Gas Prices SUCK!

[apmiller]

Hole CRAP Batman! I would have liked to put gas into the batmobile but gas prices just went to 1.76 per gal. Son-of-a...

Now I don't know what the price of gas is like for the rest of you out there but in good old Minnesota, the folks around here are all lookin for second jobs just to keep the cars on the road! What country do I got to storm and take over to get my gas price down? For the love of...this has got to stop!

[IrishSS]

I like this... Lets see how gas prices are all over the country...

Salem, Oregon - $1.45 for low end unleaded

[apmiller]

ONE FORTY FIVE! Man I got to move! What else we got out there for prices?

[Rain]

Chattanooga, TN $1.55 a gallon.

and I drive a full size van that literally takes 60 bucks to fill up. :(

[hapoo]

It might be up to 3 bucks this summer. It wouldn't be so damn high if they didn't keep torching the refineries.

[LPMiller]

big deal, that's why I drive a car that gets 30 miles to the gallon. I shall drive along, giggling at all those SUV's.

I'm tired of hearing about gas prices already!

[OC]

Just got back from a trip to northern Kalifornia where it topped $2 for regular. Got back to Washington where it's $1.59 or so.

-OC

[TheLoneGunman]

I have been paying well over $2 for a while.

I am in the San Francisco bay area and my car only uses Super Premium. (the extra few cents per gallon are worth not having to buy a new $10,000 aluminum engine)

:smash: greedy oil companies :smash:

[cruelpupet]

NYC - 1.59-1.63 self serve 87 octane

[brain]

I've been paying $1.95 a gallon for premium in Southern California. Although, I did drive by a Texaco station near my home today that was selling $2.49 a gallon. I think they also sell crack... Since it seems they are smoking it.

[Jenny]

$1.67 for reg. unleaded here in western Kansas. :(

[speedracer120]

Originally posted by freakinfreak
I've been paying $1.95 a gallon for premium in Southern California. Although, I did drive by a Texaco station near my home today that was selling $2.49 a gallon. I think they also sell crack... Since it seems they are smoking it.

You must live near West LA or something, cause in South LA County, and Orange County they've been around $1.73 or so. Man when I was a little kid, I remember 87 octane being around $0.97.

[caddelma]

In the Cincinnati area it had been running 1.69 for regular (87 octane). I car pool so it doesn't hurt as bad. Some advice however, using premium gasoline will NOT give you better gas milage. Of course if your car calls for it use it, but don't be misled that it gives you better milage. For most cars 87 works fine unless your timing has been adjusted or you have an engine with a high compression ratio (ie sports car). On occasion premium is needed because the engine (valves) will start pinging and drive you insane. Just some info. Use it at your own risk.

[apmiller]

After seeing all the prices listed, I think it's time to start riding bikes or buying those electric cars. Gas engins are NOT the way to go.

[theorangeone]

i live on cape cod, (in MA). the gas prices range from $1.51-$1.71 per gallon depending on exactly where you go for regular. the $1.51 is across the bridge on the mainland, tho you can find $1.56 capeside. i usually go to the mainland to get gas, mostly because thats also where the closest walmart is.

[Rain]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
(the extra few cents per gallon are worth not having to buy a new $10,000 aluminum engine)

The only car that I know of that comes stock with an aluminum engine is a Dodge Viper, what in the world are you driving? :)

[jase71]

$1.77 here in central Wisconsin.

Feels good to know I'm putting an extra jacuzzi in some oil exec's home, and his kid through college.

http://money.iwon.com/ht/nw/reu/20010423/hl_reu_119296.html?alias=/alias/money/cm/nw

[cruelpupet]

Originally posted by speedracer120


You must live near West LA or something, cause in South LA County, and Orange County they've been around $1.73 or so. Man when I was a little kid, I remember 87 octane being around $0.97.


What sucks for me is I also remember it being $0.97 a gallon, but it was last year in New Jersey


damn I miss those prices

[apmiller]

I remember the good old days when 8 bucks would fill the tank. Now it takes 22 bucks! Someone once told me that the price hike in gas doesn't effect him because he always just puts in $20.00. Damn, some folk just ain't right.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Rain

The only car that I know of that comes stock with an aluminum engine is a Dodge Viper, what in the world are you driving? :)


Infinti Q45

At least that is what everyone said when they kept quoting me engine prices. (Perhaps they meant tin-foil instead)

[OC]

Originally posted by Rain

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
(the extra few cents per gallon are worth not having to buy a new $10,000 aluminum engine)

The only car that I know of that comes stock with an aluminum engine is a Dodge Viper, what in the world are you driving? :)


A bunch of cars come with aluminum engines. Honda Civics, Chevy Metros, Chevy Corvettes, Camaro and Firebird V8 models, I think the Ford Duratec V6 in the Cougar is all aluminum, etc.

