A simple piece of decency

[Loki]

Hello,
I'm writing this because it has come to my attention from previos topics that somewhere along the road some people have lost their principles and a common respect to others of humankind. I see people bitch and moan because they don't get a 22" monitor for $.05. They write nasty letters to the company and even threaten them. What I say to you is that I would like to see YOU startup a multimillion dollar internet company and then have a pricing error which causes you to take a large financial hit and then YOU survive. You tell your wife, your kids, and the bank that it didn't phase you and then try to make it in a environment of strict competition.
Sure I come here too lookin for deals but I'm not trying to rob people. I'm tryin to save a few bucks since I have little money as it is. You should be happy if you receive anything at all for bringing the pricing error to their attention and then be on your way. But instead some people have no decency for others. The other day a friend of mine was attacked by 30 people for no apparent reason. He was beaten savagely by everyone in the group as one person held him down. Unfortuntely, I was not there to help him and the people with him were also getting punched and brutalized. People around him, though, did NOTHING but look on and offer no help. It's a sad state of affairs when one human can look at another getting beaten and do nothing but watch. Luckily he did not die but it only goes to show how unevolved we are as human beings and irrational way people treat each other.
So, before you start complaining about not getting something that was completely unreasonable to begin with, you better think about if anyone will be there to help you while you lay bloody on the street if you continue to propagate such behavior.

That's my 2 cents that I had to get in. Thanks for listening.

[welfareloser]

uhhh... you need counseling.

deal bitches have nothing to do with your bud getting savaged.

i wouldn't risk my life if i saw someone getting attacked. i would try to call 911.

i wouldn't judge anyone else's actions in such a situation. people get stunned. your brain shuts down. you should be more charitable and hope it doesn't happen to you.

i saw a guy get hit by a car. he died with his head in my lap. i went home covered in his blood. never did anything or said anything. luckily, other people who did not watch him go from "student on his way to a physics test" to "human ragdoll twenty feet in the air", having arrived only after he hit the ground, had the presence of mind to call an ambulance.

yesterday my son stepped on a snake while barefoot. i stood motionless for several seconds watching him monkeystomp >something< while my brain tried to catch up to what the hell was going on. then i ran over and grabbed him with my heart in my chest. then i saw that it was just a freakishly large (2-1/2 ft long) garter snake, so we picked it up and played with it for a while.

human brains are not computers. they are sloppily wired and imperfectly programmed, and that often shows through in a crisis.

not everybody is bruce willis under pressure. if you are, more power to you.

as for monitors for $.05, those are my god given right. i always order 1,000 and then call to lambast the minimum wage cs reps when my order gets cancelled BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT. yeah.

[TheLoneGunman]

Actually I have been in the position you described.

I worked for a well known company (formerly affiliated with this site) that would be victim of pricing errors.

Sometimes we would side with the customer, sometimes we would side with the vendor.

yes, I ended up losing my job, but I don't think it was over a $0.05 monitor. I think it was because the company didn't keep its eye on the ball enough of the time. The price mistakes were just one example of it.

I also think the bigger moaning is about companies that change their mind after the fact. When Digital-Neighbors acquires a huge membership and then decides not to pay as promised or when LocalBusiness bribes people with GCs and then doesn't deliver once they have their information, those people ought to pay. If that means paying with their jobs so be it. If someone robbed you, you would probably seek punishment, so why as a corporation should they go free?

[m0j0]

2 words: wtf?!? and "i agree with welfareloser."

[Loki]

Originally posted by welfareloser

i wouldn't judge anyone else's actions in such a situation. people get stunned. your brain shuts down. you should be more charitable and hope it doesn't happen to you.

As for risking my life for a loved one or a good friend. HELL YEAH I WOULD!! And I have before. You can say I need conseling but I'm not about to watch someone get messed up in front of me with that thought on my conscience that I did absolutely nothing.

I'm sorry about your friend getting hit by the car but then again in that situation there was absolutely nothing could do and I'm not saying that all situations offer a perfect course of action, but when you are able to possibly able to make a difference then it is your human responsibilty to do so.



Originally posted by welfareloser
as for monitors for $.05, those are my god given right. i always order 1,000 and then call to lambast the minimum wage cs reps when my order gets cancelled BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT. yeah.

What gives you the right to determine who deserves what? Yes they are minimum wage workers and why should you make their life more difficult. They probably have to go home and take care of some family and they don't need you bitching at them. But then again if that's the kind of person you are then I can't do anything about that, but you fit what I was talking about.

