GUESS WHO'S THE CEO OF THE RIAA?

[johnnymk]

Just got the latest issue of the Industry Standard. This issue celebrates 21 of the most influential people of the Net economy. Until stubidzbu identified Hilary Rosen a few threads earlier, I never heard of her. She is the head of the Recording Industry Association of America.
In the article, they note that she helped produce last year's Equality Rock concerts for gay rights, starring Melissa Ethridge, Garth Brooks and George Michael. Furthermore, the article claims that she and Elizabeth Birch, who is the executive director for the gay advocacy Human Rights campaign live together raising two year old twins.
These are the same people who are telling you that downloading music is immoral and formed a task force to keep explicit songs from being marketed to kids.
Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth!!

[topane]

I'm not sure I'm reading this right--are you saying she shouldn't be fighting Napster because she's gay? :confused:

[ArkiStan]

heads up...

:eek2: extreme right wing alert!! :eek2:

[ArkiStan]

If Topane's right, then I have a feeling that this thread is gonna get pretty exciting!!! :johnwoo2: woohoo~!! :woo:

But hey topane, maybe we should let johnnymk elaborate first....

[topane]

Yeah, I figured I'd wait to see if a flaming was deserved :heh:

*grabs a pack of matches and some lighter fluid*

[ironchef]

No, no. Don't you see? He's saying that being gay is immoral. I don't understand the problem though, we've seen it stated in other threads that it's perfectly OK to be immoral while being a good Christian. In fact, that's the whole beauty of Christianity!

Maybe we can stone them and have 'em convert back to being god-fearin' heterosexuals.

Oy..

[topane]

Originally posted by ironchef
No, no. Don't you see? He's saying that being gay is immoral. That's what I thought, I just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

[froggystyle]

this is not extreme rigt wing...this is just plain christian homophobia or at least it seems that way maybe he was trying to say something else....I doubt it though

[johnnymk]

I never could figure how a straight twenty year-old- something-heterosexual could even imagine that the gay lifestyle is somehow acceptable, but I guess with everything abnormal becoming politically correct, it shouldn't surprise me.
To make this situation a little more vivid:
Hilary's daughter gets a call late in the night from one of her friends. The friend says that her older brother is downloading music from NAPSTER. Knowing that her mother would just love to hear of this horrible activity, she rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her other mommy.Hilary tells her to leave the bedroom, but she will be with her in a minute. Hilary regains her composure, talks to her daughter, telling her what an evil person her friend's brother is - a low-life pirate who has no regards for the profits of the record companies... er... the recording artists. The daughter tries to understand, but really has a hard time trying to figure it out. After all, he only clicked his mouse and just wants to listen to some music on his computer.
Meanwhile, Hilary says " Go back to your room and pretend you didn't see anything."
I am not a rocket scientist but I see the hypocrisy.

[ironchef]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I never could figure how a straight twenty year-old- something-heterosexual could even imagine that the gay lifestyle is somehow acceptable, but I guess with everything abnormal becoming politically correct, it shouldn't surprise me.
I never could understand how a person granted the gift of a thinking brain could rely so blindly on a book written by misogynists, rewritten by homophobes and transcribed by illiterates. But I guess with people having no will of their own, desiring the unearned, fearing change and the unknown and having zero faith in their own capacity as a thinking, acting human being, it shouldn't surprise me.

But on to your invalid anecdote.


Hilary's daughter gets a call late in the night from one of her friends. The friend says that her older brother is downloading music from NAPSTER. Knowing that her mother would just love to hear of this horrible activity, she rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her other mommy.Hilary tells her to leave the bedroom, but she will be with her in a minute. Hilary regains her composure, talks to her daughter, telling her what an evil person her friend's brother is - a low-life pirate who has no regards for the profits of the record companies... er... the recording artists. The daughter tries to understand, but really has a hard time trying to figure it out. After all, he only clicked his mouse and just wants to listen to some music on his computer.
Hmm, he wants to listen to licensed intellectual property without paying the price for it? I can see why you think this is ok!

Did the friend ever write something, or do anything which requires thought and effort and skill? He did? Well, then it's his decision to do with it as he pleases. Not yours, not mine, not Napster's. I love a good mp3 as much as the next person, but make no mistake about it, it's stealing. If the artist is caught up in a record contract that won't let him release his music freely over Napster, then so be it. Them's the nature of the business and the pitfalls of working with a big record company.


