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froggystyle
04-18-2001, 05:55 PM
I posted this in response to a thread in the suckage forums but i wanted to get input from you all here in off topic too

Have you ever been on Napster and downloaed a song only to find out that when you play the song it doesnt match its title...I.E. you download a Dave Matthews song only to find out that when you play it its really some lame musical.

well I figured out why

I too have come across this inconvenience and i can tell you why this is... I dont know how many of you are familliar with ftp sites but it is a big little business. Basically it works like this..an individual will post his music/vids/warez...etc on an ftp site. He then will ofer accounts to look at his collection on sites such as oth.net. To gain full acces he will make you click on some banners or sign up for services...etc hence he profits when you want his music through banner adds... etc. Now i tried this a few times and decided it wasnt worth it...until i began to notice that some ftps were offering unreleased material..so frantically i signed up with all the services...etc only to find that the ftp was constantly flooded with users... or the songs werent really the unrelease material they were just renamed files...a sham to get you to click the banners and go to the sites....

So now ive got a dave matthews song that is realy a group of no talent hacks...or some lame musical or whatever and it sits on my comp for a few days before i decide to gather the energy it takes to drag and drop it into my recycle bin.

in that time...my napster is open and twenty people download this fake song...and from them twenty more...you see where im going with this...in a matter of weeks thsi bs song is all over napster..and there you go

now...being in a band i see a way to gain off this.. encode a demo song of my band..rename the file to something in the style of what i do and bam..instant distribution..as you know it doesnt matter what a songs name is..when playing in winamp the encoded title appears..

So at this point i ask a question to you all...do you think that if the recording industry didnt go through all this trouble...that napster would destroy itself with all these fake songs and such.

TheLoneGunman
04-18-2001, 06:21 PM
I am not sure of how this is really a benefit.

Let's pretend that I can sing. I record my song and then label it as "Bruce Springstein -- Pirated Demo tape"

Through the viral process you describe, about 100 idiots get the track.

Now, one of several things will happen:

1. They realize it is a fake and immediately delete
2. They think it is really the Boss, but figure it must have been during a period when he really sucked, so they delete it
3. They think it is really the Boss and they like it. They try to find the CD it is on, but obviously can't so they give up and sell their copy on EBay for thousands to some hapless collector.
4. They realize it is a fake, but like it. Since there is nothing to identify it as me, they can't find my CD to buy it and make me money.

Therefore, there is NO SCENARIO in which the creator of the fake will actually profit.

fakesurfers
04-18-2001, 06:29 PM
banner ftps are total absolute bullshit
dont play ball, those people are jerks (always)
now, a ratio ftp, that's another story

froggystyle
04-19-2001, 08:23 AM
tlg... you are wrong....

first off... the file may be titled bruce springsteen...but inside the song will be titled whatever it really is so when you drop it in winamp it will display the encoded song name...so yes the listener knows what your bands name is

second....its more than a hundred...way more....cause those hundred leave them there for the next hundred....they split of like a tree....

thrd....for some bizzare reason, what makes this work is that fact that nobody deletes these songs...if you do a search now you can still find coppies of certain eminem songs that are really sir mix alot...this is the oddity that allows this entire system to work