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pennypinch
04-29-2001, 04:41 PM
Wow. If ever there was a demographic seemingly spawned from inferior DNA, it must be that of the average car salesman. I swear, it's like their parents smoked and drank heavily during pregnancy, and by some stroke of luck (or government intervention) they all end up in the same "profession".

I'm not even talking about the Yugo or Geo dealers, either. You'd think, with the sort of bigger-ticket items sold at an Acura or Infiniti dealership, you'd attract a slightly better class of humans. WRONG!

So I strolled into the Glendale Lincoln/Mercury dealership today. Wanted to look at an LS. Now, I'm a pretty young guy (22), and I was dressed pretty casually: short sleeve button-up shirt and a pair of cargo shorts, with flip-flops, no less. In short, I looked like your average young urban professional with flip flops instead of shoes. The guys at the Lincoln dealership not only didn't deign to help me, but also couldn't figure out if a car was used or new, DESPITE THE FACT IT ONLY HAD A LIMITED WARRENTY. Yeesh! Suffice to say, I spent a grand total of about 8 minutes in the joint, didn't even ask to test drive one of their pieces of crap, and told them straight out how useless and moronic they were.

Rolled across the street to the Glendale Infiniti dealership, and was promptly greeted by an amiable, if slow, chap. I started to discuss what I was looking for, and quickly realized I was dealing with an oversized amoeba. Around and around in circles we went, until finally I just asked to take a test drive. Now comes the best part. Pulling the test car our of the (admittedly very small) parking space, the guy manages to hit not one, not two, but THREE other cars on the lot. Whatever, better for me! I've got this guys balls in a vice grip, negotiation wise! "Hey, if you can't throw that navigation system in for free, I might have to mention you were playing A-team with the new car lot!"

Driving around, I quickly sized the guy up for what he was: a mentally- disabled guy that was probably a friend or relative of the dealership owner. *sigh* If I had actually liked the car, I bet I could have scored it for thousands less than invoice. Alas, the I30 is a bitterly disappointing car, from it's wack stereo, to it's humdrum engine, to the chinsey, Honda-esque feel of its switchgear, right down to the only-California nav system. Booo!!!

So it looks like a battle between an Acura TL Type-S or a 1994 Porsche Speedster, if I can find one at the right price and colour (non-yellow, thank you very much!).

Oh, and when I've made my money, I'm going into selling cars. I'd bet a half-competant human being would make a killing.

g222leav
04-30-2001, 01:10 AM
yea, i know what you're saying...i used to work for a chevy dealer when i was 17 (as a porter). those dealers were all idiots...i had fun though

here's what i suggest, us porters didn't give two s***s about the cars, so i'd really advise you to do a good once over on any prospective car for dings and dents (we're probably worse then valet).

also, if your deal is fat, stupid, sweats a lot, and tries to be your "friend" walk away...oh wait, that's just about all of em

pennypinch
04-30-2001, 08:56 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'm sure you guys probably had a good time playing bumper cars!

Here's the rub, though, guy: do you walk away if he's incompetant, or do you try to leverage your evil superintelligence to take advantage of the guy? That's where I'm at: do I deal with the moron with the confidence I can win a battle of wits, or do I just try and find a better salesman?

Ice-9
04-30-2001, 05:21 PM
I heard Porsche. Somebody say Porsche? Wait, a 1994 Speedster? Does such a thing exist? I thought Speedsters were part of the 356 series, and stopped being produced in the late 60s. Off the top of my head, I think Porsche was only making the 911, 930, and 968 in '94.

Loki
04-30-2001, 05:40 PM
PORSCHE?!?!? did somebody mention porsche?? (drool drool) :eek:

Ya that's what I thought Ice. Are you talking about the Boxster penny?

pennypinch
05-01-2001, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Ice-9
I heard Porsche. Somebody say Porsche? Wait, a 1994 Speedster? Does such a thing exist? I thought Speedsters were part of the 356 series, and stopped being produced in the late 60s. Off the top of my head, I think Porsche was only making the 911, 930, and 968 in '94.

Nope. 1994 had a real slew of 911 varients (of which the 930 is one...I don't even think they called it a 930, just a turbo, and I believe the Turbo 3.6).

The two I wanted to get were the RS America cabriolet and the Speedster. Cut down winshield, body colour wheels, and a body colour fiberglass toneau covering a manual top. Looks absolutely badass with the top up or down thanks to the winshield. It was based on the...damn, can't remember the designation for the 911's that came before the 993...anyway, they all have the 3.6 engines, which is a relief. Only 3000 made, so I'm having a bit of a harder time finding it than I thought...but persistence, hopefully, will pay off.

Jesus, for an alleged Porschephile, you sure don't know shit about 911's! :D

Ice-9
05-01-2001, 03:18 PM
Not enough, it's true. I know more about the old ones than the '90s ones.

Anyway, I know about the RS America, but I'd never heard of the Speedster variant. I just looked up the 911 model history again, though, and you're right about the 930, it ceased to be designated that way after 1979. The designation for the pre-993 911s ('90-'94) was 964. There were actually multiple 911 Speedster models, one in '89 and one in '93. That enough for you, pennypinch?



[Edited by Ice-9 on 05-02-2001 at 12:25 PM]