Organized Religion

[Burzhui]

Organized Religion is major suckage!!!
Anybody else, chants and raves please....

[hapoo]

ya got anything to back that up with??

[Burzhui]

Yea dude,
Well lets see, why do you have to follow what some invisble guy tells you to do? I mean it is not proven that he exists, the bible, don't even get me started on that, is contradicts itself sooo much... the torah, i am not sure on the torah, never read it, the Khoran teaches hate like nothing else. I mean why not just believe what you believe and have the rest of the community leave you alone and not call you a sacreligious bastard, and a sinner and what not.

To quote george carlan or however his name is speller or pronounced,
Religion wants us to believe that there is an invisible guy up there in the sky, and he watches you every minute of every day. Now this invisible guy has 10 specific things that he wants us to not do. And if we do any one of those things, we will burn forever in hell, in pain and agony. You will fry in the hottest of the flames and will have the most painfull of pains.
But don't forget that he loves you!"

I mean come on christianity accepts Judaism as a religion that was there before christianity and so does Islam... but isn't there one true religion and everything else is just idolization? There is just so much of this kind of stuff out there, and one can't help but wonder why?
Do your own thing that's what i say

[hapoo]

Originally posted by Burzhui
the Khoran teaches hate like nothing else.


you've been way misinformed!! don't let the actions of a bunch of dumbasses give you the wrong idea. And even if they did do such bad things (and keep in mind i'm not condoning the actions) you have to figure out why, whats the story behind it?? Islam is THE fastest growing religon, how could hundreds of millions of people be wrong? ;)

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by hapoo

Originally posted by Burzhui
the Khoran teaches hate like nothing else.


you've been way misinformed!! don't let the actions of a bunch of dumbasses give you the wrong idea. And even if they did do such bad things (and keep in mind i'm not condoning the actions) you have to figure out why, whats the story behind it?? Islam is THE fastest growing religon, how could hundreds of millions of people be wrong? ;)

actually the koran has wonderful things to say. i respect it a hell of a lot more than the bible. its when it gets put in to practice by some ppl that it gets all fucked up. organized religion is generally fine on paper, but usually goes to hell in a handbasket (quickly) once humans start trying to accomplish anything with it.

[theorangeone]

i know for me personally, organized religion was not a good match. i was raised catholic, confirmed and all that jazz. and if and when i ever get married, i plan on doing it in a catholic church (preferably the church i went to growing up). but for the most part, i don't believe in what they teach and rules they enforce.

i've tried going to a few different protestant churches, and they all wierded me out. i think it was because they were so much looser than the catholic mass.

there are some people who thrive in an organized religion. they have the faith and the belief system to help them.

anyway, there are some good quotes from the movie dogma that pertain to this thread:

Rufus, the 13th Apostle: What He really hates is the shit that gets carried out in his name. Wars. Bigotry. Televangelism.

Loki: Church laws are fallible because they're created by man.

Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats faith as a burden instead of a blessing. You people don't celebrate your faith; you mourn it.

[speedracer120]

Originally posted by theorangeone
i know for me personally, organized religion was not a good match. i was raised catholic, confirmed and all that jazz. and if and when i ever get married, i plan on doing it in a catholic church (preferably the church i went to growing up). but for the most part, i don't believe in what they teach and rules they enforce.

i've tried going to a few different protestant churches, and they all wierded me out. i think it was because they were so much looser than the catholic mass.

there are some people who thrive in an organized religion. they have the faith and the belief system to help them.

anyway, there are some good quotes from the movie dogma that pertain to this thread:

Rufus, the 13th Apostle: What He really hates is the shit that gets carried out in his name. Wars. Bigotry. Televangelism.

Loki: Church laws are fallible because they're created by man.

Serendipity: I have issues with anyone who treats faith as a burden instead of a blessing. You people don't celebrate your faith; you mourn it.



Dogma was one weird movie. Alanis Morrisette as God *shudder*.

[eSDee]

Originally posted by Burzhui

Do your own thing that's what i say

Hey Burzhui, because you are saying that you don't believe in any organized religion and that it is all bullshit, aren't you doing the same thing as say a Christian who proclaims a Muslim to be wrong? Or anyone else who believes in only their religion and declares all others to be false? Either way you are choosing your own agenda over anyone else's, and therefore are slinging the same kind of mud that people in holy(verbal) wars are.

If you truly believe that everyone should do their own thing, then shouldn't you be cool with whatever else everyone else does?