-OC

[topane]

$1.59 -- SE PA, near Delaware.

[StonedWheat]

Time to get my motorcycle up and running again. $3 a gallon this summer! Holy schnikes.

[sbp]

It would be nice to cut back on some of the tax we pay on gas. The radical environmentalists would not like that though. Those dumb asses think we should pay more and get reamed like the Europeans.

[Edited by sbp on 04-27-2001 at 12:57 PM]

[ChIcKeN_HaWk]

I was in South Carolina a month ago and prices there were around $1.20 to $1.30. Drove down to Florida that weekend and everywhere was around the same prices, I get to Jacksonville and the price went up to $1.69. Even south of Jacksonville it was cheaper. Around $1.65 in Minneapolis

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by sbp
It would be nice to cut back on some of the tax we pay on gas. The radical environmentalists would not like that though.

Yep, those "radical" environmentalists wouldn't mind the highway funds actually being spent on HIGHWAYS instead of top secret satellites that we crash into China so they can steal our technology and also on spy planes that we land on their military airstrips. Maybe we should just fund a few more pleasure cruises for your Republican cronies on our nuclear subs. Perhaps this time they will be distracted and accidentally launch some missles. :heh:

[sbp]

Your buddy Clinton isn't around to sell the Chinese the technology they want. :heh:

The environmentalist numbskulls around here don't want money to be spend on building the roads we need.

[LPMiller]

you know, the environs and the uh...other guys need to get together and find a middle ground stat. Because I want clean air, more oil, alternative energy, and a lot less potholes. I want it all, dammit, so get going.

[m0j0]

nah, why get along when you can point fingers, blame, and oh ya...whine :bawl:

anyhow, here in sandy eggo i pay $2.07 for mid-grade. and yes, as a former wrench monkey, i know how it goes with the tales of gasoline and detergents/additives.

[jase71]

Originally posted by sbp
It would be nice to cut back on some of the tax we pay on gas. The radical environmentalists would not like that though. Those dumb asses think we should pay more and get reamed like the Europeans.

[Edited by sbp on 04-27-2001 at 12:57 PM]

What difference does it make if we pay it out in taxes, or pay it toward record profits for some petroleum company?

The reason for the gas price jumps are price increases by the oil companies, not tax hikes.

At least put the blame in the right place.

[sbp]

Looks like you've forgotten the Gore gas tax hike jase71. But yes oil companies are also despicable in reaming people.

[jase71]

Taxes we can do something about if we work together. If we don't like the gas taxes, we have methods to change it.
It's not easy, but it's possible.

Oil company price increases we are helpless to fight, except by not using their products. No amount of protesting, voting, or writing letters can make the oil companies change, unless they want to.

The oil companies learned that they can gouge us and get away with it last summer. Now, they're going to do it again this summer. And they own enough of Congress to make sure that any investigations will go nowhere. And they've got their pet president in the Whitehouse.

Looks like another hit to the wallet for the average American this summer, while the Oil Execs add up those 6 and 7 figure Christmas bonuses they'll be getting...

[ultrajared]

But not by much. $1.41/gallon for Regular Unleaded, and $1.66 for Premium in Provo, Utah. Boy, am I glad I don't live in NYC or "the city" right now! Over $2/gallon would suck more than beavis and butthead combined!

[OC]

Imagine if everyone in the country started driving cars that got 25mpg or better. Wouldn't THAT just piss off the oil companies?