[m0j0]

some ppl just don't get it :rolleyes:

[Loki]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
Actually I have been in the position you described.

I worked for a well known company (formerly affiliated with this site) that would be victim of pricing errors.

Sometimes we would side with the customer, sometimes we would side with the vendor.

yes, I ended up losing my job, but I don't think it was over a $0.05 monitor. I think it was because the company didn't keep its eye on the ball enough of the time. The price mistakes were just one example of it.



Well it's up to the company if they want to honor the pricing error but what I'm talking about are people who bitch about them not honoring it when they KNOW it's completely unreasonable. If they compensate their error with a GC or something like that then fine but why must we expect the company to take a large financial hit? And these companies are not all large corporations. Many are companies barely surviving within their means just trying to make payments back to the bank on the loan they took out.
All I'm saying is that sometimes people need to take a step back and realize that their not alone on this planet and maybe start acting like a decent person. I take the example of being in a restaraunt and giving the waitress a hard time when she got the order wrong. (somethine I've seen all too often) Why? Don't you realize that being a waitress is a hard and stressful job? Why should you make their hard time even more stressful?

Look, I love Got Apex and I'm always gonna look for great deals. But I'm not gonna hound a company to give me something that's grossly unreasonably priced. I would like a coupon or something but that's all I expect from such things.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by m0j0
some ppl just don't get it :rolleyes:

sigh... i'm feeling decidedly un-gotten. at least you understand me, m0j0...

the sad part is that loki's sig is actually kind of amusing... i thought he had such promise...

let me clarify for our ironically challenged little friend.

1. you do need counseling. that is not an insult. that is an observation. counseling is a good place to deal with things that hurt.

2. calling 911 is generally more effective than throwing yourself at the mercy of people who potentially have weapons or are bigger and stronger. take me. i tip the scales at all of 120 lbs, and i have a brown belt in tae kwon do which is nice but worth exactly squat against anyone over 160 lbs.

3. let me reiterate: you have no place judging what others do in a crisis. a crisis is tough. when the going gets tough, the tough get going, but not everybody is tough. you obviously think you are tough. good for you, o manly one, but not everyone else is going to measure up in the berserker category.

4. you really didn't see the least bit of irony in the completely over-the-top nature of a claim to a god-given right to 1,000 monitors for a total of $50? really? how do i begin to explain...

IT WAS A JOKE. i'm funny that way. ha. ha. ha.

ha?

[Loki]

Originally posted by welfareloser


1. you do need counseling. that is not an insult. that is an observation. counseling is a good place to deal with things that hurt.

Well thanks for the advice but I think I'm better judge of whether I need conseling or not.


Originally posted by welfareloser

3. let me reiterate: you have no place judging what others do in a crisis. a crisis is tough. when the going gets tough, the tough get going, but not everybody is tough. you obviously think you are tough. good for you, o manly one, but not everyone else is going to measure up in the berserker category.


I'm not judging anyone's actions in a crisis that's not what this post is about. I'm judging people's bitching about an unreasonable deal. I'm also not saying that I'm tough but thanks for thinking so. :P


Originally posted by welfareloser

4. you really didn't see the least bit of irony in the completely over-the-top nature of a claim to a god-given right to 1,000 monitors for a total of $50? really? how do i begin to explain...

IT WAS A JOKE. i'm funny that way. ha. ha. ha.

ha?

Well unfortunately I suppose I haven't had the honor of getting to know your online personality....hard to see irony on a computer screen. But if you were just joking then I apologize for commenting on that part. :)

[eSDee]

Ok let's make a list of things we at G|A are responsible for:


1- By wanting good deals we caused the ass whooping of a good friend of Loki's.

2- By drinking beers we are responsible for the death of little children killed by drunk drivers.


What else? Anyone care to add anything that I am forgetting?

[sbp]

No but there are a bunch of ferengi out there who only care about getting their steal.

Click here to see AnandTech smack down the ferengis! (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=405226)

[M_A_C]

All I want to know is, how the heck did I miss the 5 cent monitor deal!?! When did that happen!?! Crap, I miss out on all the good stuff. Here I am reading about a guy who was eating mutten and got beat up on his way back from a Everquest gathering, on a 19 inch monitor. Thats right, a 19 inch monitor! 22 inches for 5 cents! CRAP!

