POSER ALERT!

[irwin]

Yeah I'm asian. And I want to have a souped up accord. Except........i know nothing bout cars. :) anyone wanna help me out? My budget is 30k.

[hapoo]

You can get a nice BMW 325 for that much :)
Thats my advice.

[KoalaFD]

Agreed.

Sell the Accord and buy a sweet ride... like a BMW.

Why would you want a souped up Accord, anyways? To fit in?

[irwin]

Well I can't get a 3 series cuz the 30k is my mom's money and she said she'll only buy an accord. Koala, EXACTLY. I MUST FIT IN OR I'LL BE A LOSER!!! jk...nah i just think decked out accords look really nice. Can anyone link me to a good resource?

[tupacboy]

have you bought the car yet?

[Aristo]

I'd wait 'til 2002 for Lexus IS300 5 speed manuel.

[irwin]

Nope. I haven't bought a car yet. Here's the deal. My mom will give me 24k for a car if I get an accord. She gives me only 18k if I get a car that isn't an accord. What should I do? I only have 6k of my own money.

[hapoo]

ARE YOU TELLING ME YOUR MOM WOULD RATHER HAVE AN ACCORD THAN A BMW :eek2::eek2:

[tupacboy]

well my friend works at honda (diamond bar) so if you want a really good deal he can help...

[ironchef]

only 24 grand? geez. my mom gave my 50 grand for my new car while she was paying 40 grand/year for my education and 20 grand/year for my living expenses. i can't wait cash in my trust fund and blow that too.

[helius]

Originally posted by ironchef

only 24 grand? geez. my mom gave my 50 grand for my new car while she was paying 40 grand/year for my education and 20 grand/year for my living expenses. i can't wait cash in my trust fund and blow that too.



Nope, Ironchef is not bitter. Definitely not. :)


Going back on topic: You could always try to convince your mom that used (2-3 years) is the way to go. That's typically when the slope of the depreciation curve drops off...

[styleee]

Originally posted by ironchef

20 grand/year for my living expenses



you can live on 20K a YEAR??

teach me how!! i need at least 80K to even get by! :bandit:

ahhhhhhh

[hapoo]

20K?? how many zero's is that now? I have 20 bucks :)

[Blu]

20K is like beer money...

:cheers:

[epoxi]

hmm...for 30k , if you looked hard enough, you could find some nice 2nd generation LS400's w/ low miles if your into that.... those cars will last you for a while too, and kick the crap out of accords...

[KoalaFD]

Alright. Let's assume then, that you're getting the Accord. Since it doesn't make any sense to toss $6k of your mom's money out the window, I suppose.

I think the Accord (depending if you get the EX, V6, etc) will probably cost around that much - $20-24k that is. So I guess that means you have $6k for mods.

So... what do YOU wanna do?
Make your car into a fast car?
A cruisin' "straight-pimpin" mobile?
A sound heaven?
A mixture of the above?

6k can be a lot if planned correctly. Or it can be nothing if planned poorly... so tell us what you want and we'll start dispensing helpful advice for once. :)

[hapoo]

or I could sell you an assortment of stickers that make your car look very fast!!!

[Ice-9]

Yeah, I heard each pound of vinyl tape adds 30 hp!!

[helius]

But only if it says "VTec", or "Powered by Honda" (these only work if they cover half your windshield). :heh:

[sbp]

Originally posted by $tyleee

Originally posted by ironchef

20 grand/year for my living expenses



you can live on 20K a YEAR??

teach me how!! i need at least 80K to even get by! :bandit:

ahhhhhhh Marry a rich man. :heh:

[M_A_C]

Originally posted by Passwird
Nope. I haven't bought a car yet. Here's the deal. My mom will give me 24k for a car if I get an accord. She gives me only 18k if I get a car that isn't an accord. What should I do? I only have 6k of my own money.

Tell your mom what everyone else with half a brain already knows, hondas suck.

With that kind of cash you could get a awesome used car that's only a few years old. I went to http://www.kbb.com and put in a few things, but since I don't know where you live it could be different... But anyways you could get a corvette thats a few years old, a 3000GT, a 300ZX, a older Supra... Sheesh, in any of those classy cars, your gonna make heads turn for the right reason, not because everyones making fun of your stupid Honda.



[Edited by M_A_C on 02-10-2001 at 03:54 PM]

[Aristo]

Definitely get a Supra!

