The most overrated cars ...

[KoalaFD]

What do you guys (and gals if any are around) think are the 5 most overrated cars? And underrated if you want... I'm gonna get heat for this...

Overrated (not in any particular order):

1. Ford Mustang/Toyota Supra (mostly by the owners) - These cars in and of themselves are not overrated by the vast populus. But the owners of these cars think that their cars are the fastest thing on the planet. And while this may be a generalization... you know it's true.

2. Honda Civic Si - Boy racer car #1. Sorry Kebs.

3. Acura Integra GS-R - Boy racer car #2.

4. Honda S2000 - Rich boy racer car #3. It may make 240hp but 151 ft-lbs? C'mon.... some serious oopmh is in order.

5. PT Cruiser - I'm sorry. I really hate these cars.

Underrated

1. Porsche Turbo S (1997) - Watch for the I/C openings on the side of the car. Only a handful were even made. And most of the owners are of the type that aren't afraid to use it.

2. Buick Grand National - I saw one the other day that said, "I eat EVERYTHING for breakfast." Damn, these cars are fast. If you don't have to turn. And, no offense if you have one, the thing is so ugly that it makes itself underrated.

3. MR2 - Kind of the "forgotten" Japanese sports car among the Supra/NSX/RX-7 genre.

4. Mazda 323 GTX - This little machine is great!

5. E30 M3 - Especially those damn Evo I-IIIs (these were never sold in the US). Cranking out 200+ hp from a 4-banger back in the 1990s (pre-VTEC aka "the poor man's turbo") on a kick-ass suspension too.

[Ice-9]

Heheh, excellent list. I'd just like to agree with the overrated list, and add another Porsche to the underrated, since I don't know anything about the Buick.

6. '89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - Looks like a slightly cooler Dodge Daytona, out-accelerates everything else but the 911 Turbo, for WAY less money. Out-handles the 911, too.

Oh, and...

7. Audi RS4 - 0-60 in 4.9. But here's the catch: it's a freaking station wagon. I'm gonna get one for my mom so she can take the high school kids in their Supras and Mustangs off the line. :D

[hapoo]

Originally posted by KoalaFD

5. E30 M3 - Especially those damn Evo I-IIIs (these were never sold in the US). Cranking out 200+ hp from a 4-banger back in the 1990s (pre-VTEC aka "the poor man's turbo") on a kick-ass suspension too.


Damn straight!!!!!! :D:D

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by Ice-9
6. '89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - Looks like a slightly cooler Dodge Daytona, out-accelerates everything else but the 911 Turbo, for WAY less money. Out-handles the 911, too.

And looks far worse. Call me a purist, but I like the slope nose and big fenders.

And I simply assume you're talking about the '89 911's, right? Even so, wasn't that the first year of the C4? Oh, silly me, that was the year the C4's had massive understeer. Forget it...

Only problem with the 944's and 924's is their resale values are second only to that powerhouse, the 917. How's yours holding up, maintenance-wise?

[mp19fan]

Gotta give props to the 944, especially the relatively unknown 944S2. Good, clean, NA fun with handling that's second to none. Think it and the car is there...

Yeah, resale is crappy, but that's why if you can find a good used one w/ maintenance records, it'll be a steal. Lot's of fun to drive!

[hapoo]

no offense to anyone but for some reason whenever I think of Porsche's I picture the owner as some pansy ass rich man, focus is on the pansy ass.

[nhbilly]

D@mn your right on about the Mazda 323 GTX, KoalaFD.
These car handle so well.....when modified of course.
But you for got about the '86 >>>Trevino >>>> AKA Corolla GTS

[eSDee]

Im sorry fellas and/or gals, but would you mind if I added a SUV to the list? I think that the new Aztec is the ugliest hunk of metal to EVER hit the streets!! What were the designers thinking? Sheesh!

[cheapo]

yea that aztec is one of the ugliest...and not far from the ugliest is the hyundai tiburon

[Leon]

Originally posted by KoalaFD


4. Honda S2000 - Rich boy racer car #3. It may make 240hp but 151 ft-lbs? C'mon.... some serious oopmh is in order.




Plus, they break easy.

http://www.copartfinder.com/pix/20001101/06490460_5X.jpg

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by hapoo
no offense to anyone but for some reason whenever I think of Porsche's I picture the owner as some pansy ass rich man, focus is on the pansy ass.
And when I think BMW, I think someone who's trying to look like a pansy ass rich man, but failing miserably. That, or their pansy ass rich man father (who drives a Porsche) bought it for them.

