SWORDFISH

[Burzhui]

Anyone saw it yet, i want some oppinions before i go to see it

[Black Francis]

It is good for a summer movie....not going to win any awards, but it is entertaining.

[Bires]

...but I can't tell you why. (don't want to spoil it) I can only say it has some twists and turns that reminded me of Fight Club for some reason(the movies are nothing alike).

Anyway, one of the best action movies I've seen in a while.

[Grimm]

I have to give Swordfish high marks. It was a fun movie to watch. A definate 'See in the theatre movie'.

Bires: It reminds you of Fight Club because they both start at the end. This is obvious 5 minutes into the movie so it shouldn't spoil anything.

[INeedAVacation]

only two good parts in the movie:

1) the way they started at the end of the story

2) the ending was thought provoking

as for the rest:

1) the story was alltogether unbelievable

2) ever see a computer screen function like the one in the movie? I haven't- appeared totally unrealistic

3) the ex-hacker was had not touched a computer in how long? but was some how able to break the code during his "test" in under 60 seconds when it takes others nearer an hour?

4) the ex-hacker was able to do the impossible in just a few days? (after not touching a computer in how long?)

5) what judge would grant custody of a little girl to her alcoholic dead beat mother and her pornography producing boyfriend who takes the pictures in his house Rather than custody to the little girls father who works hard and makes an honest (yet modest) living?

6) if there was a sex sceen in this movie it was either too short or way to uninteresting for me to remember it.

7) they had one shot where travolta was being chased in his car and he spun his car around and got out and shot at the other bad guys and blew up their car.-wow, that was really believable.

8) this movie was so dumb I am too bored with it to go on....just don't see it!

[Black Francis]

(Refering to DarkFury)

Yea! What he said!

[Grimm]

Well said DarkFury.

[chrissy]

I liked it.

I like the twists and I liked the story. I really liked Hugh Jackman. :D

[INeedAVacation]

you guys suck, the movie sucked. I can see why you like the movie.

lol

ever watch, "The Dukes of Hazard"? Its an example of something that can be exciting and pushing reality and physics without totally blowing them out of proportion....that is until they decide to use a fake general lee model to jump over houses and barns....then it sucked because that wasn't even plausible.

X-files is another good example.....hey...it COULD, MAYBE, KINDA, POSSIBLY happen....right? There MAY be aliens and all that cool stuff from that show.

Some people like a bunch of fighting and shooting and action even though there is no real "story" or "purpose". I don't. I like stuff that makes me think and use my own imagination.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is NO place for movies and shows without a plot, take porno videos for example...

[INeedAVacation]

cool, looks like I'm not the ONLY one who likes plot lines which make sense...


Originally posted by Leon
I just got back from the movie and I think about 10 million brain cells just disintegrated. I mean the location, set, camera work, SFX were all fine, but the plotline was ridiculous. I can't believe they messed up a Tomb Raider movie that badly. They just had to model it after Indiana Jones and they would have a hit, but nooooo...

Here's a deal for you Got|Apexers... Don't watch the movie and save yourself 8 bucks.

The only redeeming qualities were the nice cars and a pair of stainless HK USP Match pistols.

http://www.hkpro.com/uspmatchtarget.jpg

[INeedAVacation]

Originally posted by DarkFury


Don't blame us that we are amused by mindless action and suspense sometimes.

[Edited by DarkFury on 06-27-2001 at 09:01 PM] [/B]

First, Darkfurry, I am not "blame[ing]" anyone. Actually I agree with you, by liking this movie, you were "amused by mindless action.." That was exactly my point, thanks for helping me make it.

[INeedAVacation]

If you watched more movies that were well developed in the analitical department you may have actually had a chance of understanding my point of view and seeing that it is actually also YOUR point of view as well.-The movie lacks on realism, you liked that fact, I didn't.

The originator of this thread asked for our OPINIONS of this movie; I gave mine. Some of us are more easily entertained than others; my cat, for example, is entertained by a dangeling string, similiar to how you are entertained by big explosions, and other special effects. I, on the other hand, need more substance. Now, just 'cause your taste in movies doesn't agree with my tastes is no excuse for your rude remarks directed at me, personally. But I guess I can't blame you really, its not your fault your so unsophisticated, its probably the movies'.....

p.s. You missed your stop, get off here.



[Edited by INeedAVacation on 06-28-2001 at 05:21 PM]

[ArkiStan]

I guess I'll have to see it. I like movies that stir up controversy!! :D

(now be nice guys...just a hollywood movie here)

[ArkiStan]

c'mon, I know you guys are cooler than that!