[KoalaFD]

Supra..... grr..... always didn't like those...

Anyways, M_A_C, you really need to lay off a bit. It's not like the kid's gonna change his mom's mind. If he were the one buying the car, then you can flame him all you want but it's not really his decision, now is it? Add to the fact that he's Asian, and Asian moms NEVER change their minds about things like this.

And if he's relying on his mom to buy him his car (which he pretty much is), you think he's above 25? You think he's even above 22? Then you can be the one to fork over the cash for a two-door sports coupe when the auto insurance guy comes to collect.

Work with that you got or can get. What more could you ask for? What do you think YOUR mom or dad would say if she offered to buy you a car and you said, "But mom/dad! I want a COOLER car."

I'd smack you down, that's what I would do.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by KoalaFD
What do you think YOUR mom or dad would say if she offered to buy you a car and you said, "But mom/dad! I want a COOLER car."


If my parents did offer to by me a car it would pretty much be my choice, and even if they did give me an ultimatum like that they would be way more open to suggestions and not so stubborn. Why the hell would they care what car I'm getting if I'm the one who's going to be driving it??

[helius]

Originally posted by hapoo

Originally posted by KoalaFD
What do you think YOUR mom or dad would say if she offered to buy you a car and you said, "But mom/dad! I want a COOLER car."


If my parents did offer to by me a car it would pretty much be my choice, and even if they did give me an ultimatum like that they would be way more open to suggestions and not so stubborn. Why the hell would they care what car I'm getting if I'm the one who's going to be driving it??

Haven't you seen the AllState ad on tv? The one about the old fart getting parents to buy their kids old station wagons instead of a fast car (Mustang?)? :)

[hapoo]

Originally posted by helius

Haven't you seen the AllState ad on tv? The one about the old fart getting parents to buy their kids old station wagons instead of a fast car (Mustang?)? :)


Yeah, i would never get my 16 year old a mustang either but.. i'm not 16, and i've never gotten a speeding ticket.

[M_A_C]

Originally posted by KoalaFD


Supra..... grr..... always didn't like those...

How could you not like those? One of the coolest cars around, and with a few mods you can really kick a TON of ass in one, not to mention you'll kick a ton of ass in one stock too. That statment alone made me discredit you.


Anyways, M_A_C, you really need to lay off a bit. It's not like the kid's gonna change his mom's mind. If he were the one buying the car, then you can flame him all you want but it's not really his decision, now is it? Add to the fact that he's Asian, and Asian moms NEVER change their minds about things like this.

I was just being alittle hard on him to get my point across about how most people feel about Rice Boys. I guess I wouldn't know about "Asian moms" but i think thats a bit ignorant to generalize like that. I assume she can listen to reason. A brand new honda is just gonna be a horrible investment in my book, espically if your kid cuts his springs and puts tape all over it and ruins it in all those other ways they do.


And if he's relying on his mom to buy him his car (which he pretty much is), you think he's above 25? You think he's even above 22? Then you can be the one to fork over the cash for a two-door sports coupe when the auto insurance guy comes to collect.

Good point, insurance is a thing to think about. I guess since his mom is offering this deal tho, I assumed that a little insurance payment would prolly be no prob.


I'd smack you down, that's what I would do.

If you smell what the M_A_C is cookin'.

[KoalaFD]

"How could you not like those? One of the coolest cars around, and with a few mods you can really kick a TON of ass in one, not to mention you'll kick a ton of ass in one stock too. That statment alone made me discredit you."

Now it's true. The Supra does kick some ass with mods and even in the stock trim. But I'm an RX-7 owner (hence the "FD" in "KoalaFD). And while the rivalry isn't at the same level as Mustang vs. Camaro, it exists and my prejuice and illogic take over when Supras come around. Now, if you ask me for reals, I'd say the same - the Supra is one bad ass car. :)

"I was just being alittle hard on him to get my point across about how most people feel about Rice Boys. I guess I wouldn't know about "Asian moms" but i think thats a bit ignorant to generalize like that. I assume she can listen to reason. A brand new honda is just gonna be a horrible investment in my book, espically if your kid cuts his springs and puts tape all over it and ruins it in all those other ways they do."

You're right. It's ignorant to generalize. But if his mom is like my mom or any of my friend's moms, she won't listen to reason. I'm with you. I wouldn't buy my kid a new Honda for exactly that reason. I'm sounding old here but these kids get these strange ideas into their heads as to what looks good. Must start somewhere with one really weird kid. Bottom line, though, is that his mom probably thinks that turbos are dangerous and therefore wants to get him a "family car".