[styleee]

Originally posted by Leon



Plus, they break easy.


you are toooo silly! :laugh: :laugh:

[Blu]

Overrated: Civic Si

Underrated: VW GTI

[Blu]

oh, and this Navigator:

http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/0201/images/lincoln.jpg

[pennypinch]

Ho
ly
shit

[speedracer120]

Severe waste of time, money, and effort.

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by pennypinch

Originally posted by Ice-9
6. '89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - Looks like a slightly cooler Dodge Daytona, out-accelerates everything else but the 911 Turbo, for WAY less money. Out-handles the 911, too.

And looks far worse. Call me a purist, but I like the slope nose and big fenders.


Very true. Stupid crack-smoking designers.



And I simply assume you're talking about the '89 911's, right? Even so, wasn't that the first year of the C4? Oh, silly me, that was the year the C4's had massive understeer. Forget it...

Only problem with the 944's and 924's is their resale values are second only to that powerhouse, the 917. How's yours holding up, maintenance-wise?

Uggh. Don't ask.

No, seriously, the engine, transmission, and all other essential driving parts are great, it's just everything else that wants to wear out at the drop of a hat. Like my damn headlights.

And what Transformers nightmare did that Navigator come out of?

[TheLoneGunman]

5. PT Cruiser - I'm sorry. I really hate these cars.

I nearly fell for the hype and bought one over full price.

Now I see the dealer lots bursting with these things!

HA HA HA HA

"All their PT Cruisers still belong to them" :heh:

[Blu]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman

5. PT Cruiser - I'm sorry. I really hate these cars.

I nearly fell for the hype and bought one over full price.

Now I see the dealer lots bursting with these things!

HA HA HA HA

"All their PT Cruisers still belong to them" :heh:
Someone definately set them up the bomb.

My grandfather has a 84 944 w/ under 40k on it. I don't think there's ever been a major mechanical problem with the car. Still starts, runs, looks pretty, and drives like a dream.

Blu

[clutchy]

hate to get in on the porsche bmw deal, but the porsche is a purists car simple as that. It's pure sport and it wasn't designed for anything else. The bmw on the other hand is a great performer, but it's a sports sedan it's for the sporty family guy who can't have his porsche, with the family. Totally different genre of car and both deserve alot of respect they've all come along way from what they used to be. I just don't agree with going to water cooled.

[clutchy]

oh yeah almost forgot, the only reason buick gn's and t-types aren't still kickin the shit out of corvette's, camaro's and fbirds is because gm saw what they were doing to the badass 3.8L and put a stop to it. Because you can't have one of your luctury lines smoking the tires off your sports car. True story i kid u not.

[hapoo]

you know why i dislike porsches. CAUSE I HATE, ABSOLUTELY HATE VW. Don't really know why.

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by hapoo
you know why i dislike porsches. CAUSE I HATE, ABSOLUTELY HATE VW. Don't really know why.

Please...a Porsche hasn't had a VW designed component in it since the 917.

[helius]

Originally posted by pennypinch

Originally posted by hapoo
you know why i dislike porsches. CAUSE I HATE, ABSOLUTELY HATE VW. Don't really know why.

Please...a Porsche hasn't had a VW designed component in it since the 917.

Didn't they work on a new SUV together?

[hapoo]

no its not that they share parts, its just the fact that VW owns porsche. Hell i wouldnt' mind having one, but the VW-ness of it *shivvers*

[phlick]

This ought to give you nightmares than hapoo:



http://www.vwvortex.com/news/01_01/NAIAS/Microbus/profile1.jpg


VW is doing more to change the modern concept of car design than any company. (with a possible exception of Dodge/Chrysler)

My favorite ad of theirs would have to be the one were it shows the new beetle and then the tag that went something to the effect of "other cars are starting to look strange".