-OC

[styleee]

i actually haven't bought gas in over a month, but the last time i did i think it was about 1.35 or so a gallon for regular.

now, its about 1.50 i think.

who knows, i'm poor, and i have a car, but i only drive it on the weekends. so, i go home, and lend it to my dad for the afternoon, and he puts gas in it :)

but i think he said it was only 10 bucks to fill up anyway.

gotta love the economy cars ;)

[Burzhui]

DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL,
Gas prices have just gone up yet once again we are up to 2.03 per galon of premium in NYC queens borough. It's all Bush's fault he is in this godforsaken petroleum and crude oil business immagine how he is prospering from all of this. I hope someone stabs him in the eye

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui
DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL,
Gas prices have just gone up yet once again we are up to 2.03 per galon of premium in NYC queens borough. It's all Bush's fault he is in this godforsaken petroleum and crude oil business immagine how he is prospering from all of this. I hope someone stabs him in the eye

just hand him a pair of scissors and tell him to cut out some paper dolls. he'll probably stab himself in the eye.

over two bucks a gallon for the cheap shit in chicagoland. i wouldn't mind it so much if the extra money was going toward taxes to clean some things up, but corporate pofits kinda suck.

[ufcrusher]

San Diego - $1.87 9/10 per gallon for regular - AT the ARCO
$1.93 9/10 at the Mobil
I am going to try Costco on my way home, but the last time I was there it was the same as the ARCO.

Time to stop driving my truck, its just a bit too uneconomical at this point.

Update: Costco was $1.93 and Arco jumped to $1.89. All in the period of one day!! And to top it off I had to pay over $40 to fill the tank.

[Edited by ufcrusher on 05-08-2001 at 02:06 AM]

[Rocket2Fun]

what you guys need to do is overclock the fsb on your carberator and then add a bigger heat sink to your radiator
after taht to increase gas mileage drive only from LA to SF at a constant speed of 55mph... if you can't get the fsb of your carb up you need to slow down the northbridge so it only runs the oil pump at 70% the mhz this way you don't burn out your oil and you can keep it running at cas 2

sorry guys i have to pay 2.05 for 87octane in St. Helena CA... the city with the highest sales tax in all of california
damn wineries and rich tourist that are willing to pay 2.25 for 92 octane gas

[OC]

I'm planning on overclocking my Geo Metro.

[Rocket2Fun]

dope
i had a friend that got his geo metro to overclock 150mhz
you should be able to pull off quite a bit more if you buy a bigger heatsink... he was using a crappy TT heatsink

[pennypinch]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2001/may/07/511789962.html

It's not a very balanced article, but at least it lays to rest some fears that gas would hit $3 this summer...that would probably cause revolt. Man, it'd be funny to see Georgie get his ass beat by a angry mob of truckers!

[Rocket2Fun]

i bet my golden orb prices will reach $3 a gallon this summer... or bush will ditch all enviromental concerns of the govenment and give a speach about how there is nothing wrong with destroying the enviroment

[brain]

You guys think you have it bad? My friend just bought a 2001 Suburban 2500. He had to put in $92.00 to fill up. Yikes! I guess that's the problem with a 39 gallon tank.

[OC]

Originally posted by freakinfreak
You guys think you have it bad? My friend just bought a 2001 Suburban 2500. He had to put in $92.00 to fill up. Yikes! I guess that's the problem with a 39 gallon tank. Sorry, no sympathy from me. At 13 mpg that's roughly $92 to go 500 miles. He freely made the decision, now he gets to pay. Hope he has a big wallet.

[Rocket2Fun]

that's not too bad... my parents just bought a v10 excursion limited. on it's good days it'll maybe get 12mpg on the bad it's gotten down to 7mpg

[Burzhui]

He doesn't really need to fill up the whole thing, i mean do it like i do it half a tank at a time.

[hoey222]

Get a rice rocket (motorcycle)

0-60 in under 10
top speed 130mph (why you would need to go this fast?)
35 miles to the gallon

I know its a little riskier to drive but its fun and doesnt break me at the gas pump.

[Apex]

Rice Rocket: Modified japanese car
Crotch Rocket: Sports cycle

Heh, you can all do what I do now. Walk... Yep, no car for Apex. :(

[caddelma]

Originally posted by Apex
Rice Rocket: Modified japanese car
Crotch Rocket: Sports cycle

Heh, you can all do what I do now. Walk... Yep, no car for Apex. :(

Quit buying all of those Geforce 3's and P4s'! Maybe you would have a car! LOL.

It's all good, you're making the sacrifice for us :) As LPM might say...it's all about the love!

