Suicide: Suckage or not Suckage?

[for20]

Considering all my options here; what do you folks think?
http://www.egroups.co.uk/attach/2930702/12/gs-293=07=2930702/10-1-4-103/image=jpeg/Forgotten%20tombstone.jpg

Got|Death (http://www.death-dying.com/)?

[Edited by for20 on 04-30-2001 at 12:24 AM]

[INeedAVacation]

Why would you waste the most precious gift anyone could ever receive? God gave you LIFE for a reason.

[Got Apex Moderator]

I think you need to reduce the size of the picture in your sig for20/renots. Try to keep pictures 20kb or smaller in the future. If a picture is bigger than that link to it only.

Got Apex Moderator

[TheLoneGunman]

Ask yourself:

1. What if you attempted suicide and failed and left yourself in some horrible state?

2. What if you decided halfway thru the event that you changed your mind?

3. What if you died, met your Creator and learned that there were NO conspiracies, that Kennedy really was killed by Oswald, aliens don't exist, and Elvis really is dead?

[for20]

...I definately felt more understanding.

Yeah, still gotz work 2 do

[eSDee]

I think I missed the point of this thread.

[Edited by EsDeeLoco on 04-30-2001 at 04:17 PM]

[m0j0]

some things arent our business....and i mean death. it comes on its own. it's not our job. it will happen in time. if stuff has you down, just think, if you go, it may get better. then what? that would suck worse. you would miss out on all the good stuff. nah, you gotta just stick it out like the rest of us. life is rough, but it's the rough times that make us appreciate the good times even more.

[LemmingFluff]

Hey, in some cultures suicide is perfectly legitimate solution to such phenomena as overcrowding and dishonor

Besides, maybe for20 truely was feeling down, and needed some input from his online community; some times it just takes a little common~sense talk at the just the right time to get people back on track. We shouldn't discourage those that might need to share some true emotional issues with the threat of mockery; is this board not an important information resource that issues such as suicide, and the feelings the precede it,[the slightest tinge of which may make you feel uncomfortable enough to sheath your feelings in a facade of sneering], should NOT be discussed in a more tolerant atmosphere?

I think the link provided is plenty of food for thought

[DeepTrout]

Usually I would say "Try anything once", but in this case...

[renots]

...that our society, in perpetuating its pachydermatous distruction of our eco~systems, is in fact commiting slow suicide

What would this (http://www.cmf.org.uk/pubs/booklets/euth/suicide.htm) say about the moral state of our culture then?

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by renots
...that our society, in perpetuating its pachydermatous distruction of our eco~systems, is in fact commiting slow suicide

What would this (http://www.cmf.org.uk/pubs/booklets/euth/suicide.htm) say about the moral state of our culture then?



Responding to yourself? Someone have a slight multiple personality disorder there... At least you always have a friend to talk to about your problems...

ProMinx

[welfareloser]

suicide... when life is so damned short anyway? if life sucks, do something drastic - there's always a better form of escape than death, which will come soon enough anyway. quit your job/school, quit your relationship, sell your house/abandon your apartment, and go far, far away. run away and join a circus. take a vacation someplace you've always wanted to go.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by LemmingFluff
Hey, in some cultures suicide is perfectly legitimate solution to such phenomena as overcrowding and dishonor



That whole honor stuff is one big crock of shit!!! I never understood why people would put so much importance on such a stupid thing. The world is a huge place, your dishonor will not follow you everywhere. I can not imagine a situation in which i would kill myself because of such a reason. Just my opinion of coarse.

[renots]

http://www.walkers.org/

[Luxykin007]

one day when i broke up with a g/f i was dating for 3 months in highschool, i was so distressed i sat out on the tracks waiting for a train. i knew even then i wouldn't have sat there and let it hit me, i just couldn't justify it... over someone i knew only 5-6 months out of my whole life?! get real that would be ridiculous. think of my poor family that had invested all their time and life into me, and my friends. they would be so pissed off i did that, and rightfully so. death isn't our descision, and something we shouldn't live in fear of. since that day my life has changed radically. i have truely come to believe who God is, seeing him work in my life since then. I met an awesome Christian girl and last week we celebrated our one-year dating anniversary. Hmmmm, that or kitten kabootle? I choose the life that God had planned for me all along. If you are seriously struggling, I seriously encourage you to pick up your Bible and give Jesus a chance to change your life. that may sound cheesy, or it may not, but that fact remains he has changed my life from a druggie and a psuedo alcolholic to a honor roll student where I go to school. I give the credit for that to know one else. I'll be praying for you.

[aglio412]

if you ask me, suicide is THE most selfish thing anyone can do...

yeah i've been down and yeah i've thought about it...but when it's all said in the done...you're taking the easy way out and being a big pussy.

the thought of my family coping was all i ever needed to deal...

as depressed and crappy as you might feel...there is someone out there who cares about you...and by killing yourself, you're really hurting that person or those people.

