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johnnymk
05-10-2009, 05:09 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050801928.html

The banks need to loosen up. That's the message from a month's worth of interviews with consumers and automobile dealers nationwide. It's also the conclusion of a new study by Accenture, a global management consulting company.

The banks need to be less stingy with credit. That would do as much to help the struggling automobile industry as the latest government bailout.

Tight credit is strangling the industry, putting automobile suppliers, dealers and consumers at risk.

"We have people coming into our showroom," said Frank Maione, owner of the Henderson Hyundai Superstore in Nevada. "We have customers," he said, challenging my claim in recent Car Culture columns that "consumers are on strike."

It's not so much that consumers are on strike as it is that many of them are striking out on their applications for consumer credit, Maione said in a recent interview.


"It's screwing up our write-to-roll ratio," Maione said, using industry parlance to describe the difference between writing a sales contract and getting it financed, allowing the customer to roll the car off the lot.

"Half of the people who sign contracts with us can't get them financed; or, they can't get the financing for the car they came in to buy," Maione said. "It's a killer."

I heard the same complaint in Warren, Mich., and in the Washington metropolitan area, where, contrary to conventional media wisdom, people continue to visit automobile showrooms in large numbers, despite the dismal economy.

That includes showrooms supplied by Chrysler, which is reorganizing its operations under the protection of a federal bankruptcy court in New York.

"We're open. We're doing business," said Tamara Darvish, vice president of Silver Spring-based Darcars, which operates 18 stores in the Washington metropolitan area. Darcars handles products from 34 automobile manufacturers, including Chrysler and General Motors.

The Darcars Chrysler showroom in Silver Spring last Sunday was filled with consumers, many of them in search of steep discounts on products sold by the troubled automobile manufacturer. And there were discounts aplenty, with consumer rebates from $1,000 to $3,500, or zero-to-5.9-percent financing on models such as the full-size Chrysler 300 sedan.

But even with those price breaks, it's likely that 64 percent of the people shopping at Darcars Chrysler that day will encounter credit trouble, said Richard Spitzer, managing director of Accenture's division for automotive and industrial equipment.

Accenture has done two online surveys of 504 automotive consumers in the United States -- the first conducted in October 2008 and the most recent conducted in April of this year. The surveys found that more than half of the respondents -- 64 percent, to be precise -- ran into credit problems buying a car.

For 34 percent, those credit difficulties meant no new-car purchase. For 30 percent, weakened credit meant rolling off the sales lot in something less than the dream machine they intended to buy, according to the Accenture survey.

"The troubled economy is taking its toll on consumers," sidelining many who have lost jobs or who are worried about becoming unemployed, Spitzer said. But many more consumers remain in the marketplace actively shopping for new cars and trucks. If the banks ease up on credit restrictions, those shoppers could spark a recovery in automobile sales, Spitzer said.

Spitzer's argument, supported by many dealers, is that thawed credit would build consumer confidence. Increased consumer confidence would work with pent-up consumer demand to build sales.

Motorists in the United States are now holding onto their cars 9.4 years, up from 9.2 years in 2006, 8.3 in 2000 and 7.9 in 1996, according to figures compiled by Michigan-based R.L. Polk, a global automotive marketing research firm.

The pent-up demand, and possible deliverance for the beleaguered car companies, is in those numbers, Spitzer said. "There are people out there who want to buy. There are discounts. There is all of that pent-up demand from people who need to, or who want to replace their existing vehicles," he said.

A credit thaw right about now would be a very good thing.

But, on another note, more favorable credit would not necessarily boost the sales of more fuel-efficient cars. The Accenture survey supports the conventional wisdom that consumers in America have short memories. They seem to have forgotten the gasoline prices of the summer of 2008, when it seemed that we were moving toward $5 a gallon for regular unleaded.

With prices now around $2 a gallon for regular unleaded, dealers nationwide have been reporting decreased demand for fuel-efficient cars and increased demand for trucks and larger automobiles. The Accenture survey buttresses those anecdotal retail reports.

Although fuel-efficiency remains the top reason for selecting a new vehicle, it has declined in importance among survey respondents. Thirty-eight percent of the people in Accenture's April 2009 survey cited fuel-economy as a determinant in their purchase decision, compared with 51 percent who cited fuel economy in 2008.

Perhaps that means a credit thaw and a continued freeze on federal fuel taxes and other fuel prices would be the perfect combination to get the automobile industry moving again.

ray
05-10-2009, 11:23 PM
Um...So I think it's a good thing people are getting rejected on credit applications for cars. This is exactly what happened with mortgages and home loans...people were extended a line of credit that they clearly could not afford. I loved the comment in the article "weakened credit meant rolling off the sales lot in something less than the dream machine they intended to buy,"

Sure, it sucks not to be able to get their dream machine, but if you need a vehicle to get to/from work and/or school then anything with 4-wheels and a steering column is probably good enough until people can afford something more luxurious.

I just went to LA to find an apartment. I just finished school, have loads of debt, and am unemployed. My parents had to cosign my lease because I didn't make enough income the past year to pass the apartment company's credit application. Am I bitching because i didn't get to live in a nicer area, bigger apartment, with higher ceilings? No. Such is life and people need to learn to deal with the economic changes that are forthcoming.

My 2 cents.

Jeffbx
05-11-2009, 04:51 AM
:stupid:

Bad loans are a big part of the reason we're in this mess. People with good credit are having no problems at all getting loans today - banks just aren't willing to take the same level of risk they were a few years ago. So if you're gettig rejected? Step down to a cheaper car or get a co-signer.