Heheh..... what the M_A_C is cookin'. That was funny. :P Good one.

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by hapoo

If my parents did offer to by me a car it would pretty much be my choice, and even if they did give me an ultimatum like that they would be way more open to suggestions and not so stubborn. Why the hell would they care what car I'm getting if I'm the one who's going to be driving it??

Because kids get these strange ideas that going 100mph+ on a public highway in traffic is cool.

And that rollin' in a BMW makes you a "boss baller", even though your mom bought it for you. (no offense to BMWs, I just don't think that teenagers should be drivin' them).

The obvious answer? Buy the kid an 86 Tercel. Make him appreciate and learn how to go slow before even letting him go fast. Hooked on slowness, worked for me! Ahh... but children these days are a little bit more... indulged... if you will.

[helius]

Originally posted by KoalaFD
Because kids get these strange ideas that going 100mph+ on a public highway in traffic is cool.

I call that natural selection at work. :heh:

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by helius

I call that natural selection at work. :heh:



Yes... but you won't when it's your kid. :)

And natural selection can't really be defended if the "inferior gene" specimen manages to take out several of fellow, more evolutionarily suited innocent bystanders/drivers, eh?

"You're all alone, drive as fast as you want. When there's people around, be at least courteous enough to spare their lives even if you want to throw yours away."

[helius]

Originally posted by KoalaFD
Yes... but you won't when it's your kid. :)


Not that I plan on having any, but even if I did have some due to some unfortunate circumstances... I don't believe in spoiling kids. They want a car? Sure, start saving/working! People tend to be much more conservative when driving cars they've actually worked/paid for. And if that still doesn't stop them, well, no amount of advice can even come close to having the crap scared out of them. :heh:



And natural selection can't really be defended if the "inferior gene" specimen manages to take out several of fellow, more evolutionarily suited innocent bystanders/drivers, eh?

"You're all alone, drive as fast as you want. When there's people around, be at least courteous enough to spare their lives even if you want to throw yours away."


With enough cops and/or cameras on the roads, and stiff enough penalties for both dumbass kid and his/her parents...

[kevs]

I would just save up for 10 years and get the Ferrari Modena! I can't remember the times I almost got in an accident b/c I was staring at the Modena on the other side of traffic. Ha ha!

[KoalaFD]

Ah... but then, when you've bought it, you'll have a ten year old car, no? :)

We'll all be flying around in our little air cars then. Or maybe riding horses if gas runs out.

[helius]

Originally posted by kevs
I would just save up for 10 years and get the Ferrari Modena! I can't remember the times I almost got in an accident b/c I was staring at the Modena on the other side of traffic. Ha ha!

I saw a silver Ferrari (Modena I think) a few weeks back near the northern junction of 495 & 95. It was rather dark, and the car just zoomed past me. :drool: :heh:

[clutchy]

i used to call it fun in my buick, but i dont feel to safe i my accord anymore so i try stay below 90... right. So yeah i'm almost twenty one and i drove this pos buick for 3 years car wasn't worth 2000 bucks, but i loved it and it makes me appreciate my honda which is 3 years newer quite a bit more. Just take the accord get an ex v6 and a sunroof and you'll be set. it's an alright car and they're fun to drive, just don't rice it out that was the biggest mistake of my life, but i do enjoy the extra mpg.

[Black Francis]

You guys sure seem to hate Hondas for some reason. I bought a Honda Civic Si last year, and have loved every minute of it. I don't think that calling them bad cars is very accurate. From the research I did, they are very reliable, have a fairly good resale value, and are pretty safe cars. I do agree that the practice of ricing out a car is pretty stupid, but I stand by the fact that a factory Honda is a very respectable car to own. I have thought about doing a few mods to my car, but decided to spend my extra money on paying off the loan for now. However, I would never load my car up with a bunch of stickers......even if I did actually have all of the stuff that the stickers boast about.......

Anyway, thats my $.02

[helius]

Originally posted by Black Francis
You guys sure seem to hate Hondas for some reason. I bought a Honda Civic Si last year, and have loved every minute of it. I don't think that calling them bad cars is very accurate. From the research I did, they are very reliable, have a fairly good resale value, and are pretty safe cars. I do agree that the practice of ricing out a car is pretty stupid, but I stand by the fact that a factory Honda is a very respectable car to own. I have thought about doing a few mods to my car, but decided to spend my extra money on paying off the loan for now. However, I would never load my car up with a bunch of stickers......even if I did actually have all of the stuff that the stickers boast about.......