[Ranger]

I live in LA, SoCali and go up to Central Cali and both places have regualr around $2.00. Man its like oil companies playing games with us. Wasn't a few months ago that gas prices went way high so everyone, even the govnt, was raving mad and so the oil companies lowered prices. Now that most people forgot about the whole deal they are hikiing it back up. Man my neighbor's kids have this scooter with a .25cc motor on it and sh*t its looking mightly good to me lately. Something has got to change. Frankly I don't want to have to return to Sadam's back yard again to get it. Hasn't anyone got that trash compactor engine, Back to the future movie, to work yet?

Ranger

[IntegraTypeR]

I just got back from college and the gas prices here in Cali totally surprise me. For normal unleaded gas it is like $2.05/gallon here in NorCal. I live in the 'burbs but if you go to the city (ie SF) it is $2.15/gal for noral unleaded gas. I think that all my summer intern money is gonna go towards paying for my gas. *sigh*

[Ranger]

Man pretty soon were gonna have to mix up our own gas in our back yards. That ain't gonna be too fun to watch your best friend's back yard go up in flames. Or worst yet to watch your own. I used to think that people on those 50cc scooters looked gay especially with me on my GSX-R, but man my tastes are changing fast. Wish I never sold my trusty GSX-R, damns!

Ranger

[Greta]

Just filled up my lil' Kia this afternoon. Came to $17.99. So I roll my eyes and add two bitty drops, so I could have the distinct honor and pleasure of paying EIGHTEEN bucks for *GAS* Good freaking god... Also bought burger and hot dog buns, milk and hot dogs. (Gotta keep that man fed.) Total was $26.50. I feel sad now....

[Ranger]

Feel lucky Greta I pay almost $30 to fill up my tank and it doesn't come with hotdogs.

Ranger

[Rocket2Fun]

must i point out that when i filled up my parents excursion once (i will never volunteer again)
it cost $70!!!!!!!!
Man it would really suck if the price of gas reached $3 it would cost $120 to fill an excursion... NO GOOD!!!!!

[styleee]

Originally posted by Rocket2Fun
must i point out that when i filled up my parents excursion once (i will never volunteer again)
it cost $70!!!!!!!!
Man it would really suck if the price of gas reached $3 it would cost $120 to fill an excursion... NO GOOD!!!!!

it was said once, but i'm going to say it again. Don't complain about how much it costs to fill up a giantic gas-guzzling truck. you (or your parents) chose to purchace an inefficent vehicle, deal with it. it makes me so mad that people get all upset when their excess costs them too much.

besides, the amount of money you are going to spend on gas this summer could equal a new fuel efficent car. with gas.

and high gas prices suck, but i'm not going to complain. Less people will be driving aimlessly. More people will car pool and take public transportation. And, we might just get some obnoxious SUVs off the road.

We destroy our environment cause its cheap to do. maybe this summer we can stop thinking about how inconvient not having a car at our complete disposal is, and start being happy that we aren't destroying mother earth.


[Edited by styleee on 05-30-2001 at 06:54 AM]

[Rocket2Fun]

hahhahahahahhahaa
man i just complain because i am a poor college student and filling up the gas tank sucked... my parents never complain they just do it and move along

dude... SUV's aren't what are destroying the world...

I think it's so hilarious when people start calling them obnoxious SUVs... It just sounds to me like your jealous you can't afford anything bigger than a Geo Metro hahahhaa
calm down buddy
People will always have enough money to have a bigger car than you... and most the people that own those big cars don't complain

I KNOW I CAN'T AFFORD A BIG SUV... and that's why I don't have one
But those who can have every right in the world to have the biggest car on the road... and use up a gallon of gas for every 10 miles they drive

[IntegraTypeR]

It is wishful thinking that people will stop driving their cars so much and start taking public transportation, take the carpool lane, etc. It is hard to change habits that have already formed. What will happen is that ppl will pay for the incredibly high gas prices and just b*tch about it. In my area, for instance, public transportation just isn't good enuf yet -- nor reliable enuf -- to mkae it worthwhile for ppl to take it. Also, some ppl have really long commutes and it isn't possible to use public transport. The first thing that could be done to encourage more public transport is to expand it (ie subways, trains). Also, it is hard to just get ppl to use the carpool lane all of a sudden. Many couples work in separate areas so they cannot commute to work together.

[OC]

I was hoping this would happen....

From MSNBC - Gas prices have roughly doubled in many parts of the country over the past two years, and there are signs they are starting to hurt SUVs. In the latest J.D. Power & Associates survey of consumer attitudes on auto-industry quality, “excessive fuel consumption” was cited as a problem with 2001 truck models, including SUVs, at more than double the rate for 2000 models.

