman \= NFL prowess. The Heisman was not created to select the person who will succeed the most in the NFL.....while I am on my soapbox - it was not created to select the best player from one of the best schools, either.
Really? Because every Heisman winning gets his knob polished during the draft, and when he fails everyone says, "But he's a Heisman Trophy winner.."

I also do agree with you in that you should always go to the "best" team in one of the highest ranked schools.

Thesifer

12-17-2008, 03:20 AM

There have been a few heisman winners that have succeeded in the NFL. I havent looked at numbers but it seems like it was 50/50 or something like that.. for a decent to good career.. There's also been a lot of runner up candidates that have done really well.

guiseppewv

12-17-2008, 06:59 AM

Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

Are you talking to me? Not sure since you didn't quote anyone.

Carrying your team to victory is a good indication but if you are surrounded by a great cast it makes it much easier. When you carry your team to victory and there isn't much talent on your team then you are a Heisman winner. Plus running up the score on patsies to pad your stats is another thing the shouldn't count when figuring out who is the Heisman.

Really? Because every Heisman winning gets his knob polished during the draft, and when he fails everyone says, "But he's a Heisman Trophy winner.."

I also do agree with you in that you should always go to the "best" team in one of the highest ranked schools.

Just because teams are stupid doesn't mean it is so. Even the average football fan knows that Heisman /= pro material; just because some teams had idiot leadership doesn't make it a fact. Look at the Steelers or the Patty Cakes - they don't go after the Heisman winners because there are much safer "bets" out there.

Thesifer

12-17-2008, 09:53 PM

Are you talking to me? Not sure since you didn't quote anyone.

Carrying your team to victory is a good indication but if you are surrounded by a great cast it makes it much easier. When you carry your team to victory and there isn't much talent on your team then you are a Heisman winner. Plus running up the score on patsies to pad your stats is another thing the shouldn't count when figuring out who is the Heisman.

Yeah, but sadly the Heisman Voters made it so. Same with having to run up the score for BCS voting. Sad fact of life.

guiseppewv

12-18-2008, 05:30 AM

For everyone:

However, winning the Heisman Trophy does not guarantee future success at the NFL level. Only eight winners of the Heisman are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,[1] but four winners have also been named Most Valuable Player in a Super Bowl. Some other winners have gone on to play in other professionals sports, including Bo Jackson in baseball and Charlie Ward in basketball.

Nija

12-18-2008, 05:36 AM

For everyone:
You're right. It does not. But they always seem to go in the first round, and get paid a crap load of money which is somehow justified by their trophy.

guiseppewv

12-18-2008, 06:04 AM

The world is full of stupid people and I guess a high percentage of the people in charge of the draft, from the teams' perspective, come from that pool. :D

Thesifer

12-18-2008, 02:53 PM

The world is full of stupid people and I guess a high percentage of the people in charge of the draft, from the teams' perspective, come from that pool. :D

One problem with Heisman Winners, isn't necessarily their lack of skill or ability to play in the NFL, (This is all my opinion of course) But it seems to be related to their swelled head after winning. Thinking they are better then everyone etc. Probably doesn't help if they go with that attitude to their new NFL team.

Also probably relates to the so called "Heisman Curse."

One thing I can say about Bradford, I may not know him personally, but he comes off as a pretty level headed kid. I don't think he will let things get to him, but you never know until the time comes.

Which isn't to say he will do awesome in the NFL either, at least currently as far as I could tell, he doesn't even really want to play in the NFL, but I'm sure he won't pass up getting signed for a couple years, who would.

And as Vince Young has done, you can always go back to college when you can't take it anymore.

guiseppewv

12-19-2008, 11:19 AM

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY. :D

Thesifer

12-19-2008, 02:50 PM

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY. :D

Ha, yeah. I sure do hope no one ends up like him. He was a kid that I thought would turn out OK, but I guess he was hiding some more issues under the surface. He had a pretty good rookie season though.