Meanwhile, Hilary says " Go back to your room and pretend you didn't see anything."
Hilary then has to explain to her daughter that being gay is something to be ashamed of, because God said so. She also has to explain to her that the KKK is a good organization because they fight for God, too. She has to tell her that no matter what her value or worth as a human, no matter what achievements she may make, if she ends up gay, like her poor mother who should've chosen not to be, has, then she's going straight to hayellll, may gawd have mercy on her.


I am not a rocket scientist
You've got that right :rolleyes:

[froggystyle]

ok wait. lemme get this straight... It's hipocritical to be against stealing music because your homosexual and therefore have no morals....this is the most absurd argument ive ever heared witout even getting into oppinion on the bible. This is ludicrous. Im not even sure it merits a response its so dumb. I feel like ive lost I.Q. ponts after reading that coment.

[zenbooty]

Lesbians are cool. They make me horny. :D

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I never could figure how a straight twenty year-old- something-heterosexual could even imagine that the gay lifestyle is somehow acceptable, but I guess with everything abnormal becoming politically correct, it shouldn't surprise me.
To make this situation a little more vivid:
Hilary's daughter gets a call late in the night from one of her friends. The friend says that her older brother is downloading music from NAPSTER. Knowing that her mother would just love to hear of this horrible activity, she rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her other mommy.Hilary tells her to leave the bedroom, but she will be with her in a minute. Hilary regains her composure, talks to her daughter, telling her what an evil person her friend's brother is - a low-life pirate who has no regards for the profits of the record companies... er... the recording artists. The daughter tries to understand, but really has a hard time trying to figure it out. After all, he only clicked his mouse and just wants to listen to some music on his computer.
Meanwhile, Hilary says " Go back to your room and pretend you didn't see anything."
I am not a rocket scientist but I see the hypocrisy.

Christ...

I can think of no more appropriate a quotation than from Billy Madison: "...And we are all dumber for having heard that."

Don't you have a crusade to go on or something?

[johnnymk]

Political Correctness is alive and well in America, even at gotapex.

[ironchef]

Originally posted by johnnymk
Political Correctness is alive and well in America, even at gotapex.
Good god, not that!

Xenophobia is alive and well in America, even in Christianity.

[for20]

Originally posted by zenbooty
Lesbians are cool. They make me horny. :D

As horny as this dude (http://www.e-sheep.com/apocamon/apocadex/images/09_lamb.gif)?

[pennypinch]

Well, your logic would suppose that because most of the population is hetrosexual, then the minority is doing something wrong.

Well, most of the world is atheist. Therefore, all religous belief is immoral.

Most of the world are women. Therefore, possession of a penis is unconscionable.

Most of the world are of average intelligence. You, therefore, are doing something wholly disgusting.

[renots]

...the music industry is responsible for providing food, water, and health care, so why shouldn't they be entitled to billions of our $$$?

[DeepTrout]

Originally posted by pennypinch
Well, most of the world is atheist.

Is that so (http://www.wabashcenter.wabash.edu/Internet/worldrel.htm)?

[ironchef]

well, we've heard from renots, renots, and renots.

renots, are we missing anybody else? :)

[m0j0]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I never could figure how a straight twenty year-old- something-heterosexual could even imagine that the gay lifestyle is somehow acceptable, but I guess with everything abnormal becoming politically correct, it shouldn't surprise me.
<snip>I am not a rocket scientist but I see the hypocrisy.

morons...your bus is leaving!

[renots]

Originally posted by ironchef
well, we've heard from renots, renots, and renots.

renots, are we missing anybody else? :)

Yeah, where the heck is Babs?

[froggystyle]

this isnt about political correctnes... this is about homophobia and biggotry. you are saying that the head of the riaa has no right to make any stance because she is gay.
what does that have to do with political correctness? this has to do with you being a biggot and anextremely ignorant individual. one of the key parts of our constitution guarantees the right to personal liberty and you are saying that this woman doesnt have that because she prefers to be with women instead of men. Man if this country didnt guarantee freedom of speech I would bitch slap you and tell you to shut your pie hole. But you as an american have a right to say and do anything as long as it doesnt impede upon anyone elses right to say and do anything. The head of the riaas personal sex life doesnt impede upon anybodys ability to do anything and it deffinately doesnt invalidate her right to judge legal and illegal activities.