I'll tell you what, tho - if you have good credit & are shopping for a domestic car, there are some amazing deals out there!

guiseppewv
05-11-2009, 07:40 AM
:stupid:

I am with the stupids above. :) People being kept from getting themselves into a situation they cannot afford is a good thing.



I also think this is half of the story of why cars are not selling. I have been looking for a used car in the WMA (Washington Metro Area) during the last 4 months but none of the dealers are willing to budge on prices for cars that have been on the market for over a month or two. It is amazing because they are trying to turn major profits on trade-ins. They offer way below blue-book trade-in citing the market, however, they are still charging over blue-book for the used cars they are selling.

Jeffbx
05-11-2009, 10:42 AM
Guiseppewv, you raise an interesting point - the market is actually pretty goood for used car sales right now. The best deals are almost exclusively on new domestic cars. Most of the reason is the point of the original article - people can't get the financing they need for a new car, so they turn to used. Also, people out of work are trading in expensive cars for more reasonable models. So if you're in the market for a USED car, look carefully - he deals are not nearly as good as new.

It's not just cars, either - I was picking up my jetski from the boat dealer last weekend & was chatting about business with one of the salesguys. I asked him about sales this month, expecting some sob story - instead, he tells me that sales are more than DOUBLE from May of last year, but only on USED boats. All of a sudden people are realizing how much value there is in used equipment, now that financing for new is not that easy to get.

Winston
05-11-2009, 11:10 AM
is financing easier to get on used ?

Paymaster
05-11-2009, 03:56 PM
People with good credit are having no problems at all getting loans today

What are you basing this statement off of?

My wife and I both have excellent credit (high 700s) and we have well over 20% equity at the current value of our home, but it took us 3 months to refinance a conventional mortgage. Why? No one wanted to lend us any money. It took about 5x the documentation that it has required in the past as well. We had a broker basically prepare everything and wait for a lender who would bite. It was crazy.

PrObLy
05-11-2009, 04:27 PM
:stupid:

I'll tell you what, tho - if you have good credit & are shopping for a domestic car, there are some amazing deals out there!


This is very true. The dealerships may not be throwing around the 0% to everyone like they were a few years ago, but with a little searching, there are some great rates to be had.

I did some homework and was able to finance through the Pentagon Federal Credit Union (https://www.penfed.org/index.asp) for 3.99% ... being approved instantly online.

guiseppewv
05-11-2009, 07:38 PM
What are you basing this statement off of?

My wife and I both have excellent credit (high 700s) and we have well over 20% equity at the current value of our home, but it took us 3 months to refinance a conventional mortgage. Why? No one wanted to lend us any money. It took about 5x the documentation that it has required in the past as well. We had a broker basically prepare everything and wait for a lender who would bite. It was crazy.

You are talking home loans, we are talking car loans.

attgig
05-11-2009, 09:59 PM
What are you basing this statement off of?

My wife and I both have excellent credit (high 700s) and we have well over 20% equity at the current value of our home, but it took us 3 months to refinance a conventional mortgage. Why? No one wanted to lend us any money. It took about 5x the documentation that it has required in the past as well. We had a broker basically prepare everything and wait for a lender who would bite. It was crazy.

my home loan was pretty easy to get. took them forever to close, but they extended the lock on my rate, so shrug.

Jeffbx
05-12-2009, 05:01 AM
What are you basing this statement off of?

My wife and I both have excellent credit (high 700s) and we have well over 20% equity at the current value of our home, but it took us 3 months to refinance a conventional mortgage. Why? No one wanted to lend us any money. It took about 5x the documentation that it has required in the past as well. We had a broker basically prepare everything and wait for a lender who would bite. It was crazy.


Yeah, car & mortgage loans are still pretty different animals. Car loans are way easier to get, esp. today with all of the mortgage lenders that got screwed (screwed themselves, I should say).


is financing easier to get on used ?

Not necessarily, and the rate is usually higher, but the lower amount of the loan makes it easier to approve. So a 20k used loan may be no easier to get than a 20k new loan, but a 10k used loan will be easier than the 20k new.

gwilks98
05-12-2009, 12:55 PM
:stupid:

Bad loans are a big part of the reason we're in this mess.

Yes, but there's a bit of a backlash on otherwise good loans. My director recently built an add-on to his house. The add-on doesn't add quite as much value to his house as he needed to refinance. So he makes great money and has a great job, but because he doesn't have that magic 20%, he doesn't qualify for a re-fi...(he's close btw)

The point is, it's not just the high risk buyers that are feeling the cutbacks. The banks are too tight and are fermenting the issue. This is why (IMO) the average joe should have gotten the bailout, not the banks.

VTGreg
05-12-2009, 01:17 PM
my home loan was pretty easy to get. took them forever to close, but they extended the lock on my rate, so shrug.

Yeah, my refi was a breeze also.

Jeffbx
05-13-2009, 05:21 AM
Yes, but there's a bit of a backlash on otherwise good loans. My director recently built an add-on to his house. The add-on doesn't add quite as much value to his house as he needed to refinance. So he makes great money and has a great job, but because he doesn't have that magic 20%, he doesn't qualify for a re-fi...(he's close btw)

The point is, it's not just the high risk buyers that are feeling the cutbacks. The banks are too tight and are fermenting the issue. This is why (IMO) the average joe should have gotten the bailout, not the banks.

Haha! It's funny that you use that example because that's EXACTLY the position I'm in, too. We remodeled our kitchen, and now that extra equity line has us exactly on the edge of 20% - so close that I didn't want to gamble the $400 for the appraisal.

But I think that has more to do with the state of the housing market than the loans. I could GET the loan easily - my credit is above 800. But if the appraisal was on the wrong side of 20%, then I would have to pay PMI, which kills the benefit of the refi.