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johnnymk
02-20-2009, 03:04 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/business/20pontiac.html?th&emc=th

DETROIT — With its history of building muscle cars like the GTO and the low-slung Firebird, Pontiac had good reason to take pride in its best-known marketing slogan from the 1980s, “We Build Excitement.”


Lately it has been using “Pontiac is CAR,” a phrase more likely to catch the attention of grammarians than car buffs.

And on Tuesday, when General Motors asked the federal government for more bailout money, it also announced a reorganization plan that included demoting Pontiac to a “focused niche brand,” signaling that its lineup of vehicles would shrink and that it would no longer be a separate division.

To industry analysts and Pontiac’s longtime fans, the downgrade provides a case study of the product missteps that helped put G.M. in its precarious state, and a reminder of the dangers in straying from a successful formula.

“When you deviate too far from it, that’s when you run into trouble as a brand and a company,” said Jack R. Nerad, executive editorial director at Kelley Blue Book, whose 1968 Firebird made him feel “as cool as I could be.”

More than any other G.M. brand, Pontiac stood for performance, speed and sex appeal. Its crosstown rivals followed with similar muscle cars, giving Detroit bragging rights over the cars that Japanese automakers were selling based on quality and reliability.

Though still G.M.’s third-best-selling division, behind Chevrolet and GMC, Pontiac’s sales peaked in 1984, when it sold almost 850,000 vehicles, roughly four times as many as it sold last year.

G.M.’s chief executive, Rick Wagoner, said the company’s decision to concentrate primarily on Cadillac, Chevrolet, Buick and GMC left the company with a “comprehensive portfolio.”

By many accounts, Pontiac started to falter when G.M. pursued a cost-saving strategy of providing the same cars to different divisions.

It gave Pontiac vehicles like the TransSport minivan, and the Sunbird, Sunfire and Phoenix cars that were barely distinguishable from models sold by Chevrolet and Oldsmobile.

Pontiac also garnered unwanted publicity in 2001 with the Aztek, whose tag line declared, “Quite possibly the most versatile vehicle on the planet.” Its bulky looks landed it on lists of the world’s ugliest cars. Indeed, Aztek won top honors in that category from The Daily Telegraph of London last year.

Pontiac’s current plight is reflected in its Vibe, a well-regarded crossover vehicle that shares underpinnings with the Toyota Matrix, as part of a joint venture between Toyota and G.M.

While the Matrix holds 67 percent of its resale value after three years, according to Kelley Blue Book, the Vibe retains just 54 percent.

The Vibe, whose future is not clear but which was redesigned for 2009, is meant to appeal to the same age group that Pontiac’s muscle cars once did.

But many younger Americans, who were not around for Pontiac’s prime period, will not miss the brand as it shrinks, said Ron Pinelli, who is president of Motorintelligence.com, a company that tracks industry statistics.

To them, he said, “it doesn’t have any cachet unless they’re watching a late-night movie with Burt Reynolds,” whose film “Smokey and the Bandit” featured the Pontiac Trans Am.

But in its best years, Pontiacs were “highly styled and valued and really something,” Mr. Pinelli said.

Known before World War II primarily for its sedate sedans, Pontiac got a lift in the 1950s when G.M. used its cars on the racing circuit. Because of its “wide track” stance, Pontiacs quickly caught on with street racers, as well.

Tim Sampson, whose family owned a yellow Pontiac Grand Prix in the 1960s, remembered the Pontiacs that were used for drag races on President’s Island, in an industrial part of Memphis. “People used to get arrested,” said Mr. Sampson, a founder of the Stax Museum of American Soul.

Italian sports cars inspired another classic Pontiac in the 1960s, when the division’s new general manager, John Z. DeLorean, decided it needed a small, fast car modeled after a Ferrari. He hit on the name GTO — after a Ferrari coupe called the Gran Turismo Omologato.

The GTO returned this decade, as part of an effort to revive Pontiac. But G.M.’s Holden division in Australia built that car.

Its appearance barely echoed the original GTO, disappointing its core audience. It lasted only from 2004 to 2006, before G.M. stopped selling them.

The most recent efforts to breathe new life into Pontiac were put into motion by G.M.’s vice chairman, Robert A. Lutz, who will retire at the end of 2009. Known in the industry for his love of high-performance vehicles, Mr. Lutz had pushed the division to return to its car heritage.

On its Web site, Pontiac explains its new slogan more fully: “Pontiac is style. Pontiac is performance. Pontiac is culture. Pontiac is music. Pontiac is CAR.”

Now, G.M. will have to determine which Pontiacs will remain Pontiacs. So far, Mr. Wagoner and other executives have not given any indication of the company’s specific plans for Pontiac.