[Edited by phlick on 03-10-2001 at 03:45 AM]

[helius]

That microbus concept is as ugly as an Aztek. :puke:

[styleee]

i like the aztec, but pretty much only cause logan cale drives one :)

[hapoo]

Originally posted by helius
That microbus concept is as ugly as an Aztek. :puke:

Thank you :)

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by hapoo
no its not that they share parts, its just the fact that VW owns porsche. Hell i wouldnt' mind having one, but the VW-ness of it *shivvers*
I love debunking myths...

http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/5/0,2163,91295,00.html

[helius]

Originally posted by styleee
i like the aztec, but pretty much only cause logan cale drives one :)

Okay, is it just me, or are more and more gals (and ~10% of guys) getting more and more vocal about liking the "geek chic" look?

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by clutchy
oh yeah almost forgot, the only reason buick gn's and t-types aren't still kickin the shit out of corvette's, camaro's and fbirds is because gm saw what they were doing to the badass 3.8L and put a stop to it. Because you can't have one of your luctury lines smoking the tires off your sports car. True story i kid u not.

Yeah, it's funny, but car makers seem to do that regularly. Even Porsche, obviously my favorite marque, changed the gearing in a certain one of its vehicles so that it wouldn't have as high a top speed as another, more expensive one. If you want to know the models you'll have to go check around, and I doubt Porsche wants that fact to be general knowledge.

Oh, and I just realized I posted a rant about Type Rs in the wrong damn thread! So here's a link if you want to see why I think Integra Type Rs are overrated.

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=130406#post130406

One more thing: I hate to burst your bubble, guys, but my 944 has parts in it with Audi and VW symbols on them. And they're the factory parts. Mostly relays and such, but they do cross over, apparently.

[clutchy]

you had some valid points there man, but that car is a superb work, not many people can brag that they have the stuff on their cars that that one comes with stock. The car isn't a straightline racer like american muscle it's kindof a mixture between a golf and an nsx. Usually i don't give too much credit to japanese cars and some of their "fake" horsepower cars ala vtec, but that vehicle is really incredible. If it wasnt so great i doubt all of the most popular car mags wouldn't have been raving about it since it came out. Granted it's no m3, porsche, or beemer but it's fun pure and simple.

[Ice-9]

Yeah, I guess I should really get out and drive one, huh?

I'm sure it's a great car, and I didn't mean to make it sound like I think it's a piece of crap, but I still DO think that it's overrated. Probably because it's among the best of the rice-rockets out there (or rice-burners or whatever you call them) and it naturally got a lot of attention from that whole crowd.

Or maybe it's just because I'm a german-car-ophile. :D Sorry, guess it's my genes. (My family background's about 75% German) Let me know when somebody on the list gets one, and I'll drive it and tell you what I think. Or you can race it against my Porsche.

[DaFunkyUnit]

i dont know if anyone else realizes the fact that there is a negative stereotype for every car mentioned.

can someone name an automobile that has no negative connatations attached? something non-Rice Rocket, non-pansy ass, and non-Grrl Power, etc...

[Ice-9]

A Corvette?

Not too expensive, definitely not rice, not girly, not pansy, not hick (like Trans Am/Camaro). The perfect sports car?

[helius]

Originally posted by Ice-9
A Corvette?

Not too expensive, definitely not rice, not girly, not pansy, not hick (like Trans Am/Camaro). The perfect sports car?

Corvettes just scream "midlife crisis". :)

[Ice-9]

Damn. Nice cars, though. Almost worthy of being a Porsche. :D

[KoalaFD]

Perhaps the Mclaren F1.

I really can't think of anything else.

[speedracer120]

Originally posted by KoalaFD


Perhaps the Mclaren F1.

I really can't think of anything else.



It screams rob me, I'm too rich. ;)

I think DaFunkyUnit was right, all cars do have some type of negative stereotype.

[hapoo]

surely not the M3 :D

[KoalaFD]

Ya see, hapoo, the problem with M3 does not lie fundamentally in the car.

It's that the drivers turn their noses up to anything else because someone told them that their M3 was the fastest thing ever. And they beleived them.

I've dealt with more than my share of snotty M3 drivers. And while you may not be the same (if you have an M3), you CANNOT tell me that those that drive M3s have a complex - an "M3 complex" if you will.

[styleee]

Originally posted by helius


Okay, is it just me, or are more and more gals (and ~10% of guys) getting more and more vocal about liking the "geek chic" look?

hey, i like all the cuties :)

logan just happens to top my list. i love him!
& i hope he isn't a cripple anymore. we'll all find out tonight!