Consumers are also beginning to present symptoms of traditional SUV fatigue, says G. Clotaire Rapaille, a consultant who worked with executives of the former Chrysler Corp. on the PT Cruiser, the smash hit gangster-style wagon that DaimlerChrysler AG classifies as an SUV. “The main reason people were buying [SUVs] was that they were different,” says Dr. Rapaille. But now that Explorers are everywhere, “They are losing one of the reasons people were buying these cars.”

[Edited by overclocked on 05-30-2001 at 11:04 AM]

[styleee]

Originally posted by Rocket2Fun
hahhahahahahhahaa
man i just complain because i am a poor college student and filling up the gas tank sucked... my parents never complain they just do it and move along

dude... SUV's aren't what are destroying the world...

I think it's so hilarious when people start calling them obnoxious SUVs... It just sounds to me like your jealous you can't afford anything bigger than a Geo Metro hahahhaa
calm down buddy
People will always have enough money to have a bigger car than you... and most the people that own those big cars don't complain

I KNOW I CAN'T AFFORD A BIG SUV... and that's why I don't have one
But those who can have every right in the world to have the biggest car on the road... and use up a gallon of gas for every 10 miles they drive

first of all, you don't know my economic background, so it would be smart not to make assumptions. just because a person has money doesn't mean that they are going to purchace the biggest tank they can possibly afford. some people have brains, and when shopping for cars, they buy what they need, not what their bank account affords them.

second, if you spent $20 bucks filling the truck up, would you have mentioned it? most likely not. & i understand that you weren't complaining, nor are your parents, but you said it for shock or sympathy or attention or why ever you did. and i'm saying that i don't feel bad in the least that you just spent a good night out ($$$ wise) on a gas.

and having a right to do something doesn't make it RIGHT to do.

[styleee]

Originally posted by IntegraTypeR
It is wishful thinking that people will stop driving their cars so much and start taking public transportation, take the carpool lane, etc. It is hard to change habits that have already formed. What will happen is that ppl will pay for the incredibly high gas prices and just b*tch about it. In my area, for instance, public transportation just isn't good enuf yet -- nor reliable enuf -- to mkae it worthwhile for ppl to take it. Also, some ppl have really long commutes and it isn't possible to use public transport. The first thing that could be done to encourage more public transport is to expand it (ie subways, trains). Also, it is hard to just get ppl to use the carpool lane all of a sudden. Many couples work in separate areas so they cannot commute to work together.

i take public transportation every day to work. i live less then 2 miles from my office, and it takes me 35 minutes a day each way. (i cannot walk through a tunnel, if you were wondering why it takes me that long.) people in my office have 1.5 hour (or more) commutes each way on public transportation. as did i before i moved closer to the city. and your theory of long commute = no public transportation is BS. those are the people who should take PT. they can sleep on the train, read a book on the bus, relax on the subway. trust me, that is much more relaxing then driving 3 hours a day.

and i know, PT on the west coast sucks. so do something about it. you don't need a car at all if you live in the northeast. even in most suburbs, there is adequite PT, trains and buses go everywhere. also, who said you have to carpool with your spouse? find someone in the area that you live that works in the area that you work in, and share the ride. duh.

[theorangeone]

Originally posted by styleee
and your theory of long commute = no public transportation is BS. those are the people who should take PT. they can sleep on the train, read a book on the bus, relax on the subway. trust me, that is much more relaxing then driving 3 hours a day.

and i know, PT on the west coast sucks. so do something about it. you don't need a car at all if you live in the northeast. even in most suburbs, there is adequite PT, trains and buses go everywhere. also, who said you have to carpool with your spouse? find someone in the area that you live that works in the area that you work in, and share the ride. duh.

[/B]

not all long commutes have the option of PT. before i moved to the cape, i had a 1.5 hour drive each way. i guess i could have gotten a bus that would have gotten me close to where my office, but i'd still have had 10 miles to get to the bus station close to home, and 5 miles from the bus station to work.

not everywhere in the northeast is completely accessible without a car. i live on cape cod. there is very little public transportation down here. the town i grew up in (westwood, ma) had some public transportation in it, but none that was accessable from where i lived without at least a 10 minute car ride.

now that i live closer to work (5 miles) i do on ocassion ride my bike to work. i don't complain about gas prices all that much. i just think about how much i pay to fill up my little olds cutlass and compare it to what i would be spending if i drove my car from high school- a wonderful 1980 cadillac fleetwood which got a whopping 8 mpg. how i miss that car, but i don't miss the cost of the gas.