[topane]

OK, my turn.

Originally posted by johnnymk
I never could figure how a straight twenty year-old- something-heterosexual could even imagine that the gay lifestyle is somehow acceptable, but I guess with everything abnormal becoming politically correct, it shouldn't surprise me. Why do people think that homosexuality is a choice? You're made one way or the other (or even both), but it's not as if there's a choice in the matter. Maybe this is genetic. If you had a gay friend, would his "gayness" rub off on you, causing you to want men? I think not. You know, I was a music major in college and I couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a homosexual. They were in my classes. In my ensembles. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THEY SPOKE TO ME SOMETIMES AND I SPOKE BACK!!! And you know what, I'm still straight and they're still gay. No one ever approached me and said "Come on and give it a try".

Time for a little Bible lesson:
Leviticus 18:22 is translated as (King James Bible) "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." The LITERAL translation of this is "And you will not put to sleep the male the woman's naps abomination he is". I dunno about you, but it sounds like no afternoon naps for the guys here.
Did you also know...
Only virgins may marry (Lev. 21:14)? http://www.fourmilab.to/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html#21:14
You will be destroyed for mowing your lawn on Sunday? (Lev. 23:30)? http://www.fourmilab.to/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html#23:30
Childbirth is unclean? (Lev. 12:1-8)? http://www.fourmilab.to/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html#12:1
Menstruation is unclean -- may not touch a woman during that time, also anything she sits on needs to be washed good(Lev. 15:19-33)? http://www.fourmilab.to/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html#15:19

I find it amazing that people read and quote the parts of the Bible they like, and simply ignore the rest. I find it amazing I'm still thinking about arguing with you. Anyone looking for some good Christian reading should hop on over to Jack Chick's site www.chick.com and read some cartoons. Then you'll see what intolerance is all about.

[pennypinch]

I believe you are mistaken. You are gay. Swinging dead cats and similarly light-loafered activities are quintissentially gay. You have been converted, and you didn't even know it!

Chalk up another insidious victory for the poofs!

[renots]

Originally posted by froggystyle
The head of the riaas personal sex life doesnt impede upon anybodys ability to do anything and it deffinately doesnt invalidate her right to judge legal and illegal activities.

Except that what is legal and "illegal" with regards to all the BS special interest legislation that got passed has very little to do with what is right or wrong

[m0j0]

i tell you what....i like gay ppl. they have good taste in decorating...lol

anyhow...ya. um...i just wanted to say, really, that ppl who are gay have to be made that way. i was born straight, and the thought of kissing a guy just makes me lose my lunch :puke: . so i figure that if someone is doing that, it must be what is natural for them. either that or they have stomach of steal and are trying really hard to prove a point that is not worth proving.

if ppl are gay, let them be gay. in return, they will let you be straight.

[topane]

Originally posted by pennypinch
I believe you are mistaken. You are gay. Swinging dead cats and similarly light-loafered activities are quintissentially gay. You have been converted, and you didn't even know it!

Chalk up another insidious victory for the poofs! LMAO!
Hey, whatcha' doing later, big guy, hmmmmm?
:kiss:

[ironchef]

Originally posted by topane
I find it amazing that people read and quote the parts of the Bible they like, and simply ignore the rest. I find it amazing I'm still thinking about arguing with you. Anyone looking for some good Christian reading should hop on over to Jack Chick's site www.chick.com and read some cartoons. Then you'll see what intolerance is all about.
Holy crap. I haven't seen those damn things since I left high school. That is some of the most depressing and frightening dogma I've ever seen.

I wonder if I'll be allowed to appreciate my company down in hayell.

[topane]

Don't worry, we'll all be there with you. Maybe we can start a "deals in hell" site.

[ironchef]

LOL!

Thanks :) maybe there LPM won't find all my hidden comments!

[for20]

Originally posted by ironchef

Originally posted by topane
I find it amazing that people read and quote the parts of the Bible they like, and simply ignore the rest. I find it amazing I'm still thinking about arguing with you. Anyone looking for some good Christian reading should hop on over to Jack Chick's site www.chick.com and read some cartoons. Then you'll see what intolerance is all about.
Holy crap. I haven't seen those damn things since I left high school. That is some of the most depressing and frightening dogma I've ever seen.

