How big of a jerk is Floyd Mayweather Jr?

[cheapie]

just unbelievable. he's always been known as a person that ducks the big fights and this will only add to that legacy. this would have been the only fight i've ever purchased and his actions have really turned me off of being even remotely interested in him despite his michigan connections.


ugh. i hope they do fight and the pacman just destroys him.

[ray]

Eh, can you blame a guy who doesn't want to start taking random drug tests that are out of the normal boxing schedule?

Mayweather agreed to take the tests according to the regulated timeframes for boxers...not at Pacquiao's request out of the blue.

I fault both fighters for making this fail.

[cheapie]

lol. you have it backwards. it's mayweather's dad that leveled charges of doping. and it's mayweather that insisted on blood testing. pacquiao agreed to tests but wanted to have some say in the scheduling and wanted to do it according to the regulated timelines.

[VTGreg]

Here's the whole story:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4806180


Irate Mayweather blaming Pacquiao
By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
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A day after their fight was declared dead, Floyd Mayweather Jr. said Thursday night that he still wants to fight Manny Pacquiao.

Their tentative March 13 megafight -- which many believe will be the most lucrative fight in boxing history if it happens -- was called off Wednesday night by Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, after mediation failed to resolve their issues over drug testing protocol.

Arum blamed Mayweather for the fight falling apart, but Mayweather came out swinging on Thursday.

"Throughout this whole process I have remained patient but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them," Mayweather said in a statement.

"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass."

The final issue in the negotiation was drug testing.

They agreed to unlimited random urine testing, but Mayweather also insisted on random blood testing, even though the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which would oversee the bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, requires only urine testing.

Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) didn't want blood testing but later relented and agreed to three blood tests: one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would have taken place next week, one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight and a final test in his dressing room after the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) would be subject to the same testing procedures.

When they could not come to an agreement, Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mayweather, turned to a mediator, retired judge Daniel Weinstein, who had successfully mediated a series of disputes between Top Rank and Golden Boy in 2007.

But after nine hours in mediation on Tuesday in Santa Monica, Calif., and further attempts to come to a resolution on Wednesday failed, the fight was pronounced dead by the Pacquiao camp.

The mediation was largely about coming up with a suitable time frame in which to cut off the testing before the fight. Pacquiao moved off his hard-line stance of no testing inside 30 days from the fight by agreeing to 24 days during mediation.

"We agreed to move the drug testing to 24 days under the supervision of the Nevada commission and Mayweather still wouldn't budge," Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's adviser, told ESPN.com from the Philippines on Wednesday night after the fight was declared dead.

The Pacquiao camp blamed Mayweather for his unwillingness to move off his desire for random testing until the fight.

Mayweather disputed that on Thursday.

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather said. "I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30 day cutoff. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smoke screens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."

The drug testing became a major issue when Floyd Mayweather Sr., the father of the fighter, made several public remarks accusing Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing drugs without a shred of proof. Mayweather Jr. later made similar remarks about him using PEDs, even though Pacquiao denies it and has never failed a drug test.

The accusations led Pacquiao to file a defamation lawsuit last week in Nevada U.S. District Court against Mayweather Jr., Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy officials Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya.

If the welterweight title bout is to be saved, and go forward on March 13, the camps likely have until Friday or Saturday to work things out and kick off the promotion as planned early next week in New York.

Considering Pacquiao agreed to blood testing it seems pretty incredible that Mayweather wouldn't come off the no blood testing window of 14 days. The drug testing for this fight would already have been far more than is done for any other fight. Sounds like Mayweather was looking for excuses from day one.

[Prngr44]

I don't follow boxing at all.

Why is there such a stink about the amount of tests that were proposed? What's the norm? I see blood tests aren't usually even conducted?

[cheapie]

there is a big stink because mayweather accused pacquiao of using PEDs and wants to dictate virtually all aspects of the drug testing. the testing schedule he's trying to push on pacquiao goes above and beyond standard testing.

pacquiao's basically telling mayweather he won't be pushed around and good for him.