Anyway, thats my $.02

I doubt if anyone could honestly say that Honda makes "bad cars". The problem most people have is with the owners of said cars. :heh:

[KoalaFD]

Yeah... Honda doesn't make bad cars.
Just slow ones.

Uh-oh! Just kidding, man!

The issue isn't about Honda making good or bad cars. Is with the drivers thinking their cars are more than they are. If you think your Civic, Si as it may be, is anything more than a pepped up commuter car, you have either (1) spent tons of money like Kebs, or (2) dumb.

[Black Francis]

I do know the limits of my car....when I bought it, I was looking for something cheap and reliable, but also fun to drive. It has plenty of get up and go for everyday driving, and it was in my opinion, the best deal for the money. I test drove the new Celica, which was way too small, a Ford Cougar (i think), which was just a piece of crap, and a few other cars that just didn't make the cut.......anyway, I was just trying to say that the Civic can be a respectable car (provided that there are no stickers on it, and you don't try to race everything that pulls up next to you). Hopefully, my next car will be the new 300ZX when they go back into production in 2003.......does anybody know if that is still supposed to happen?

[Burzhui]

Dude what's wrong with your mom, why is she so crazy about an accord anyway? Snuff her when she shows you the money you will be much happier with a good car

[clutchy]

here we go again with the idiots, an accord is not a bad car, honda doesn't make bad cars, unfortunately honda has been at the heart of the import tune up scene so they've derived a different reputation than what they actually are.
OH YEAH AND ALSO YOU TELL ME A CAR THAT'S UNDER 50'000 DOLLARS WITH DOUBLE WISHBONE SUSPENSION. which by the way the sub 18,000 Si has.

I'm tired of people trashing the Si it's an incredible car front double wishbone suspension 4 wheel disc a 1.6 liter engine that produces 160 bhp, and a whole bunch of other junk for under 18k. Just because the ricers saw potential in a car with plenty of it doesn't mean that it's a pile of crap. Take the car for what it IS, not what teenagers pretend it to be.

[KoalaFD]

I don't think that Honda is really trying to "avoid" the reputation that they've built on the backs of ricers across the urban streets. The sheer existence of the Si proves that.

The Si is a hopped-up Civic. Nothing more. It does have a good deal of potential but most cars do. I think that you may be taking the other side of it... perhaps we ARE taking it for what it is and you're over-rating it.

No need to call people names, now. It's a touchy subject, I know, being as you drive a Honda. I know... I don't like when people talk bad about my cars but I'm open...

[Ice-9]

I think the new 300ZX is just called the "Z", at least according to Car and Driver. Pretty sweet-looking car, although that paint they had on it for the auto show was god-awful. And I'm not sure about that sloping tail, but the rest was pretty nice. The interior was very slick, although I doubt if much of it will make it to production. C+D said that there are no plans for a turbo, though!

[clutchy]

maybe you're right maybe they have hyped up with the import scene as well i can't deny that they put out a test, but me liking my honda has nothing to do with that, i'd still rather be driving my 13 year old buick, but unfortunately it had other ideas. I'm not getting defensive or anything, but the Si is a great car. The only car that can come close to matching it's performance is maybe a golf vr6, but nm i'm getting out of this argument.

[caddelma]

For that kind of money, buy two used Accords. You don't waste as much money on depreciation and when one is in the shop you have a backup. I appreciate what my parents have given me and if I was in the same situation I'd buy two and lend one to mom when she wanted.

But please don't pop one of those damn popcorn poppers on the exhaust! I hate them things.

I will give Honda credit, their cars tend to outrun my preferred american cars, but when something goes out, and it will, american cars are much easier and cheaper to repair. Try replacing the alternator in an Accord in under a couple of hours!

[Blu]

Originally posted by clutchy
maybThe only car that can come close to matching it's performance is maybe a golf vr6, but nm i'm getting out of this argument.

And I'll promptly drag you back in. The VR6 spanks the Si. The Si is a great car with a decent engine, but it's got major problems in the torque department. That's why the VR6 wins. It gets a better hop off the line. Besides, it's got 2 more cylinders, which helps. If you want compare the car to a VW, compare it to a 1.8t. That's a better match up.