[hapoo]

Originally posted by KoalaFD

Ya see, hapoo, the problem with M3 does not lie fundamentally in the car.

It's that the drivers turn their noses up to anything else because someone told them that their M3 was the fastest thing ever. And they beleived them.

I've dealt with more than my share of snotty M3 drivers. And while you may not be the same (if you have an M3), you CANNOT tell me that those that drive M3s have a complex - an "M3 complex" if you will.




hmmphhhh I will say good day to you sir. *Looks up, turns around, walks away and bumps into a wall cause he was looking at the sky* :banghead:

[helius]

Originally posted by hapoo

Originally posted by KoalaFD

Ya see, hapoo, the problem with M3 does not lie fundamentally in the car.

It's that the drivers turn their noses up to anything else because someone told them that their M3 was the fastest thing ever. And they beleived them.

I've dealt with more than my share of snotty M3 drivers. And while you may not be the same (if you have an M3), you CANNOT tell me that those that drive M3s have a complex - an "M3 complex" if you will.




hmmphhhh I will say good day to you sir. *Looks up, turns around, walks away and bumps into a wall cause he was looking at the sky* :banghead:

You forgot to take off your driving gloves and smack him in the face with them. :heh::heh::heh:

[speedracer120]

Hapoo you can't convince everyone that the M3 is THE car.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by speedracer120
Hapoo you can't convince everyone that the M3 is THE car.


your absolutely right!!!


I dont need to convince anyone that M3 is THE car, everyone knows it is :P

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by helius
You forgot to take off your driving gloves and smack him in the face with them. :heh::heh::heh: [/B]

Nah, everybody's got driving gloves. You have to take off your driving SHOES and smack him. Now that would be funny. Have you seen those driving shoes? They crack me up.

And hapoo, do you like the M3 better than the M5 or the M Roadster?

[hapoo]

Originally posted by Ice-9
[QUOTE]Originally posted by helius
And hapoo, do you like the M3 better than the M5 or the M Roadster?

Since i can't afford to even step near one its all the same :)
If i wanted to buy one i'd get the M3 coupe, I prefer the M3 over the M5, and the M Roadster must be a blast to drive but I think the M3 is more practical, for me anyway.

[Sportzcoop]

How about a Nissan Maxima? at least the 95-98 model

[clutchy]

parents have one of those, you'd be surprised how fast it is. Spanks 325conv. and would probably spank my 88 buick park ave./ which by the way i like bragging about spanked a 328, reason i know cause my friend was driving it.

About the type R i'd love to drive one too man, but i'm in the same boat with u 91 honda and i don't have any stinkin money.

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by Ice-9

Originally posted by helius
You forgot to take off your driving gloves and smack him in the face with them. :heh::heh::heh:

Nah, everybody's got driving gloves. You have to take off your driving SHOES and smack him. Now that would be funny. Have you seen those driving shoes? They crack me up.

And hapoo, do you like the M3 better than the M5 or the M Roadster? [/B]

Hey!!
That's my face you're talkin' about! :P

[hapoo]

Originally posted by KoalaFD

Hey!!
That's my face you're talkin' about! :P


:umm: thats your face??? I thought you were mooning me.

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by KoalaFD
Hey!!
That's my face you're talkin' about! :P


Yeah, but just picture getting smacked with a driving shoe. They're so cushy and flimsy-looking that it probably wouldn't hurt anyway. And it would be worth it for the picture you could post on the forums. :heh: :heh:

[Nanotech9]

Originally posted by Ice-9
6. '89 Porsche 944 Turbo S - Looks like a slightly cooler Dodge Daytona, out-accelerates everything else but the 911 Turbo, for WAY less money. Out-handles the 911, too.

Oh, and...

7. Audi RS4 - 0-60 in 4.9. But here's the catch: it's a freaking station wagon. I'm gonna get one for my mom so she can take the high school kids in their Supras and Mustangs off the line. :D

I would drive a station wagon that would to that... :D

Also, about the 944... Now you've peaked? my interest in it... I've always considered buying one of these since they're so cheap (compared to other porches), but I've been reluctant, because I've wondered about their mechanical reliability, and their repairability (do-it-yourself repairs). Does anyone know the top speed / 0-60 speed of the average 944?

