There is a God!

[KoalaFD]

Recall on "Euro"/"Altezza" lights. Don't know why.


http://fmvss108.tripod.com/recalls.htm

[speedracer120]

I hate those lights!!!

It seems every idiot has those lights, even on Chevy Astros. :rolleyes: They look great on the real Lexus, but don't try make your car look like one, cause your doing a bad job!

*walking away from the soap box*

[Ice-9]

...and there was much rejoicing.

:D

[rollhard]

you guys didnt know that putting altezza style lamps on your car makes good horsepower increase? or so the riceboy bible says.

my two cents.

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by rollhard.com
you guys didnt know that putting altezza style lamps on your car makes good horsepower increase? or so the riceboy bible says.

my two cents.




You mock the lights and yet, rollhard.... they make an appearance on your site...

http://www.rollhard.com/lighting.htm

http://www.rollhard.com/integraaltezza.gif

http://www.rollhard.com/neonaltezza.gif

http://www.rollhard.com/civicaltezza.gif

Look familiar!?!? :P

[Ice-9]

Heheh, the conflicting ideologies of good taste and a fat wallet.

[rollhard]

hey guys, its the market out there. personally, i think they are kinda gay. recent requests for them have caused us to carry them. and you wouldnt believe the amount we sell. we ahve people with freaking camaros looking for them! that and the infamous power adding type "r" stickers. rice or no rice, its a business. do i like it? no, but hey it sells. i hate merely sticking the "RP" logo and rollhard.com on our track car, but it is a requirement by sponsors, etc.

[rum]

Anyone know why they were recalled?

[nhtsamike]

Originally posted by rollhard.com
hey guys, its the market out there. personally, i think they are kinda gay. recent requests for them have caused us to carry them. and you wouldnt believe the amount we sell.

Rollhard Performance
869 Rt. 73 S.
Marlton, NJ 08053
http://www.rollhard.com/


Did you know that it is a violation of Federal law for regulated parties (Manufacturers, distributors, dealers, motor vehicle repair businesses) to sell or install motor vehicle equipment that does not comply with Federal safety standards (49 U.S.C. 30112)?

Also, do you realize that NHTSA has the authority to fine regulated parties up to $5,000 per violation (each item sold that was non-complying), with a maximum civil penalty for a series of violations up to $15 million?

Businesses, regardless of size, should be aware that NHTSA has active enforcement programs for its safety standards, in particular, FMVSS No. 108.

[rollhard]

and your point is?

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by rollhard.com

and your point is?

Don't worry about that, man. I doubt that "NHTSA Mike" came on to Got Apex to post that one message because he heard about a "safety infarction".

Plus, you can sell all you want if it is specified that these are for off-road use only. If they feel like putting it on their car, that's their problem.

;)

[ArkiStan]

Originally posted by rollhard.com

and your point is?

ROFLMAO

Now that is too funny....

[ArkiStan]

Hey nhtsamike, welcome to the forum. You wouldn't happen to know where I could get some of those super duper bright headlights would you? I also need some new clear corners.

[Edited by ucbstan on 04-20-2001 at 12:56 AM]

[nhtsamike]

Originally posted by rollhard.com

and your point is?

Rollhard.com: My point is, regulated parties (regardless of size) need to be cautious relative to the compliance of products they sell with applicable safety standards. Since the internet is a recognized advertising medium, information provided here may be utilized to initiate enforcement actions for possible noncompliances with Federal safety standards. Below is a listing of companies that sell or install aftermarket lighting equipment that have undergone NHTSA enforcement actions recently, based, in part, on information retrieved from the internet. Feel free to give me a call if you have any further questions.

KoalaFD: The use of the terms "off-road use only," or similar, are not sufficient to exclude lighting equipment from the applicability of FMVSS No. 108 if they are, in fact, capable of being used as replacement lamps. You can view the NHTSA legal interpretation at: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/files/18167.ztv.html

ucbstan: :P

Autosupermart.com
Osram Sylvania
Federal Mogul
Philips Lighting Company
Gwinnett Honda
Troncalli Nissan
True Indications
Kriss Industries
Masterack
General Electric
American Products Co. (First action)
CK Motoring Accessories (Focuz)
Wang's International (Pilot Automotive)
JKL Corporation
Robocar
Versus Tuning
American Products Co. (Second action)
Ritar Enterprises
Outback Products (OBX Racing)
Car Wear USA
Keystone Automotive
JC Whitney
Ultimate Product Corp

[rollhard]

uhm....yeah ok.

[KoalaFD]

Originally posted by nhtsamike

Originally posted by rollhard.com

and your point is?

Rollhard.com: My point is, regulated parties (regardless of size) need to be cautious relative to the compliance of products they sell with applicable safety standards. Since the internet is a recognized advertising medium, information provided here may be utilized to initiate enforcement actions for possible noncompliances with Federal safety standards. Below is a listing of companies that sell or install aftermarket lighting equipment that have undergone NHTSA enforcement actions recently, based, in part, on information retrieved from the internet. Feel free to give me a call if you have any further questions.