[DarkFury]

So basically what I hear being said here is...

Manny: "I don't want to take the test". And in this sport... like any other... Why does he not want to take the test?

Hell, make them both take it... then after the results, let them fight. Why is Manny scared to take the test? Yeah right.. it's because Floyd asked him too so he don't wanna do it?

If Manny is clean, he should just "man up" take the test and prove his innocence instead of crying about taking the test and ducking the fight. Maybe he is scared about what they might find which will mess up his future money and reputation. :shrug:

[DarkFury]

Here's the whole story:

Considering Pacquiao agreed to blood testing it seems pretty incredible that Mayweather wouldn't come off the no blood testing window of 14 days. The drug testing for this fight would already have been far more than is done for any other fight. Sounds like Mayweather was looking for excuses from day one.
The question I have is... how long do PEDs have to be in your system for them to have the desired effect? Are they "instantaneous"? Or do they have a ramp up window?

If the "ramp up" window is less than 14 days, then I can see why he'd argue for a shorter testing span... BTW... what is the big deal about being tested right before the fight? That proves without a shadow of a doubt that the fight is clean right? I'm no expert on PEDs and steroids, but I do say.. if you haven't been doing anything wrong, then why let this condition bother you? Just like random drug screening at your job... if you do drugs, then yeah, you'd be scared and offended as soon as someone mentioned that you'd have to take a test to keep your job.

I don't think Floyd is trying to avoid Pacman... he just wants and even clean fight. What's the big deal about that?

If it were the other way around and someone was accusing Floyd of ducking a drug test, how many folks would change their positions on this topic to argue why he should relent to the test instead of avoiding them? People would be chompin' at the bit to get at Floyd if he were being accused.

[cheapie]

holy cow. have you followed FW at all? he's awesome but he's a gigantic a$$. this is just another power play and MP shouldn't have to bow to his demands.

i'm all for drug screening but not just because your opponent claims you're dirty and wants to dictate how the testing should be carried out.

[DarkFury]

Honestly, it just sounds like some folks just want to take pot shots...

If MP is "clean", then why is this a big issue? Just take the dayum test and fight. If he is the better man, then prove it. According to the news story... BOTH of them would be subjected to the tests.. not just Manny. So why is that an issue with his camp?

Everyone wants an excuse I suppose... Floyd says he wants to fight... Does Manny want to fight? If so, if he is clean, just do the test and lets get it on. Or is he hiding something? :shrug:

[cheapie]

taking pot shots at mayweather? hahahaha. i mean no offense but you really have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and you should use your energy defending someone else.

MP was already giving up quite a bit by agreeing to blood testing. there has never been any hint that he has. mayweather does this type of crap all the time and he finally ran up against an opponent that is more popular, is likely a better fighter, and has enough backbone to tell him to stfu.

one shouldn't have to agree to whatever type of drug testing is demanded by your opponent. can you think of another sport where that happens? would you think it's cool for the pats to demand that the colts increase their drug testing in advance of a big game?

[cheapie]

btw, i like mayweather cuz he's a michigan boy. i just think he's gone over the top this time.

kinda like my first comment above. :hihi:

[DarkFury]

I still say.. if Manny really wants this fight... submit to the test and shut Mayweather up. Otherwise, he just looks suspicious in avoiding it.

If he is clean, then what is the worst that would happen? And regardless to what you might think.. I do have a clue. But hey, its easy for you to think that I don't since you are on the opposing side I suppose.

If Manny is better, then let him prove it instead of ducking the issue. I still don't see what the big deal is if he is truly clean (and the more he fights that, makes him look more guilty... even if he's not.)


Maybe you just don't have a clue as far as appearances go.

[VTGreg]

Honestly, it just sounds like some folks just want to take pot shots...

If MP is "clean", then why is this a big issue? Just take the dayum test and fight. If he is the better man, then prove it. According to the news story... BOTH of them would be subjected to the tests.. not just Manny. So why is that an issue with his camp?