[Nanotech9]

what about this one:

1995 Porsche 968 Turbo S
http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?y=1995&m=Porsche&o=968%20Turbo%20S

Power: 227.4 kw / 305.0 bhp @ 5400 rpm
Torque: 500.0 nm / 368.8 ft lbs @ 3000 rpm
0-60: 4.5 sec.

thts pretty good for a 4-banger isn't it?

[pennypinch]

I think it was the most powerful production 4 of all time...still, I haven't seen a 968 in a long time. They were pretty generally reviled by Porschephiles, as they didn't have much get-up, but by all accounts, they handled really well because they were so light. Also, nothing a chip couldn't help...

[Ice-9]

Heheh, yep. Any time Porsche puts out a "Turbo S" model, look out. They take their model names SERIOUSLY. :D

[KoalaFD]

Another addition to my "overrated" list:

The Lexus IS300 - Look-at-me-I-used-to-be-a-ricer-now-I'm-a-pimp-by-night-day-trader-by-light. Plus it started that whole stupid-ass "Altezza" light crap.

[clutchy]

the altezza is a nice car man, for a first production year they did ok, but what's up with the lack of a 5-spd. The porsche 944, which i used to love and the turbo model also are great cars they're fast light and really nimble through the turns however they break and break and break and break not to insult anyone who has one that's the facts from an overall perspective, and before anyone says it i'm sure yours is reliable, but most aren't. Theyre fun i'll say that, but the older ones get expensive really quick.
As far as speed the N/A 944 is a goat they're really pretty slow, but man the turbo screams that car flies once the turbo spins up. I dig the car, but honestly i can't recommend it to anyone.

[KoalaFD]

You may be right, clutchy. But for a car that was so hyped to do only "ok" on its first year... I'd consider that "overrated". Maybe if the 2.0L turbocharged version were here, I would be thinking differently. But I'd rather buy a BMW or an Audi.

Plus, you can't deny the evil that was spawned with those rear taillights... which look ok on the Altezza... and nothing else.

[clutchy]

overrated, yes i hope i never said it wasn't, that car was hyped and overrated so much, but everything is nowadays, audi's are bad man, and well bmw speeks for itself. We'll see what happens with the turbo. yeah i don't know what's up with people trying to make their car look like another car... go figure. stupid tail lights.

[Apex]

For the Altezza, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the top of the line in japan was the 2.0l 4cylindar, 5 valve/cylindar Yamaha built normally aspirated engine. The engine in the US car actually rocks pretty good and plenty (it's the normally aspirated inline-6 Supra/SC300/GS300 engine). Besides, there will be plenty of things to pump that up:

http://speedoptions.com/articles/653/pic09.jpg

That's a Vortec.

http://speedoptions.com/news_article.asp?aID=653

I'm just waiting for the manual before I go test-drive one.

Honestly, for $31-2k, I'd much rather one of these than the crappy BMW you'd have to settle for with this amount of cash.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by Apex
Honestly, for $31-2k, I'd much rather one of these than the crappy BMW you'd have to settle for with this amount of cash.

:eek2:
who.. :disa: Wha... :disa:
How can you even say the word crappy in the same sentence as BMW??? :dodgy:

[Apex]

LOL, how did I know the next post would be Hapoo's? Come on Hapoo, you got to admit, BMW's made some seriously crappy cars along with their nice cars (ie. would you drive a 318ti???)

[hapoo]

lol I wouldn't get near a 318ti with a ten foot pole!

[KoalaFD]

Yeah Apex, you're right. There's no stock 2.0 turbo version. I put "the" instead of "a"... sorry!

Audi is bad??? I'm almost offended. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you're talking about the old Audis. Why do you think that?

[Nanotech9]

Originally posted by Apex
http://speedoptions.com/articles/653/pic09.jpg
That's a Vortec.



GAG!
WTF is that? an excuse for an engine?
Here is a couple a REAL engines for ya:

'96 F355 Spider
http://members.aol.com/Rolexzzz/pics/BlkF355r.jpg

'99 Lamborghini Diablo: VT Alpine edition 12of12
http://www.veratex.com/41.jpg

[Ice-9]

Originally posted by clutchy
As far as speed the N/A 944 is a goat...