Now the worst would be if the directors and producers of these "mind-numbing" movies found out that people were actually getting serious about them. Take 'em for what they are.

I think both of you have a point, but Vacation, I think you're taking the movie a little too seriously. Like Dark said you should try to agree on your different movie going preferences rather than attack each other according to them. hell, if you really want to make your point, the Tomb Raider thread seems like a more appropriate target.

:) Peace.

[INeedAVacation]

I agree with ucbstan.

Furry, wow,.....you have way too much time on your hands.....I'm done discussing this with you. Like Shania Twain says, "I've got better things to do like, wash my car in the rain. Or mow my grass just the same, as I did yesterday. Or replace my new guitar strings. Yeah, I've got better things to do..."

[chrissy]

Originally posted by INeedAVacation
I agree with ucbstan.

Furry, wow,.....you have way too much time on your hands.....I'm done discussing this with you. Like Shania Twain says, "I've got better things to do like, wash my car in the rain. Or mow my grass just the same, as I did yesterday. Or replace my new guitar strings. Yeah, I've got better things to do..."



umm.... not to stir this up, but Shania doesn't sing that song.


Terri Clark does.

But yeah, guys,agree to disagree and drop it.

[INeedAVacation]

Originally posted by DarkFury
Don't you just go on vacation already... begone!

Since you intentionally misspell my name out of disrespect (because I corrected you earlier in case that was accidental), I can assume that you really don't have any additional "adult conversation" for me anyway since you have to stoop to such a childish level (I bet you were WAY COOL back in grade school! Nanna nanna boo boo!!!).

If you don't care as much as to what I have to say... then you won't even bother to respond to this message (however, somehow I doubt that is going to happen)

So while you are on your vacation you better be careful... Your tour bus could get lifted up by a huge helicopter and slammed into the side of a building. It would be a tragedy for you to fall out of the back of the bus and trigger the "pinball" claymore bomb... KABOOM!!!! Now that would be a "thought provoking ending if I ever did hear of one.

That would be a shame... wouldn't it.







........ppppttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!

[INeedAVacation]

why I yaddda...

[Bires]

[ChrisMG187]

I liked it. Kinda short though.

[INeedAVacation]

nyuck nyuck nyuck

[ChrisMG187]

i have a feeling this is gonna turn into hapoo and nicemann part 2

[ArkiStan]

bom diggy diggy diggy - bom diggy bom!!

[Burzhui]

Ok anyways i saw it, totally unbelievable, 20 pounds of C4 would blow up so much more then what it did... halle berry's tities were great :)
The open sequence is worth the 9.25 that i paid for the ticket. Otherwise it was very good for kicks

[ChrisMG187]

9.25??? Jeez, I paid jack shit! Ahh, the joys of DivX.

[Burzhui]

divx shmivx i mean the opening seen requires a large screen

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by DarkFury

Originally Posted by Burzhui

halle berry's tities were great

Heh.. that was my original assessment. But for half a mil, they could have showed em again for a lil bit longer.

That's for sure, but they were real nice... you know what i take my divx shmivx thing back we can edit out that part and loop it :)

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by INeedAVacation
only two good parts in the movie:

1) the way they started at the end of the story

2) the ending was thought provoking

as for the rest:

1) the story was alltogether unbelievable

2) ever see a computer screen function like the one in the movie? I haven't- appeared totally unrealistic

3) the ex-hacker was had not touched a computer in how long? but was some how able to break the code during his "test" in under 60 seconds when it takes others nearer an hour?

4) the ex-hacker was able to do the impossible in just a few days? (after not touching a computer in how long?)

5) what judge would grant custody of a little girl to her alcoholic dead beat mother and her pornography producing boyfriend who takes the pictures in his house Rather than custody to the little girls father who works hard and makes an honest (yet modest) living?

6) if there was a sex sceen in this movie it was either too short or way to uninteresting for me to remember it.

7) they had one shot where travolta was being chased in his car and he spun his car around and got out and shot at the other bad guys and blew up their car.-wow, that was really believable.

8) this movie was so dumb I am too bored with it to go on....just don't see it!

You did watch the movie...right? Or did you walk out during the first 28 seconds? Do you remember John Travolta's opening rambling monologue? Let me refresh your memory (i'll quote the whole thing because it is so cool, but the first 5 or so lines is really all you need to show that INeedAVacation really does need what his name implies...or a swift kick the head).