[m0j0]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Ok let's make a list of things we at G|A are responsible for:


1- By wanting good deals we caused the ass whooping of a good friend of Loki's.

2- By drinking beers we are responsible for the death of little children killed by drunk drivers.


What else? Anyone care to add anything that I am forgetting?

ya...no matter if we need counseling or not, or how messed up we may be....we are always the best judge of if we need counseling or not......

[Loki]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Ok let's make a list of things we at G|A are responsible for:


1- By wanting good deals we caused the ass whooping of a good friend of Loki's.

2- By drinking beers we are responsible for the death of little children killed by drunk drivers.


What else? Anyone care to add anything that I am forgetting?

UMMM....riiiiight...and I'm the one that needs conseling ;)

[m0j0]

i need counseling. i dunno who else does, but i can say that it couldnt hurt. sometimes you get a bad counselor, but i dunno anyone who really could say that they cannot benefit from it. whoever doesnt have problems to talk about is dead :eek:

(and for anyone that decides to take the initiative to perceive that as a threat...it's not. i am saying that only ppl that are already dead don't have problems. 'cept that it must be boring. i mean, really...you get to stay in a box, they don't let you out on weekends...it must be)

[eSDee]

Just to make sure everyone understands me right, I wasn't serious in my last post. I was just trying to imply that while I think these boards are an excellent place to vent frustrations, there are some arguments that are such a stretch that it's kind of funny. It really does suck that Loki's friend was at the receiving end of some screwed up anger managenent dropouts. It sounds to me that he probably got in the middle of some gang which I wouldn't wish my worst enemy on. I apologize if it seemed like I was making light of your very serious subject. However, I believe it would have been a bit better received if it was placed in the Suckage:Not-So Suckage forum. That's all I'm saying.

Mojo it sounds like you know what you are doing man you are on the right track I believe. Counseling is great if you don't have any one to express yourself to. I used to be able to do that with my ex-girlfriend of mine. I'm trying to hook it up again so wish me luck but if not, I'll probably be sitting in that waiting room with you. ;)

Everyone one else, have a great weekend and stay safe.

[m0j0]

thanks esdeeloco....but i didn't say i am IN counseling...just that i need it. i am really not smart enough to go to it....i am actually in denial :heh:

[The Happy Squirrel]

you werent htere to help him?

geez im a pretty tough guy but i dont think that me and any one of my freinds could have taken 30 ppl by ourselves

dude, chill on the "you ppl suck" kick
we dont expect coor to give us everything ass cheap but we do expect them to live up to a deal if they offer it

that all


and beer is bad

had the wrost hangover of my life this morning thanx to beer
thats why i stick to vodka

[g222leav]

i'd like to make two comments,

1) i work at best buy, and every sunday morning they have 4 people go around and take down the old tags, and put up the new tags for that weeks promotions. the fact is that not every tag can be taken down, so if a customer comes to me with a misprice i have to give it to him, and honestly i don't even argue or care. (unless he's an *******, then he doesn't get jack s***). so no, i don't think that there's anything wrong with what we do here. no if some idiot decides that they don't want to take the time and effort to check to make sure those 19" monitors are $400 instead of 5c, so be it...and let him learn.

2) i also frequent http://www.dvdtalk.com which is a great resource on dvd related deals. they have forums, coupons, the works. in their forums you will come across numerous post of free dvds (due to misprice/advertise) that they all take advantage of, seriously, if somebody was giving out free stuff...we'd all take it...ahem...cybiko

[welfareloser]

nothing like beating a dead horse (thread) ... so let me jump in to the fray after its all over...


Originally posted by m0j0
thanks esdeeloco....but i didn't say i am IN counseling...just that i need it. i am really not smart enough to go to it....i am actually in denial :heh:

i definitely need counseling too - i just tell myself that i'm not in it because i can't afford it... and that i have friends who need it more than i do... and i don't have time for it...


Originally posted by Loki

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Ok let's make a list of things we at G|A are responsible for:


1- By wanting good deals we caused the ass whooping of a good friend of Loki's.

2- By drinking beers we are responsible for the death of little children killed by drunk drivers.


What else? Anyone care to add anything that I am forgetting?

UMMM....riiiiight...and I'm the one that needs conseling ;)

man, if loki doesn't start picking up on the irony around here, he's going to have to change his name... the norse god of trickery, treachery, pranking, cross-dressing, and general jackassery just doesn't quite seem to fit him...

