What the hell are people thinking about death??

[stupidzbu]

did these morons actually think that a court would allow them to livestream the timothy mcveigh execution???

what the hell are they THINKING?! imagine the LAW-SUITS against the company from THOUSANDS of people suiing for mental anguish or something like that...

hehehhe

the courts said that first amendment does not include taping or audio recordings.. so they were assed out...

what do u people think?

not whether you would watch or not (cause we would ALL watch)... but is it alright to livestream this... via internet or tv?


and.. let's just say that the romans killed in the colloseum.. but that was A LONG LONG time ago.. and our civilization is somewhat PAST that era... no you can't use that an as excuse..

[TheLoneGunman]

Retribution in all its glory:

http://www.courttv.com/news/mcveigh_special/


I would love to see all their faces when it is revealed that the bombing was not at all like it has been portrayed.
I wonder if Tim will get any sympathy.

The public gets so wrapped up in vindictiveness that they lose sight of reality.

Us vs. Them is becoming the law of the land, but one day people will realize that Us and Them are really the same.

[LPMiller]

huh?

Did timmy boy bomb OK or what? Did kids die?

Then nuke him slow.

[welfareloser]

i don't care if its televised or not. i actually wouldn't watch it. i've watched death, and its pretty un-impressive. there's really nothing to see. we know he's going to die, and the only thing you will see is his breathing stop. whoopee. you want to see a harrowing execution, watch "dancer in the dark."

i bet the biggest reason they don't want to televise is that the results are unpredictable. most of the time an injection will give you a quiet death, but what if the guy suddenly starts screaming shit like "i will rise again in 2008 and then the apocalypse will begin!" and then his eyeballs pop out. that being a pretty impressive display, we'd have a couple thousand people making mcveigh the new jesus and starting a friggin civil war in 2008.

[topane]

Originally posted by LPM
Then nuke him slow. yeah, they should fry him, revive him, then suffocate him, then revive him, then shoot his kneecaps, sodomize him with a chainsaw, cut off his head with a butterknife, then we should all get to stand in line and piss on his body.

[fakesurfers]

Executing him is foolish. This man wants to be a martyr. By killing him young, that's the way he will be remembered by the next generation of militia people. Let him get old in a cell. He wants to die, he agreed to forgoe his appeals for a reason, and you and the government and the rest of the American public are playing right into his hands.

Also, what happened to John Doe #2? There are still a lot of questions surrounding this act. Do we ever want to get the real story? 10 or 15 years from, Mcveigh may have a change of heart. Why do you think the government wants him dead so quickly? State death row cases ususally take over a decade. Federal cases take even longer.

Dont believe the hype.

[Rain]

Actually McVeigh himself is the one that wants himself dead quickly, that's why he gave up all appeals. As for watching the death of him, I think everyone (including myself) that feels he should die should be forced to watch it. And only after that, if you still feel that people should die for certain crimes, only then should you be able to say something about capital punishment. I personally don't think I'd have a problem watching it, but there's some people out there (A couple of friends of mine come to mind) that preach about his death, but wouldn't have the stomach/heart to watch it.

[apmiller]

I say if this clown wants to have a public death so bad then just let him loose on the streets in OK and watch as hundreds of people come out of the woodwork to kick this guys a$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

[fabfore1]

Originally posted by apmiller
I say if this clown wants to have a public death so bad then just let him loose on the streets in OK and watch as hundreds of people come out of the woodwork to kick this guys a$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

Yeah, I agree, let the people of Oklahoma take care of him. :splat:

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by topane
yeah, they should fry him, revive him, then suffocate him, then revive him, then shoot his kneecaps, sodomize him with a chainsaw, cut off his head with a butterknife, then we should all get to stand in line and piss on his body.

Not sure if you are aware of the number of INNOCENT people executed in this country.

What happens if after you engage in this torture you find out that he was not guilty of the crime you convicted him of?

Can we do this to you?
Do we simply pay his family?

It is bad enough that we constantly lock up innocent people and then later let them go. Now we compound it by killing some of them and if topane has his way, torturing them too.

-----------

If you think he is guilty, what will it solve anyway? In 1997, the Dallas Morning News did a landmark series where they talked to Death Row inmates and nearly all said the threat of the death penalty had no influence on their crimes. This was in the state that killed more people than anywhere else so they knew they had a good chance of it being carried out.
If I was in a situation where I knew I was facing your methods of torture, I would not hesitate to kill and torture anyone else I could because I would have nothing to lose (you can't kill me twice). There would be no incentive for me to give up in a hostage standoff and instead I would be motivated to rape, torture, maim and then kill each of the hostages because I already knew I was going to die. That is one of the reasons that Israel doesn't automatically give the death penalty to terrorists (there would be nothing to negotiate with).