But unlike Saturn, which will be discontinued by 2012, G.M. does not have to dismantle a dealership lineup for Pontiac. Its franchises, for the most part, already have been grouped with Buick and GMC. Any future models, G.M. said this week, will be sold through this Buick-Pontiac-GMC organization.

“We’re the third generation, and we’re the last,” said Rick Zimmerman, whose family has sold Pontiacs in Pittsfield, Ill., since the brand came to life as part of its Oakland division in the 1920s. (Pontiac became a stand-alone division in 1932.)

Mr. Zimmerman, whose first car was a GTO, said hundreds of customers used to flood his showroom each fall when new Pontiacs — like the popular Bonneville, now a retired nameplate — were unveiled.

Now, despite positive reviews about the performance of some new models like the G8, he has trouble getting his customers interested in them.

“It’s been a good name, and had a lot of good cars,” Mr. Zimmerman said. “It’s tough to see it go.”

ShawnLee
02-20-2009, 04:57 AM
Just so long as I can still get parts for my Grand Prix, I'll be fine.

Jeffbx
02-20-2009, 06:02 AM
Thank goodness. The only car in their lineup that's worth saving right now is the G8, and that's a Holden. Transfer that to the Chevy line & they can close the doors.

renovation
02-20-2009, 06:09 AM
its sad what gm has done to Pontiac. as with Saturn . they just want to sell look a like models that run down the same assembly lines. its so easy to to run a lets say a Chevy on Monday. there a case of Chevy emblem's and a pallet of Chevy stamp dash panels .then on Tuesday swap them out for a Buick marked set. you do caddy tags on Wednesday and so on. you save on training and need of extra man power right all the way up the ladder to the cars design team. cookie power savings .and you flood the public with what you want to sell not what they may want. after a while joe public gets use to this and wont see there all the same unit .

renovation
02-20-2009, 06:18 AM
Thank goodness. The only car in their lineup that's worth saving right now is the G8, and that's a Holden. Transfer that to the Chevy line & they can close the doors. i like the G6 myself - im not a person who cars for the G8.

Yossarian
02-20-2009, 06:26 AM
for the past 10+ years, all the pontiacs look the same.

DarkFury
02-20-2009, 08:22 AM
Honestly, Pontiacs are BORING now.

Back in the day, the Pontiac Firebird/Trans AM was the shiz, but alas, GM let that one last bastion of pony car goodness go and as such Pontiac sorta died. The Grand Prix was somewhat nice, but still, being front wheel drive it just seemed like a "weird" car to me (the Grand AM was just too small for me to ever even consider.)

The GTO had guts... however I considered it a blank palette on the outside if you were a "customizing nut". Honestly, it was so "Plain Jane" on the outside that it screamed "CHEVY" moreso than "PONTIAC". Camaro SS always had more tame styling than the Trans AM... so why did they even go there?

Either way, the Pontiac Brand was really tainted with the Aztec. That one flop really showed that the folks in charge of that division didn't really give a dayuum about "style" anymore, thus turning me completely off from seriously considering them for future car purchases.

Pretty much, if they are downsizing, then realistically, Pontiac can go. They aren't doing the brand justice to keep it alive, so why bother? Give the G6/G8 to Chevy and close the doors. Maybe if we're lucky they'll close Buick as well and fold those cars into Cadillac/Chevy as well. :shrug:

Pretty much, the Chevy line needs a slight makeover and can continue surviving, however Pontiac's days are more or less done.

Jeffbx
02-20-2009, 09:43 AM
i like the G6 myself - im not a person who cars for the G8.

G6 is OK, but they already improved that & moved it to Chevy as the Malibu.

mechmike0034
02-20-2009, 11:35 AM
Thank goodness. The only car in their lineup that's worth saving right now is the G8, and that's a Holden. Transfer that to the Chevy line & they can close the doors.

The G8 is a helluva car. I was impressed with the base V6 version I drove a couple of weeks ago. I'd love to get my hands on a G8 GXP (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0902_2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/index.html)...

johnnymk
02-20-2009, 12:29 PM
The G8 is a helluva car. I was impressed with the base V6 version I drove a couple of weeks ago. I'd love to get my hands on a G8 GXP (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/0902_2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/index.html)...

:stupid:

I'm not generally attracted to that size car, but at the Philly Car Show a few weeks back, I was mesmerized by it. It is a knockout!!

Jeffbx
02-23-2009, 05:13 AM
I was reaaally tempted to get one of those when my lease ended in December, but the RWD kills it for me here in snow country. Went for the AWD Saturn Vue instead.

attgig
02-23-2009, 02:15 PM
nice to know that a used vibe should be far cheaper than a used matrix, when they're essentially the same car.