I wonder if I'll be allowed to appreciate my company down in hayell.

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_03.asp

The Jesuits had secretly prepared World War II, and Hitler's war machine was built and financed by the Vatican to conquer the world for Roman Catholicism, Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco were to be the defenders of the faith. They were set up to win and conquer the world, and set up a millennium for the pope.

Behind the scenes, the Jesuits controlled the Gestapo. All this is fully documented in THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE JESUITS, published by Chick Publications. Read what the press of the Spanish dictator, Franco, published on the 3rd of May, 1945, the day of Hitler's death. It said, "Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity." It goes on to say, "Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory."
* * *
Hitler himself stated, "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits. Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party."
* * *
Walter Schellenberg, former chief of Nazi counter-espionage made this statement: "The S.S. organization had been constituted by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. Their regulations and the Spiritual Exercises prescribed by Ignatius of Loyola were the model Himmler tried to copy exactly. Himmler's title as supreme chief of the S.S. was to be the equivalent of the Jesuits' 'General' and the whole structure was a close imitation of the Catholic Church's hierarchical order."
* * *
Franz von Papen, another powerful Nazi, who was instrumental in setting up the concordat between Germany and the Vatican had this to say: "The Third Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts into practice the high principles of the papacy." If you are not aware of what a concordat is, a concordat is an agreement between the Vatican and a government. As far as the Vatican is concerned, that government that signed the concordat has now become a part of the government of God, and the Vatican fully intends to stabilize that government, give it divine protection, and give it international protection.

ADOLPH HITLER SAID:
"I am personally convinced of the great power and deep significance of Christianity, and I won't allow any other religion to be promoted. That is why I have turned away from Ludendorff and that is why I reject that book by Rosenberg. It was written by a Protestant. It is not a Party book. It was not written by him as a Party man. The Protestants can be left to argue with him ... As a Catholic I never feel comfortable in the Evangelical Church or its structures. That is why I will have great difficulty if I try to regulate affairs of the Protestant churches. The evangelical people or the Protestants will in any case reject me. But you can be sure: I will protect the rights and freedoms of the churches and not let them be touched, so that you need have no fears about the future of the Church."

Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the Jewish question: "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic church has adopted for fifteen hundred years, when it has regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos etc., because it knew what the Jews were like. I don't put race above religion, but I do see the danger in the representatives of this race for Church and State, and perhaps I am doing Christianity a great service."

~~~

So....can't we all just get along?

[johnnymk]

There was a news item last week that in the black community 13% of gay men in their twenties each year eventually develop AIDS. At that rate, within 7 Years, all of the twenties something black gay men will have developed AIDS. And the likelihood of them being alive 10 years after that is slim. This is an acceptable lifestyle? OK, the Constitution allows them the right to practice their alternative lifestyle and to even boast about it, but if it's killing them, WHY?

[for20]

Originally posted by johnnymk
There was a news item last week that in the black community 13% of gay men in their twenties each year eventually develop AIDS. At that rate, within 7 Years, all of the twenties something black gay men will have developed AIDS. And the likelihood of them being alive 10 years after that is slim. This is an acceptable lifestyle? OK, the Constitution allows them the right to practice their alternative lifestyle and to even boast about it, but if it's killing them, WHY?

For the same reason this country still allows us to commit slow suicide with cigarettes, coffee, genetically modified foods, alcohol, bad air and bad food:

It's America, land of the totally insane

[topane]

Originally posted by johnnymk
There was a news item last week that in the black community 13% of gay men in their twenties each year eventually develop AIDS. At that rate, within 7 Years, all of the twenties something black gay men will have developed AIDS. And the likelihood of them being alive 10 years after that is slim. This is an acceptable lifestyle? OK, the Constitution allows them the right to practice their alternative lifestyle and to even boast about it, but if it's killing them, WHY? AIDS does not discriminate. Yes, gay men are at risk. So are heterosexual men and women, too. How about all those millions of ppl in Africa? You can't tell me they're all gay. It spreads through UNPROTECTED SEXUAL contact. Don't matter who's doing it, if only homosexuals got it, how come heterosexuals have it too?

[renots]

when it's ur time, it's ur time

[jase71]

Originally posted by johnnymk
There was a news item last week that in the black community 13% of gay men in their twenties each year eventually develop AIDS. At that rate, within 7 Years, all of the twenties something black gay men will have developed AIDS. And the likelihood of them being alive 10 years after that is slim. This is an acceptable lifestyle? OK, the Constitution allows them the right to practice their alternative lifestyle and to even boast about it, but if it's killing them, WHY?


Hmmm... Smoking will likely eventually kill you.

Drinking stands a pretty good chance of the same if you
drink to excess.

Driving? The more time you spend behind the wheel, the greater your odds are of dying. Even if you drive safely.

Flying? Your odds of dying in a plane crash are greater than winning the lottery. People still buy lottery tickets AND plane tickets.

Extreme sports?

Are they acceptable parts of any healthy lifestyle?

Are you equating risk of death with morality? Because apparently women are more likely to contract the aids virus than men. Does this make being female immoral?

How about going to war for your country. You'll likely die. Is this an acceptable lifestyle?

Risk factor does not alone correlate to immoral behavior.

[m0j0]

the whole aids argument is lame. take the ppl who are gay out of the equation. what do you have? you have aids in just the heterosexual community. now the argument i guess would become...."those immoral heterosexuals"

[for20]

Originally posted by m0j0
the whole aids argument is lame. take the ppl who are gay out of the equation. what do you have? you have aids in just the heterosexual community. now the argument i guess would become...."those immoral heterosexuals"

"Why do you try to remove the splinter from your brother's
eye when you have a BIG OL' LOG in your own eye?"

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by jase71

Originally posted by johnnymk
There was a news item last week that in the black community 13% of gay men in their twenties each year eventually develop AIDS. At that rate, within 7 Years, all of the twenties something black gay men will have developed AIDS. And the likelihood of them being alive 10 years after that is slim. This is an acceptable lifestyle? OK, the Constitution allows them the right to practice their alternative lifestyle and to even boast about it, but if it's killing them, WHY?


Hmmm... Smoking will likely eventually kill you.

Drinking stands a pretty good chance of the same if you
drink to excess.

Driving? The more time you spend behind the wheel, the greater your odds are of dying. Even if you drive safely.

Flying? Your odds of dying in a plane crash are greater than winning the lottery. People still buy lottery tickets AND plane tickets.

Extreme sports?

Are they acceptable parts of any healthy lifestyle?

Are you equating risk of death with morality? Because apparently women are more likely to contract the aids virus than men. Does this make being female immoral?

How about going to war for your country. You'll likely die. Is this an acceptable lifestyle?

Risk factor does not alone correlate to immoral behavior.
Well, finally! I was always convinced we Amish have got the key to heaven!

[jase71]

Originally posted by pennypinch
Well, finally! I was always convinced we Amish have got the key to heaven!

Yeah, but do you have to stand there and jingle it in your pocket like that? :)

[m0j0]

the amish are allowed to use computers? :umm:

[zenbooty]

The Amish smoke crack. :D

[ArkiStan]

damn, I come back a day later and everybody has said everything....well, I'll try my best to contribute.


Originally posted by johnnymk
[Hilary's daughter] rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her other mommy.


You don't find that kinky?? Any straight-minded heterosexual would.

[froggystyle]

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Originally posted by johnnymk
[Hilary's daughter] rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her other mommy.

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it seems to me that if you take that comment and slightly alter it like this:

[Hilary's daughter] rushes upstairs, opens the door to the bedroom and is startled to see her mommy doing bizarre things with her daddy.

It still seems a bit disturbing. For a little girl even normal sex is bizarre. I dont see how the fact that they are gay makes it worse. I would have been horrified if I walked in on my parrents getting it on



and as far as the aids thing... your equation is completely incorrect...see if you have 100 black gay men and 13% get aids that leaves 87 black gay men...but thats not true because in the mean time you still have more black gay men
reaching their 20s...say theres 13 and now your back up to 100.

Under your reasining there wouldnt be any smokers int he world they'd all be dead years ago..

take the percentage of people who convert out of christianity and by your methods that would leave no more christians.


your reasoning is flawed