Hold up, I know you didn't just call my car a goat. Right? What do you drive again?

I'm not really serious, my car does take tons of work and isn't that fast, but it certainly toasts the majority of the riced-out civics and integras around Berkeley. And on Rt. 1 on a nice afternoon, with dry roads, it positively screams.

As for the battle over the Altezza, it seems to me that it's just one more decent, reliable, japanese car that's easy to modify extensively. Basically like a higher-class Civic. Nothing special in my eyes, but then, I'm really just not into the whole fiberglass and vinyl tape thing. The rice rockets that impress me are the ones that look basically stock except for some bigger wheels, but can dust my car off the line. Engine work, not body mods, that's where it's at.

Oh, and I'm even more impressed by the ones that can stop at the next light instead of running it because they didn't upgrade their brakes. :D

Here's another engine, too.
http://www.porsche.com/english/news/modelinformation/carreragt/engine/bilder/foto3_zoom.jpg

[clutchy]

hehe, i drive an old accord with basically what u mentioned exhaust header and an intake no body mods no stickers. I did it a couple of years ago when i thought it would make my car faster, but the only thing it's done is give me better gas mileage which i don't mind at all. I live up in napa maybe we could uh stage a race or something, hehe jk, i was talking about the 944 in comparison to other porsches you'd spank the crap out of me, but if i still had my buick it would be on...

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Apex

Honestly, for $31-2k, I'd much rather one of these than the crappy BMW you'd have to settle for with this amount of cash.


Hey man, I just bought one of those crappy BMWs you talk about. To be honest, i liked the BMW better than the IS300 during my test drive. Something about dishing out over 30k for a toyota seemed rather unsettling to me. Not to mention the fact that it kinda looks like a Honda with clear tail lights.

[hapoo]

hot damn, what did you get??? :D (gimme specific info)

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by hapoo
hot damn, what did you get??? :D (gimme specific info)
I got me a 2001 BMW 325i
-184hp 2.5 liter inline 6
-wood trim
-10 speaker stereo/cd (didn't want to get the haman/kardon system...too much$)
-power seats
-moonroof
-16" allow wheels
-5 speed automatic (its also has sports and manual transmission modes. I live in So Cal so there is no way I'm getting a stick)

Silver with black interior. Perfect for So Cal summers. haahaa. (I'm gonna fry).
I love the car. Granted there are tons of people who have one around these parts, but apparently, there is a reason.
I'm leasing it so I don't worry about the maintenance because its all included for 3 years...when the contract expires I'll just get another series. I don't even have to pay for oil changes!! Now if only gas was included....

[hapoo]

*drool*

I hate leases but how much are you paying?

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by hapoo
*drool*

I hate leases but how much are you paying?

About 550 a month. Traded in my 93 Mazda MX6 as downpayment. 15k miles a year is plenty for me considering I live like 5 miles from work. The best part is that I get to switch to a newer model every 2-3 years. Since I like to drive new cars, it works out great for me.

[Nanotech9]

-5 speed automatic (its also has sports and manual transmission modes. I live in So Cal so there is no way I'm getting a stick)

huh? r u saying you can't take off on a hill w/o rolling back or something? i don't get it...

[Ice-9]

The traffic. It's freaking awful, if SoCal is like NorCal. I don't even like to drive my car in Berkeley because I'm just grinding away in first the whole time. I drive my roommate's automatic Saturn a good part of the time around town, and my car when I want to go somewhere that involves highway driving.

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Nanotech9
huh? r u saying you can't take off on a hill w/o rolling back or something? i don't get it...

Yup, its the traffic, just like Ice-9 said. It's a pain getting around. Besides, the only way for me to get a stick shift was if I special order it, since most drive automatic here.

[shoeish]

Underrated: Ford Contour SVT

200hp, $22,000 new (all options including leather, not available with automatic tranny)

http://www.contour.org/cgi/showpic.pl?/profiles/jpg/D-Tim/svt01.jpg

[caddelma]

I could certainly agree on that! Loads of fun and no rice! My wifes' 4-cyl contour w/75k still can get up and run.