[topane]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
if topane has his way, torturing them too.Hey, if he's the guilty party, death is too good for him. It's too quick, too painless. Yes, there are innocent ppl wrongly executed and that sucks, but if you find somebody guilty of a horrific crime, well, show no mercy.

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
Can we do this to you?:laugh::laugh::laugh: If I were ever guilty of such a horrific crime, yes. But I think I'm a little too stable for that.

[gwilks98]

I'm not an advocate of capital punishment, but I understand people have different views on this. The constitution does state that executions are to be made public. Does it include internet broadcasting? Who the hell knows...they didn't have computers when that law was written. Who cares if it's public anywho? Shouldn't the only superpower have something better to worry about? (like getting a damn plane back)

[Jenny]

I grew up 45 min. away from Oklahoma City and lived there until I moved to college and then got married and moved to Kansas. I was a month away from graduation when the bombing happened, so it had a tremendous effect on us. One of my brother's best friend's mom died. She was a veterinarian that happened to be going to the state vet offices (or something to that effect) in the Federal Building. She was running late. Had she been there on time (at 8:00 instead of 9:00), she would not have died.

I hope T.McV. rots in hell for what he did. As for what TLGunman has said, "What happens if after you engage in this torture you find out that he was not guilty of the crime you convicted him of?" & "I would love to see all their faces when it is revealed that the bombing was not at all like it has been portrayed. I wonder if Tim will get any sympathy." You sound like you don't care that he DID this horrific act and killed 186 people!

And as for fakesurfers: "Executing him is foolish. This man wants to be a martyr. By killing him young, that's the way he will be remembered by the next generation of militia people. Let him get old in a cell. He wants to die, he agreed to forgoe his appeals for a reason, and you and the government and the rest of the American public are playing right into his hands.

Also, what happened to John Doe #2? There are still a lot of questions surrounding this act. Do we ever want to get the real story? 10 or 15 years from, Mcveigh may have a change of heart. Why do you think the government wants him dead so quickly? State death row cases ususally take over a decade. Federal cases take even longer.
Dont believe the hype."

I agree that executing him is foolish. Not because I don't believe in the death penalty. Not because I don't think he deserves to die. But because I agree with topane & LPM. Death is too good for him. But since he was sentenced to die, DO IT SLOWLY! I have absolutely NO sympathy for that piece of shit. I feel sorry for his mother and father, having to know that their son is such a worthless good-for-nothing-but-killing piece of (not-quite) human garbage. I had to watch Rosalyn & her sisters & their dad at the funeral, trying not to fall apart. I attended a prayer vigil before her mom's body was found in the wreckage, in the hopes that they would find her alive and then a week later, watch them bury her. I would be in the front row watching him die, if I could...

[apmiller]

I'm reminded of a quote I heard once:

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?"

Should he die for a crime he is saying he did? Will killing him make the suffering of those who lost folk in the bombing better? I'd have to say for a lot of those people they will feel better knowing there is no way this guy can do it agian. If he serves life in prison there will always be that chance he could get out into the world again. So we have him put to death so we can sleep a little easier at night.

Is HE gulity of the bombing? He says yes so why should there be doubt? We may not have everyone involved behind bars but we seem to have at least the one. So let's take care of him and find the rest. If he's not put to death and given the chance to rot in jail in the hopes that maybe one day he could give up the rest of his crew, would he? There's no way of knowing that. How long do we wait? Weather we catch them all or not will it stop any future bombings that could happen? Nope because one way or another someone will find a way.

All we can do is deal with this guy that we have knowing HE said he did it. Knowing that we can keep HIM from doing it again and go out to find the others.

So back to the my little quote: Why do we kill to show killing is wrong? Humans are afraid by nature and we hate this about ourselves and always try to fight it. If we feel there is a threat, we dispose of it to show everyone we will not live in fear. We will never know if this is right or not, we just do it in hopes to feel better and to not live in fear.

In regards to what little Timmy says he did: I still think we should let the good folks in OK have they're way with him. That will make a lot of people feel better.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser
i don't care if its televised or not. i actually wouldn't watch it. i've watched death, and its pretty un-impressive. there's really nothing to see. we know he's going to die, and the only thing you will see is his breathing stop. whoopee. you want to see a harrowing execution, watch "dancer in the dark."



Nah if you want to watch death, watch Faces of Death, i just finished watching the series, holy shit that was something. How about a chick saying: "Snuff films don't exist" while crying her eyes out and then getting her brains blown out that very second that she finishes talking.... yea damn straight what timmy boy got is a walk in the forest, he pretty much just fell asleep

[leemaj]

edit: changed my mind. lets just let God deal w/ this

[Edited by leemaj on 07-07-2001 at 12:25 AM]