KoalaFD: The use of the terms "off-road use only," or similar, are not sufficient to exclude lighting equipment from the applicability of FMVSS No. 108 if they are, in fact, capable of being used as replacement lamps. You can view the NHTSA legal interpretation at: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/files/18167.ztv.html

ucbstan: :P

Autosupermart.com
Osram Sylvania
Federal Mogul
Philips Lighting Company
Gwinnett Honda
Troncalli Nissan
True Indications
Kriss Industries
Masterack
General Electric
American Products Co. (First action)
CK Motoring Accessories (Focuz)
Wang's International (Pilot Automotive)
JKL Corporation
Robocar
Versus Tuning
American Products Co. (Second action)
Ritar Enterprises
Outback Products (OBX Racing)
Car Wear USA
Keystone Automotive
JC Whitney
Ultimate Product Corp

Whatever... I don't sell those or have those parts on my cars. I don't think that it's appropriate for for you to go after small businesses like rollhard.com. Perhaps this is just my morality speaking and not law (which I'm sure it is), but go after the guys who make them - APC and whoever else. Just another reason to levy a fine against someone and an interpretation of the law to further "hate on" (as they would say), the "import scene".

Wait till the feds come after you for your clear corners. Heheh... pre-ban clear corners, like pre-ban guns. Now that's a concept.

I wonder if the domestic market has ever had such flak directed against it. I'm sure it has. Just not recently. And certainly not in terms of enforcement.

Do what you want with those taillights. I hate 'em anyways. Just don't take away my guns.

A question, though: Does this ignoring the "off-road use" criteria (not passing judgement on whether this is right or wrong, I just can't think of a word other than "ignore" to describe it), apply to other components as well? Suspension, engine modifications, etc?

Oh yeah, and one more question: Is SEMA not happy with this?
:P

[nhtsamike]

Originally posted by KoalaFD

Whatever... I don't sell those or have those parts on my cars. I don't think that it's appropriate for for you to go after small businesses like rollhard.com. Perhaps this is just my morality speaking and not law (which I'm sure it is), but go after the guys who make them - APC and whoever else. Just another reason to levy a fine against someone and an interpretation of the law to further "hate on" (as they would say), the "import scene".

Wait till the feds come after you for your clear corners. Heheh... pre-ban clear corners, like pre-ban guns. Now that's a concept.

I wonder if the domestic market has ever had such flak directed against it. I'm sure it has. Just not recently. And certainly not in terms of enforcement.

Do what you want with those taillights. I hate 'em anyways. Just don't take away my guns.

A question, though: Does this ignoring the "off-road use" criteria (not passing judgement on whether this is right or wrong, I just can't think of a word other than "ignore" to describe it), apply to other components as well? Suspension, engine modifications, etc?

Oh yeah, and one more question: Is SEMA not happy with this?
:P


[/B]

KoalaFD: It is interesting that you made the following comment, "but go after the guys who make them - APC," because it appears that this is why you started this thread in the first place. (Due to a recall on "Euro"/"Altezza" lights)

It is also interesting that you would note that the law is trying "to further "hate on" (as they would say), the "import scene"." It has been my experience that sales for these types of products for vehicles such as the Ford F150, Chevy S10, and Chevy C/K pickups are equivalent (and may quite possibly exceed) the sales for the Honda Civic, Accord, and the Acura Integra. This is a generalization, however, I don't believe that these products can be categorically associated with the "import scene" any longer.

I stand behind my prior comments relative to the Federal laws as they relate to businesses that sell or install lighting products that fail to comply with the Federal safety standards. Furthermore, I would like to note that NHTSA retains records on many regulated parties, (gained through enforcement actions or research) and many of these records are available to the public. It is not uncommon to receive requests for information from attorneys representing clients who were injured in a motor vehicle accident. I imagine that if their client had "illegal" taillamps on the vehicle at the time of the accident, attorneys would be very interested in discovering information which may indicate that the business (that sold the taillamps) may have known they did not meet the Federal safety standards at the time of sale. Whether a message forum like this is sufficient to convince a jury probably depends on the quality of the attorney. The bottom line is that companies, regardless of size, need to realize that there are liabilities associated with the products they sell.

I'm confused as to your comment concerning clear corners. I don't have them, nor have I ever had them on any of my vehicles.

It is possible that other Federal agencies have adopted the position concerning "off-road use." I, however, was only referring to this as it pertained to motor vehicle lighting products.

Concerning SEMA. To the best of my knowledge, I have not heard of any complaints filed by SEMA concerning this issue.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to call.

[rollhard]

Dear Mr. Mike Cole DUDE,

man you are taking your job way too seriously. i really doubt that they instructed or suggested that you go into different forums on the net and post your remarkable insight in highway safety standards. so, i take it that you are here on your own time. please, just relax. i personally dont see why the light can cause a "safety" issue, esp when they are EXACTLY the same thing that is on the lexus is300. they are just formed to fit the car. all the standards are there, the red relecting to behind cars, red light when driver brakes, turn signals are still amber or yellow. i just dont see what the heck your point to all of this is. you posted that business, etc blah blah can be fined or whatever, along with all these codes of standards or whatever. can you just tell me what your point is? and you dont ahve to speak so professionally. your posts dont have to be in business format or antything, no one here is going to think of you any less. youre not going to have a more "professional" reputation in these forums. just staet what your point is. is your point a threat or advice for us to stop selling these lights/covers? is it to tell everyone that you work for the smokey the bear of highway safety, or what? it personally doesnt matter to me whether my company sells these stupid lights or not. eveyone of my customers is informed by our sales representatives that we are not responsible for tickets or them breaking the laws. it is their responsiblilty to check with there local laws and regulations about aftermarket parts they purchase.