Nija

12-20-2008, 03:13 AM

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY. :D
Yeah give him two years to fail :P

VTGreg

12-21-2008, 05:42 PM

You're right. It does not. But they always seem to go in the first round, and get paid a crap load of money which is somehow justified by their trophy.

There are plenty of heisman winners that don't end up being high draft picks. Many of them tend to be quarterbacks who were prolific in college but don't have the measurables to be high draft picks (or even drafted at all in some cases). Some examples are Troy Smith, Jason White, Charlie Ward, Gino Torreta and Eric Crouch.

FWIW, recent heisman winners have fared relatively well in the NFL.

Thesifer

12-21-2008, 06:04 PM

There are plenty of heisman winners that don't end up being high draft picks. Many of them tend to be quarterbacks who were prolific in college but don't have the measurables to be high draft picks (or even drafted at all in some cases). Some examples are Troy Smith, Jason White, Charlie Ward, Gino Torreta and Eric Crouch.

FWIW, recent heisman winners have fared relatively well in the NFL.

Yeah, but Jason White got a chain of Sooner/OSU Cowboy Stores out of the deal. :) Not directly related to that, but in a way it is.

zenbooty

12-21-2008, 08:27 PM

Its funny that John Heisman was an offensive lineman. Today he would never even have a chance of winning his own trophy!

Thesifer

12-22-2008, 01:12 AM

Its funny that John Heisman was an offensive lineman. Today he would never even have a chance of winning his own trophy!

Yeah, its been years since someone besides a running back / Quarterback have won. There are only like Two guys from Defense as well.

guiseppewv

12-22-2008, 05:28 PM

I think C. Woodson is the only person who was primarily a defensive player who won the Heisman.

VTGreg

12-22-2008, 07:24 PM

I think C. Woodson is the only person who was primarily a defensive player who won the Heisman.

Yep. Although there were two winners that played the end position, whatever that means. (Larry Keller in 1936 and Leon Hart in 1949)

ufcrusher

12-24-2008, 10:56 PM

Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

ROFLMAO. Everyone who has been here for long enough knows that I am inherently biased here but there is no way that you can say that Bradford is better than Tebow.

Most people who have done the post-Heisman dissection have said that Tebow should have won but he lost due to people being tired of all things Tebow.

Thesifer

12-25-2008, 01:58 AM

ROFLMAO. Everyone who has been here for long enough knows that I am inherently biased here but there is no way that you can say that Bradford is better than Tebow.

Most people who have done the post-Heisman dissection have said that Tebow should have won but he lost due to people being tired of all things Tebow.

I don't like Tebow's "I am Florida" attitude, but I guess that's technically what the heisman is.. in a way.

(Just look up the Heisman card he signed.. and added "I am" above the Florida) He comes off as a cocky college player to me, which I inherently dislike. But overall he isn't a bad QB.

guiseppewv

12-25-2008, 06:36 PM

Funny, I am a dislike all FLA teams type of player but I cannot help but like Tebow. I think his stats are a little padded but as a person you cannot help but like him. Just look at the things he has done off the field.

Nija

12-26-2008, 09:41 AM

I hope he goes the the NFL and changes nothing about how he runs the football.

guiseppewv

01-08-2009, 08:51 PM

Well, as I predicted: OU is defeated!

DarkFury

01-08-2009, 09:10 PM

Thesifer

01-09-2009, 12:13 AM

They also showed what happens when the coach doesn't call good plays. WTF Was with any of that.. Jesus!

DarkFury

01-09-2009, 05:31 AM

They also showed what happens when the coach doesn't call good plays. WTF Was with any of that.. Jesus!
Maybe Stoops has a "soft spot" for his old days when he was an assistant at Florida. :heh:

However, consistently, the SEC has been pretty sucessful against a good number of the "Northern" conferences... therefore, maybe they were just scared coming in. Who knows... :shrug:

zenbooty

01-09-2009, 05:36 AM

SEC is the best football conference, and has been for awhile.

guiseppewv

01-09-2009, 06:31 AM

Tebow just showed a bunch of folks why that Heisman trophy should have been his. :heh:

Pretty much, when things got all mired down at halftime, Tebow took over and took that game from OU.