Everyone wants an excuse I suppose... Floyd says he wants to fight... Does Manny want to fight? If so, if he is clean, just do the test and lets get it on. Or is he hiding something? :shrug:

I think the issue is that the testing disrupts the normal preparation for a fighter. Then consider that this goes way beyond any type of testing that is normally done for boxing and the question is why. Pac agreed to some blood testing but it is ridiculous that the testing goes according to what Mayweather wants or the fight is off. There has to be some reasonable point where you say, "This is enough testing".

So will Mayweather never fight another fight if someone won't submit to consistent blood testing, a type of testing that isn't done for boxing?

[cheapie]

I still say.. if Manny really wants this fight... submit to the test and shut Mayweather up. Otherwise, he just looks suspicious in avoiding it.

If he is clean, then what is the worst that would happen? And regardless to what you might think.. I do have a clue. But hey, its easy for you to think that I don't since you are on the opposing side I suppose.

If Manny is better, then let him prove it instead of ducking the issue. I still don't see what the big deal is if he is truly clean (and the more he fights that, makes him look more guilty... even if he's not.)


Maybe you just don't have a clue as far as appearances go.


well, i can't help but thinking that if MP was black and Mayweather was from the Philippines, you'd be arguing the opposite of the issue.

[DarkFury]

well, i can't help but thinking that if MP was black and Mayweather was from the Philippines, you'd be arguing the opposite of the issue.
You could say the same of anyone debating this issue...

If Pac would have wanted Mayweather to be tested and he refused... would any of your opinions change?

Just a matter of perspective I suppose. Pick your poison.

[cheapie]

i think that given mayweather's history i'd be less inclined to feel sympathize with his stance.

[DarkFury]

I think the issue is that the testing disrupts the normal preparation for a fighter. Then consider that this goes way beyond any type of testing that is normally done for boxing and the question is why. Pac agreed to some blood testing but it is ridiculous that the testing goes according to what Mayweather wants or the fight is off. There has to be some reasonable point where you say, "This is enough testing".

So will Mayweather never fight another fight if someone won't submit to consistent blood testing, a type of testing that isn't done for boxing?
Once again I ask... (and maybe you guys missed it...) Is there ANYTHING about the performance enhancing drugs where you could use them within a given timeframe and then eliminate/disguise them so that a normal urine test would not detect their presence?

If so, then it still might be a valid concern... I read some articles about "oxygen doping" that you can do that can't be read by a standard urine test in a given period. There may be others.

Honestly, I really don't care about the fight either way, as I haven't really followed boxing for the past 5 or so years (the last fighter I really followed was Roy Jones Jr. and now he's past his prime...) However, I do know that boxing is just about as corrupt as modern politics... therefore just looking at what is being asked for... I'm kinda still of the opinion "hey... if you haven't done it then why not subject to the test to prove that and move on to the business at hand." But if you DO have something to hide, then yeah, I expect you to fight that tooth and nail to keep the truth from being discovered.

So much money rides on these professional sports, yet when someone like "Barry Bonds" does it... they call for his @ss in a sling while others get a pass (or at least slightly less media coverage and ultimate fallout from doing the same thing). Just look at the Olympics... same thing. Lots of money riding on athletes and some use the PEDs just to get that slight edge hoping that they don't get caught... and when they do... they fall HARD. (Just look at what happened to Marian Jones)

So why would the same people who would go after those folks be in an uproar about asking for testing BEFORE an event happens? Even if you change the races, does that make a difference? Of course then the "race card" comes up and that just makes it even more messy.

I just wonder how many people would change opinions if Mayweather had been accused of using PEDs... Would they then be on him to get a test to prove himself? Seems like the shoe is on the other foot to me. :shrug:

[DarkFury]

i think that given mayweather's history i'd be less inclined to feel sympathize with his stance.
Sounds like prejudice towards the person...

Don't matter what he'd do... some folks are gonna be "anti" regardless. :shrug:

[DarkFury]

BTW Cheapie... take a look at this video clip. This is pretty much what I'm alluding to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV7-yUSVGho&feature=player_embedded

Go to the 7:00 mark with the interview with Teddy Atlas.