3- we also contribute to lustful impure thoughts in otherwise upright men by breastfeeding in public...

4- and at least one of us, i won't name names, was involved in some mysterious shootings, like jfk's...

[m0j0]

welcome back welfare. good to see you

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by m0j0
welcome back welfare. good to see you

damn straight it's good to see me!

i mean... i missed you most of all, tin man.

i mean... wait a minnit. you can't see me.

if i get the last word in a thread, does that mean i win something?

[Loki]

Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel
you werent htere to help him?

geez im a pretty tough guy but i dont think that me and any one of my freinds could have taken 30 ppl by ourselves

dude, chill on the "you ppl suck" kick
we dont expect coor to give us everything ass cheap but we do expect them to live up to a deal if they offer it

that all


and beer is bad

had the wrost hangover of my life this morning thanx to beer
thats why i stick to vodka




Actually is was more like 60 guys...it was a frat from USC who decided to come to local bar near UCLA and start some crap which ended up putting one of my friends in the hospital. Kinda sux that some people are cruel like that. Though luckily we have a lot of alumni (from our fraternity) that are lawyers and I think they are filing a lawsuit.

BTW Beer is great!! If you're drinking the right kind ;)

[Memo]

Well this is weird. The deals and your friend getting his ass kicked are TOTALLY unrelated. I do agree that some of the people here bitch about stupid things when there is a pricing error. Lots of them ask "should i sue?" I think that is the most retarded thing in the world. Anyways, I *do* agree with you on the first half of your message. Now, I don't think your friend got beaten up for "no apparent reason." I'm sure he was singeld out for a reason, maybe not a good one, but shit happens. You cannot say human beings suck, and you suck. You act like you're not a human being. you're trying to put yourself above everyone else. I know my argument isn't even well structured, but fuggit! :)

[Loki]

In hind sight maybe I shouldn't have made such an analogy as extreme as I did but I think people got the general idea. I think I was really pissed at the time and that's why I put it in but oh well. Life goes on. And I'm not saying that I'm above everyone else. Sure I've made my share of mistakes (many I would like to take back) but I was just upset over people being so unreasonable. :P

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by Loki
In hind sight maybe I shouldn't have made such an analogy as extreme as I did but I think people got the general idea. I think I was really pissed at the time and that's why I put it in but oh well. Life goes on. And I'm not saying that I'm above everyone else. Sure I've made my share of mistakes (many I would like to take back) but I was just upset over people being so unreasonable. :P

Maybe? Dear christ...just say "I shouldn't've". That wasn't an analogy...that was drunk talk. You didn't make a comparison between rip-offs and beatings...you just jumped from one to the other. People...Loki is my old best friend. We spent so much time together...but then let's just say that "The Great Schism" didn't have anything on our "break-up". We haven't spoken a word in easily a few months...and for the record...he is one of the cheapest wealthy people I know. The only thing he'll easily drop money for is women...and he's not only willing to drop money for 'tang, but he'll also dick over his best friend.

Lance...you wouldn't've jumped into that fight. I can't say that anything like that ever happened while we were friends, but I learned to judge your responses. I was always the rowdy one who didn't object to receiving a beating, as long as I got to enjoy myself. You were the one who tried to pacify me.

And oh yeah, Beer sucks! Shots are the only way to go! All of the OGs on this board know my opinions on drinking preferences. I had my 6 shots of 151 before going out this past Saturday. We may not agree on much these days, LR, but you still have to love ISVT.

http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/evil/fork_off.gif ProMinx http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/evil/icon82.gif

Friday - "MISFITS BABY, MISFITS!" Loki, if you call me, you may be welcome to join us (you may not bring our mutual friend though, of course). You remember Warped, don't you?

[The Happy Squirrel]

i think since this has been resolved its time to lock/delete this cause its just a mud slinging contest and the well is dry

lets all be freinds again

move on to "happy things" and welfare is tha bomb" threads

K peeps?

kewl!

[Loki]

HAHA I knew he would eventually have to poke his nose into this one. I think that's it's pretty messed up that you're trying to bash me in a damn forum.....I guess I won't go off on you like you did me since this isn't the place for it and it's no use beating a dead horse.
And just for the record...I did jump into a fight while you were standing right next to me one time.

I agree with Happy. Perhaps it's time to close this topic, Moderator?

[Leon]

Yeah... This topic has pretty much degenerated.