Congrats Tebow...!!! :D

BTW... guisepewv... so much hate for "all Florida teams". Well well now... Oh well, I guess there is always next year. :heh:

That performance did not show why Tebow deserved the Heisman. He played poorly, at best, in the first half. 2 pickles in one game =/ Heisman candidate, especially when they come against an average D.

DarkFury

01-09-2009, 06:37 AM

That performance did not show why Tebow deserved the Heisman. He played poorly, at best, in the first half. 2 pickles in one game =/ Heisman candidate, especially when they come against an average D.
By that token, neither of them should have it...

However, Tebow did show more grit of taking it more upon himself to get the job done.

Plus you gotta realize, his best receivers were hurt last night.

guiseppewv

01-09-2009, 06:42 AM

By that token, neither of them should have it...

However, Tebow did show more grit of taking it more upon himself to get the job done.

Plus you gotta realize, his best receivers were hurt last night.

I wasn't arguing for Bradford. You said Tebow showed why he deserved the trophy with his performance last night. I disagree. After last night neither of them deserved it but at least Bradford can say he played against a good D. What is Tebow's excuse? He made some very poor decisions in the first half that, if OU was as tough as they were hyped to be, should have been enough to hang an "L" on the Gators. Stoops left too many points on the board and provided the FLA D with confidence after they stopped OU with their goal line stand. The OU coaching was poor at best.

DarkFury

01-09-2009, 08:06 AM

I wasn't arguing for Bradford. You said Tebow showed why he deserved the trophy with his performance last night. I disagree. After last night neither of them deserved it but at least Bradford can say he played against a good D. What is Tebow's excuse? He made some very poor decisions in the first half that, if OU was as tough as they were hyped to be, should have been enough to hang an "L" on the Gators. Stoops left too many points on the board and provided the FLA D with confidence after they stopped OU with their goal line stand. The OU coaching was poor at best.
I implied that he should have had it over Bradford... that's all.

You are reading into it for the rest of your assumption.

But of course I do realize that your words might be swayed by your obvious dislike of Florida to begin with.

Thesifer

01-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Bradford through two picks that came from Receiver drops, Tebow through one pick that Nic Harris jumped his route and took (IE Not the receivers fault) and another one straight to a DEFENSIVE LINEMAN..

In my opinion, a heisman candidate can throw. Also, I haven't confirmed this, but last I heard Bradford had the flu, but since I can't confirm that, and don't think it affected his performance, I'm just throwing it out there.

DarkFury

01-10-2009, 04:34 PM

VTGreg

01-12-2009, 05:45 AM

Neither QB played all that well but Tebow did will UF to a victory in the 2nd half. With that said, Bradford was very accurate when he had time but Florida was able to get pressure on him pretty consistently.

You can't base whether or not someone deserves the heisman on one game.

Thesifer

01-12-2009, 03:26 PM

Yes, I would say that Bradford was accurate... no doubt about that.

Yet, I guess he just isn't quite as "mobile" as Tebow.

I can imagine how some of those middle linebackers and defensive backs felt when they just got ran over by a 240lb quarterback. :heh:

Kinda like that quarterback that played for Oregon... man, he was truckin' folks left and right on the ground. WHOMP WHOMP... big train comin' through... :heh:

Bradford isn't a mobile quarterback, there's no doubt about it. But so far, there hasn't been a successful NFL mobile quarterback that I can think of.. Vick wasn't that bad, if not for the Dog Fighting.. Vince Young started out strong, then went limp. I'm sure there's others, but no one really stands out.

I'm not saying Bradford will do well in the NFL , who knows. don't even know if he is coming out yet, we know Tebow isn't .. For some unknown reason.

DarkFury

01-12-2009, 05:13 PM

Hmmm.. Mobile NFL quarterbacks huh?

Randall Cunningham comes to mind...

Warren Moon comes to mind...

Both were highly sucessful "mobile" quarterbacks...