Blu

[helius]

Originally posted by Ice-9
I think the new 300ZX is just called the "Z", at least according to Car and Driver. Pretty sweet-looking car, although that paint they had on it for the auto show was god-awful. And I'm not sure about that sloping tail, but the rest was pretty nice. The interior was very slick, although I doubt if much of it will make it to production. C+D said that there are no plans for a turbo, though!

If it's the same picture(s) that I've seen - the orange-y / crap colour? The styling is a little iffy, a little too bulge-y for me. I rather like the last generation 300ZXs.

Although at $30-40k I won't be able to afford one any time soon anyways. :P

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by caddelma

I will give Honda credit, their cars tend to outrun my preferred american cars, but when something goes out, and it will, american cars are much easier and cheaper to repair. Try replacing the alternator in an Accord in under a couple of hours!


Phew, but if you think a Japanese car is expensive to repair, try a nasty German one (or how about Italian?). Uggggh. A mechanic friend of mine who owned an MG used to say it stood for "Might Go." He had a second in the backyard for parts. VWs are the one that breaks that mold, though - my step-dad used to rebuild his Bug's engine every year or two in about a day and a half. Easy to fix.

So go for the Jetta VR6. Better styling, better torque, just about as reliable, and probably better resale value. But wait, is anybody in this thread actually buying a car?

[rum]

A good cheap way to fix up your car is to go to Home Depot. Serioussly, you can get some cheap shit there. Some aluminum mesh for a grill. You can buy some plastic sheets that are meant for those those long bar fluorescent lights and you can make your own clear corners/tail lights. Make sure you get the non-yellowing kind. Only costs an extra buck or two. For the tail lights, you'll probly need some Goop Off to melt the glue. I don't have a car, but I've helped some friends do this to their cars. As long as you're patient and you do the work carefully, it looks nice. I'm sure theres other stuff there you can use for other things, I just never really looked around too carefully.

[Ant6177]

I agree with Rum you can find some really good materials to fix up a car at Home Depot. I've found alot of useful stuff there. With just a little creativity you can save alot of money.

[rum]

Alrite. I got another Home Depot supporter. Hm... Ant6177... sounds familiar. oh well.
:deal: :thumbup:

[rollhard]

there seems to be a big misconception ni the market today about hp at the engine and hp at the wheels. carmakers always rate the hp to the engine. if your looking at modifying your car etc or looking for a decent powered ride, remember the average 15% hp loss from the drive train.
hehee, just a couple of pennies to throw out.
any questions,...www.rollhard.com

[Graphics Man]

For that kind of money, you could get a new WRX. I know not all people like the look, but the car is very fast. I test drove one this weekend. It's about as fast stock as my Eagle Talon Tsi with mods. I may have to get on for myself. ;-)

-Mike

[BrewMaster]

Honda Accord isn't a bad car, especially for a 16 yeart old. Who cares if it's "slow." He's 16! He's not a f**kin Indy 500 racer. He's a kid. Hell, an Accord is spoiling the boy (but if I were Passwird @ 16, I wouldn't turn it down either). Be happy with what you've got Passwird (not that you've expressed any ungratefulness so far). Most kids don't have mommy and daddy buying them a new car of their choice (almost your choice in your case) when they're 16.

I'm 22 years old and I'm still driving the '89 Volvo station wagon my parents gave me. I mean hell, it runs and it gets me from point A to point B. Be happy with what you got. YOu don't know how lucky you are to have generous parents that want to buy you a new car. THANK THEM PROFUSELY.

[OC]

Originally posted by BrewMaster
I'm 22 years old and I'm still driving the '89 Volvo station wagon my parents gave me. I mean hell, it runs and it gets me from point A to point B. Be happy with what you got. YOu don't know how lucky you are to have generous parents that want to buy you a new car. THANK THEM PROFUSELY.

A little off topic here - my mom got me my first car, an '82 Datsun B210. It was a big financial sacrifice for her to get it for me. For a first car it was just perfect. I did some necessary work on it (which taught me responsibilty) and also taught my best friend to drive in it. I would still like to have another, even though I've moved beyond it, as a reminder of the roads we travel (no pun intended).

I've always thought it was just a little wrong for a first car to be an expensive one. Nothing to really learn (or earn) that way.

-OC