[rollhard]

id have to disagree with the supra being over rated. that car is a monster. 0-60 5.1seconds from the factory and the way the jz engine responds to simple bolt ons is incredible.
most overated car has to be the mustang and the civic si.
the other day a riceboy in a civic si tried to race me. when he downshifted and his coffee can exhaust started to sing chinese opera, i simply floored it in 5ht gear. we were going about 43mph and i pulled on him in 5th gear! i couldnt stop laughing and the funniest thing is that i had four people in my little eclipse. mustangs are also overated. yes, they can be made to go fast . i used to feel nervous racing them but after hitting the track against alot of them. NO FEAR, not on the streets for sure. and dont fear the big hood scoops or ram air, cuz 90% of the time its fake. i know cuz i sell alot of them to those guys.
peace!

[KoalaFD]

As I said before... the Supra is not overrated by the vast populus. Even in its stock trim, it is a very fast car (albeit kind of a boat in the sports car world) and responds incredibly well to little modification.

It's the owners.
It's all about the owners.

Look at Supraforums.com one of these days and tell me that they do not overrate their vehicles and I'll tell you that you're a liar. Sure. The Supra is a fast car. But when you tell me that your stock "Supdawg" whooped up on a Porsche 911T, Ferrari, or Lamborghini... please.

That in itself has earned the Supra the stamp of overrated. If Supra owners were normal, it wouldn't be so.

Ah yes, and did you hear that Marko (9 second Supra) of Supraforums challenged the Hennessey twin turbo Viper to a 1 mile race?? Supraforums claims that Marko will run all over the snake because of its superior 1/4 mile time (9 sec something vs. 10.45). What they may have failed to realize is that the Viper was only running 6-7psi....

Oh... whoops, Marko has a new setup. A V-12 perhaps? :)

[Ice-9]

Heheh. Somebody came onto the 944 mailing list that I subscribe to and challenged the entire list to race him and his 410 hp '96 Eclipse GS-T. Apparently somebody told him that 944s would be easy prey, or maybe he just wanted to brag that he beat a Porsche.

To make a long story short, somebody took him up on his offer, set up a track date, and whupped his ass in half a dozen drag races. A 944 Turbo S with a little modification will make 450 hp without any trouble, and the handling is far better than a lot of comparably-powered cars.

This isn't to say that Eclipses are overrated (although they are in many cases), I just thought it was funny. German cars rule! :D

[rollhard]

ok the altezza being the supra n/a/gs300/sc300 engine, the engine can really rock. fmax makes a turo kit for the car is it was dynoed at a reliable and streetable 320BHP.
so hey for about $4600 you get a street monstor. i guess the only draw back then is its sad automatice only availability. i just sold a kit to a customer and im waiting for him to get that thing installed and dyned so we all will know if it performs as it claims. i like the way the car looks, maybe except for the rear lights(probably cuz its played out). oh well, peace

[KoalaFD]

Gee... sounds just like a normal Supra engine to me. What kind of output do you get when you turbocharge the N/A Supra 3.0L? Maybe... a turbo Supra 3.0L?... say 320BHP?

Street monster?
I think not. Find me when you have a dyno chart that reads in RWHP and I may believe you.

Until then... it's a sport sedan with a turbo kit and ugly taillights.

[Apex]

http://www.is300.tv/is300/132psi.jpg

IS300
XS Engineering
13 psi
SAE Output:
415 hp
419 torque

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by Apex
http://www.is300.tv/is300/132psi.jpg

IS300
XS Engineering
13 psi
SAE Output:
415 hp
419 torque


I bow in deference. :)
Very nice!

But this is tuned more than your average turbocharged IS300, no? XS Engineering doesn't really futz around all that much with the cars that they actually stick their names on.

And I see where you got the 320HP "streetable and reliable" from...

The FMax site:

"We present to you our Bolt-on turbo system for the 2JZGE powered Supra of normal aspiration, Lexus SC300 and GS300. What our package offers is a complete system that reliably delivers double the BHP you initially purchased from the dealership. From the factory your system only produces 160-175 BHP, with the factory quoting 220 HP. After installation of the turbo system expect to produce 320 reliable BHP"

Let's see what your customer gets.

[Edited by KoalaFD on 04-19-2001 at 03:31 PM]

[Apex]

Yeah, it's a $7500 job I believe, parts and labor.