[IntegraTypeR]

Originally posted by styleee

Originally posted by IntegraTypeR
It is wishful thinking that people will stop driving their cars so much and start taking public transportation, take the carpool lane, etc. It is hard to change habits that have already formed. What will happen is that ppl will pay for the incredibly high gas prices and just b*tch about it. In my area, for instance, public transportation just isn't good enuf yet -- nor reliable enuf -- to mkae it worthwhile for ppl to take it. Also, some ppl have really long commutes and it isn't possible to use public transport. The first thing that could be done to encourage more public transport is to expand it (ie subways, trains). Also, it is hard to just get ppl to use the carpool lane all of a sudden. Many couples work in separate areas so they cannot commute to work together.

i take public transportation every day to work. i live less then 2 miles from my office, and it takes me 35 minutes a day each way. (i cannot walk through a tunnel, if you were wondering why it takes me that long.) people in my office have 1.5 hour (or more) commutes each way on public transportation. as did i before i moved closer to the city. and your theory of long commute = no public transportation is BS. those are the people who should take PT. they can sleep on the train, read a book on the bus, relax on the subway. trust me, that is much more relaxing then driving 3 hours a day.

and i know, PT on the west coast sucks. so do something about it. you don't need a car at all if you live in the northeast. even in most suburbs, there is adequite PT, trains and buses go everywhere. also, who said you have to carpool with your spouse? find someone in the area that you live that works in the area that you work in, and share the ride. duh.



What do you want me to do about getting more public transportation? Write a letter to the city? Sure, I can do that but it will take awhile before it is actually implemented.. years in fact. To even get to public transportation areas you need to take a commute (whether it is a long one or not) to get there and that commute is generally bad b/c EVERYONE has the same idea to take public transportation. If someone else was available in the same area as me I woudl have found that person already and I would already be commuting with him/her.

[psycho-]

Sad to say, but I like SUVs for a couple of reasons

(a) They flip over easily and don't meet federal safety standards that apply to cars
(b) They show how much vanity plays into peoples' lives
(c) They are usually filled with obnoxious people who would do item (a)
(d) They down gasoline like there's more tomm.


Rather than saying I hate SUVs, I'd rather say the following:


People in the US don't deserve the current gasoline prices. They deserve at least 2x the gasoline costs. Then, people will slowly learn to do something the rest of the world has learned slowly to do, I think it's called "CONSERVE". When 280million people consume 50% of the world's resource output, there is definitely something wrong. I really don't mind when people have to pay 4-5 dollars/tank. Maybe then, people will learn how to drive less and maybe even walk a bit more or use public transportation. If that's not possible, learn to do what europeans learn to do: Drive fuel efficient cars.

If electricity prices go up, maybe people will learn to use renewable resources, maybe even turn off unneeded lights. Maybe then, people will learn to switch over to more efficient forms of lighting, such as flourescent, and energy-saving techniques such as those used in Asia and Europe.

We americans have certain rights, but the following aren't

(a) Cheap gasoline
(b) Unlimited Resources
(c) Talk on the Cell phone anywhere
(d) Driving


Victor

[iwannacamaro]

Try paying $50 bux a week to fill up your 18yr old oldsmobile..25 gallon tank * 1.77 (MA)= ouch
thats driving to school, when i drive to work i need to fill the thing twice a week once to fill it then another 1/2tank halfway through the week :(

[Grimm]

Psyco-

About the electricity crack:
California's electricity from renewable resources is 12%, the highest in the nation 10 times the nationl average of 1.2%

Californians are already the most electrical energy conservative people in the nation, with the lowest per capita use in all 50 states.

The problem is that so many people moved here from out of state that we don't have power for them. We need to build new power plants. Big 'ole fat nuclear ones.
The sad thing is that in a few years Fuel Cells will become available for the homes. Then the power plants will become redundant.

[Burzhui]

I am so happy, in new york the prices went down by like 18 cents a galon

[brain]

Yup. Gas keeps dropping. Paid $2.05 today for Chevron premium. Down from a high of $2.39.

[OC]

You know, my Metro is looking better all the time.

-OC