[Two Cents]

The will to survive is the single most potent instinct all livings things have, IMO. It always amazes how we can train and have been trained to let go of that simply because we feel bad. People feel ashamed, or feel depressed, or feel guilty, etc. because of something that has happened, and the only way to escape that is to kill yourself? It's one thing to die as a result of some action, like trying to save someone, but to kill yourself because of a FEELING, after the fact?

[Jpeace121]

What some of you are failing to understand is that sometimes the people who consider/commit suicide are suffering from severe and debilitating mental problems, which are often times the result of abuse that the person suffered early in life, whether physical, mental, or sexual (I'm not implying that this is the case with for20). The person often feels that they cannot escape these feelings that they are experiencing, feelings that haunt them every damn day of their lives.


Originally posted by Two Cents
It's one thing to die as a result of some action, like trying to save someone, but to kill yourself because of a FEELING, after the fact?

If you knew what these feelings were like, you might not say that. They never leave you. Every night you go to bed hoping that you'll wake up and they're not there. But every morning, there they are, waiting for you. The only analogy that really fits is that it's like some sort of imprisonment. You just don't know how to cope with/get rid of these things.

Most of the comments that have been made have had a negative or intolerant tone. Maybe for20 is just phuckin' around, and maybe for20 is serious. If (s)he is, then I think LemmingFluff is spot on.

[b][i]Trust me[b][i], you would rather err on the side of doing too much than not enough when it comes to dealing with people who are exhibiting suicidal tendencies

[OC]

My two cents - If a person is seriously ill with little to no chance of recovery and leading a so-called "normal" life, I would support their desire to die with dignity. However, to kill yourself just because you're having a hard time, or you're lonely, or whatever - I'm sorry, but that's the cowardly way out.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

-OC

[Drunk Monkey]

has ne body realized that for20 hasnt responded to ne of this... maybe he already HAS committed suicide.

[joe52985]

EL MONKEY u dumbass, ur comment was inconsiderate (spl?) and irate, never mind totally uncalled for in this situation, i suggest u leave and forget about G|A? becasue u will never amount to anything here and i know you have lost many peoples respect, and in my eyes, you are nothing`

[El Scorcho]

Originally posted by joe52985
EL MONKEY u dumbass, ur comment was inconsiderate (spl?) and irate, never mind totally uncalled for in this situation, i suggest u leave and forget about G|A? becasue u will never amount to anything here and i know you have lost many peoples respect, and in my eyes, you are nothing`

settle down there buddy... that last post was out of concern... not a joke

[Grimm]

Originally posted by El Scorcho

Originally posted by joe52985
EL MONKEY u dumbass, ur comment was inconsiderate (spl?) and irate, never mind totally uncalled for in this situation, i suggest u leave and forget about G|A? becasue u will never amount to anything here and i know you have lost many peoples respect, and in my eyes, you are nothing`

settle down there buddy... that last post was out of concern... not a joke

for20's last post was on 7/02/2001. As the thread started in May, I don't think it's a problem. If he was really considering anything stupid he would have probably brought it up again. He is probably just on vacation or became bored with the forums.

[ChrisMG187]

guys, for20=renots. come out to irc sometime, you'll see him there.

[Two Cents]

I would not speak about this subject if I'd never experienced it myself. My point was not to tell him what to do, but to try to make him think about his feelings and not let his feelings be the sole factor in committing the act.

Sounds to me like he is not letting the feelings go, and with no closure, the feelings eat away at him until the actual event is not significant anymore, but the fact that he feels bad makes him want to end it. Bottomline, after a time, you can decide not to feel bad anymore, at least not enough to commit the act. My point is he has to decide to that, because the feeling won't go away on its own.

I guess I'm just not good at explaining that. Anyway, for your reference, I was on edge on and off for four years until I learned to close the door.

[Jpeace121]

Originally posted by Two Cents
I would not speak about this subject if I'd never experienced it myself. My point was not to tell him what to do, but to try to make him think about his feelings and not let his feelings be the sole factor in committing the act.

Sounds to me like he is not letting the feelings go, and with no closure, the feelings eat away at him until the actual event is not significant anymore, but the fact that he feels bad makes him want to end it. Bottomline, after a time, you can decide not to feel bad anymore, at least not enough to commit the act. My point is he has to decide to that, because the feeling won't go away on its own.

I guess I'm just not good at explaining that. Anyway, for your reference, I was on edge on and off for four years until I learned to close the door.

It's cool, and I didn't really mean my response to be directed specifically at you, even though I quoted you. I just wanted to put my two cents in, pardon the pun.

I'm glad that you were able to cope with your stuff, whatever it was, and move on. I too, speak from experience. One of the members of my immediate family committed suicide, and it was because of those feelings that I talked about, feelings that that person couldn't let go of. All I'm saying is that sometimes it's just not as easy as a person saying 'OK, I'm not going to let these things bother me anymore.' I think it does start with the person deciding this, but sometimes it takes more than that. Basically my point is that sometimes we have to look outside ourselves and find other things that can help us cope, and that is hard to do sometimes. That's all I was trying to say.