[eSDee]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco

Originally posted by Burzhui

Do your own thing that's what i say

Hey Burzhui, because you are saying that you don't believe in any organized religion and that it is all bullshit, aren't you doing the same thing as say a Christian who proclaims a Muslim to be wrong? Or anyone else who believes in only their religion and declares all others to be false? Either way you are choosing your own agenda over anyone else's, and therefore are slinging the same kind of mud that people in holy(verbal) wars are.

If you truly believe that everyone should do their own thing, then shouldn't you be cool with whatever else everyone else does?

[eSDee]

Originally posted by Burzhui

Do your own thing that's what i say

Hey Burzhui, because you are saying that you don't believe in any organized religion and that it is all bullshit, aren't you doing the same thing as say a Christian who proclaims a Muslim to be wrong? Or anyone else who believes in only their religion and declares all others to be false? Either way you are choosing your own agenda over anyone else's, and therefore are slinging the same kind of mud that people in holy(verbal) wars are.

If you truly believe that everyone should do their own thing, then shouldn't you be cool with whatever else everyone else does?

[revil]

oi

[OC]

I don't subscribe to organized religion for a few reasons. Before I start let me just say that I know that there are exceptions to the examples I'm going to give, and I do not intend these as blanket statements. Do I have proof of all of this? No, but faith is not about proof.

The moral message of most religions don't really sink into people. They sin from Monday through Saturday and get absolution on Sunday. It doesn't even occur to a lot of people carry a high moral standard through the week. This is hypocrisy in my book, and I'll have no part of it.

I don't believe in a "heaven" and "hell", per se. With the incredible complexity of the mind and the universe and as many unanswered questions we have about life after death (and other things) I cannot believe that we live then we die and that's it. I do think these places may exist, and one may really be your final destination, but one life is not going to decide your ultimate destiny.

People use religion as an excuse for violence far too often. Where does it say, in any religious text, that you should kill those who stand in your way, or to kill those that do not believe as you do? Nowhere. The problem is vagueness. If you have a certain point of view, you can probably find a passage in the Bible (or other text) that supports that point of view. This is how religious violence gets justified. Utter nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.

The final message of virtually all religions is this: Do the right thing, be a good person, and do not cause harm to others. It is nothing more complicated than that.

-OC

[Burzhui]

Dude the Khoran says and i quote "Kill the non-believer and the unfaithful"

[sho.gun]

Then how come Islam is the fastest growing religion when they kill all the nonbelievers... no one would get converted. Religion should be based on the self, I for one believe in a loving God and the problem with organized religion is that it is emphasizing more on the religion/church itself rather than the God.

[Burzhui]

sho.gun i actually agree with you about the concentration on church instead of god

[CluelessSi]

The bible has contradictions in it which further validates it. Think about it this way, if you were a judge and here comes 5 witnesses to a crime. They all say the SAME EXACT STORY to the dot. will you say that they were saying the truth? I think not.. Most likly they collaborated before hand to match the story. So thus little changes in the story actually validates the bible. The bible after all is a collection of testimonies. http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/rtb/

has many arguments on the bible's validty and other concerns.




Originally posted by Burzhui
Yea dude,
Well lets see, why do you have to follow what some invisble guy tells you to do? I mean it is not proven that he exists, the bible, don't even get me started on that, is contradicts itself sooo much... the torah, i am not sure on the torah, never read it, the Khoran teaches hate like nothing else. I mean why not just believe what you believe and have the rest of the community leave you alone and not call you a sacreligious bastard, and a sinner and what not.

To quote george carlan or however his name is speller or pronounced,
Religion wants us to believe that there is an invisible guy up there in the sky, and he watches you every minute of every day. Now this invisible guy has 10 specific things that he wants us to not do. And if we do any one of those things, we will burn forever in hell, in pain and agony. You will fry in the hottest of the flames and will have the most painfull of pains.
But don't forget that he loves you!"

I mean come on christianity accepts Judaism as a religion that was there before christianity and so does Islam... but isn't there one true religion and everything else is just idolization? There is just so much of this kind of stuff out there, and one can't help but wonder why?
Do your own thing that's what i say

[outriding9800]

you all need to check out http://www.bettybowers.com

i think she sums up all organized religion...

[sbp]

Yes organized religion sucks. It assists poor people, gives comfort to the sick and dying and helps educates youngsters. All that to be condemned for sure. :o

[Edited by sbp on 05-19-2001 at 11:07 AM]