[kimchicowboy]

i watched the pacquiao v. coto fight with a bunch of filipinos. now that was fun. we were all looking forward to the mayweather fight. but alas, doens't look too good.

i'll fault both guys for not trying to find some common ground.

[Nija]

Complete heresay:
MP doesn't want the blood tests because he is crazy superstitious. That's why he doesn't want to agree to one so close.

IMO, take the 3 blood tests (1 at the conference, 1 at 24 days out and 1 after the fight).

I have no interest in this fight.

[VTGreg]

Once again I ask... (and maybe you guys missed it...) Is there ANYTHING about the performance enhancing drugs where you could use them within a given timeframe and then eliminate/disguise them so that a normal urine test would not detect their presence?

If so, then it still might be a valid concern... I read some articles about "oxygen doping" that you can do that can't be read by a standard urine test in a given period. There may be others.

Honestly, I really don't care about the fight either way, as I haven't really followed boxing for the past 5 or so years (the last fighter I really followed was Roy Jones Jr. and now he's past his prime...) However, I do know that boxing is just about as corrupt as modern politics... therefore just looking at what is being asked for... I'm kinda still of the opinion "hey... if you haven't done it then why not subject to the test to prove that and move on to the business at hand." But if you DO have something to hide, then yeah, I expect you to fight that tooth and nail to keep the truth from being discovered.

So much money rides on these professional sports, yet when someone like "Barry Bonds" does it... they call for his @ss in a sling while others get a pass (or at least slightly less media coverage and ultimate fallout from doing the same thing). Just look at the Olympics... same thing. Lots of money riding on athletes and some use the PEDs just to get that slight edge hoping that they don't get caught... and when they do... they fall HARD. (Just look at what happened to Marian Jones)

So why would the same people who would go after those folks be in an uproar about asking for testing BEFORE an event happens? Even if you change the races, does that make a difference? Of course then the "race card" comes up and that just makes it even more messy.

I just wonder how many people would change opinions if Mayweather had been accused of using PEDs... Would they then be on him to get a test to prove himself? Seems like the shoe is on the other foot to me. :shrug:

Absolutely there are PED's that could be used that wouldn't be detected in a urine test and would pass through the system in a week or two. However, anything that had a direct impact on the fight would still be in his system if they did a post-fight blood test, but that's really not the point I'm trying to make here. My point is that the drug testing request made by Mayweather is completely unreasonable when compared to the type of testing normally done in boxing. Even with that being the case, Pacquiao made what was seemingly a large compromise but that still wasn't good enough for Mayweather.

Taking everything into account it seems like Mayweather was looking for an excuse to not fight this fight. It will be interesting to see if he makes these drug testing demands for all of his fights from here on out. If so I predict he won't fight again.

[Prngr44]

Sounds like Floyd's common ground is "my way or the highway."

[DarkFury]

Absolutely there are PED's that could be used that wouldn't be detected in a urine test and would pass through the system in a week or two. However, anything that had a direct impact on the fight would still be in his system if they did a post-fight blood test, but that's really not the point I'm trying to make here. My point is that the drug testing request made by Mayweather is completely unreasonable when compared to the type of testing normally done in boxing. Even with that being the case, Pacquiao made what was seemingly a large compromise but that still wasn't good enough for Mayweather.

Taking everything into account it seems like Mayweather was looking for an excuse to not fight this fight. It will be interesting to see if he makes these drug testing demands for all of his fights from here on out. If so I predict he won't fight again.

Honestly, the more and more this goes on... the less I really care about the fight. Everyone's gonna point their fingers, but alas... BOTH OF THEM ARE BEING WHINEY BEEYOTCHES AND THEY BOTH NEED TO MAN UP AND JUST MAKE THE FIGHT ALREADY.

Is that enough to satisfy everyone? Cause honestly, the arguing about who's right/wrong really isn't getting anywhere. Piss test on both of them. :D