[QUOTE]Originally stated by Gabriel

"You know what the problem with Hollywood is? They make shit, unbelievable unremarkable shit. Now, I'm not some grungy wannabe film maker that's searching for exastentialism through a haze of bong smoke or something. No, It's easy to pick apart bad acting, short-sighted directing, and the purely moronic stringing together of words that many of the studios term as Prose. No, I'm talking about the lack of realism, realism, not a pervasive element in today's modern American cinematic vision. (this is the 28 second mark in the movie, so I waited for him to repeat 3 times) Take Dog Day Afternoon for example, arguably Pacino's best work...short of Scarface and Godfather Part 1 , of course. A masterpiece of directing, easily Lamett's (sp?) best. The cinematography, the acting, the screenplay, all top notch, but...they didn't push the envelope. What if, in Dog Day, Sonny wanted to get away with it, really get away with it. What if, now this is the tricky part, what if they started executing hostages right away? No mercy, no quarter; 'meet our demands or the pretty blonde in the bell-bottoms gets it in the back of the head'...bam splat. What? Still no bus? Come on, how many innocent victims splattered across a window would it take to have the city reverse it's policy on hostage situations? And this is 1976; there's no CNN, no CNBC, there's no internet (oh dear god no!!). Now fast forward to today, present times, same situation. How quickly would the modern media make a frenzy over the story, and in a matter of hours it would be the bggest story from Boston to Budapest. Ten hostages die; 20; 30; relentless, bam bim, one after another, all caught in high def, computer enhanced, color corrected...you can practically taste the brain matter. All for what? a bus? a plane? a couple million dollars that is federally insured? I don't think so...but just a thought. I mean, it's not within the realm of conventional cinema, but...what the hell?

The movie was making fun of the lack of realism that it was going to introduce to your mind in a matter of minutess. Get a clue; they gave you enough...

ProMinx

edit: oops...forgot to include the / in one of my close itals commands.

[Edited by ProMinx on 07-03-2001 at 01:40 PM]

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by Burzhui

Originally posted by DarkFury

Originally Posted by Burzhui

halle berry's tities were great

Heh.. that was my original assessment. But for half a mil, they could have showed em again for a lil bit longer.

That's for sure, but they were real nice... you know what i take my divx shmivx thing back we can edit out that part and loop it :)


actually, i've seen that available on the internet already...oddly enough.

ProMinx

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by ProMinx

Originally posted by Burzhui

Originally posted by DarkFury

Originally Posted by Burzhui

halle berry's tities were great

Heh.. that was my original assessment. But for half a mil, they could have showed em again for a lil bit longer.

That's for sure, but they were real nice... you know what i take my divx shmivx thing back we can edit out that part and loop it :)


actually, i've seen that available on the internet already...oddly enough.

ProMinx

Yea i know i have already downloaded it :)

and by the way farkfury i think there is a script out there

[INeedAVacation]

Originally posted by ProMinx
[QUOTE]Originally posted by INeedAVacation
only two good parts in the movie:

1) the way they started at the end of the story

2) the ending was thought provoking

as for the rest:

1) the story was alltogether unbelievable

2) ever see a computer screen function like the one in the movie? I haven't- appeared totally unrealistic

3) the ex-hacker was had not touched a computer in how long? but was some how able to break the code during his "test" in under 60 seconds when it takes others nearer an hour?

4) the ex-hacker was able to do the impossible in just a few days? (after not touching a computer in how long?)

5) what judge would grant custody of a little girl to her alcoholic dead beat mother and her pornography producing boyfriend who takes the pictures in his house Rather than custody to the little girls father who works hard and makes an honest (yet modest) living?

6) if there was a sex sceen in this movie it was either too short or way to uninteresting for me to remember it.

7) they had one shot where travolta was being chased in his car and he spun his car around and got out and shot at the other bad guys and blew up their car.-wow, that was really believable.

8) this movie was so dumb I am too bored with it to go on....just don't see it!

You did watch the movie...right? Or did you walk out during the first 28 seconds? Do you remember John Travolta's opening rambling monologue? Let me refresh your memory (i'll quote the whole thing because it is so cool, but the first 5 or so lines is really all you need to show that INeedAVacation really does need what his name implies...or a swift kick the head).


Originally stated by Gabriel

"You know what the problem with Hollywood is? They make shit, unbelievable unremarkable shit. Now, I'm not some grungy wannabe film maker that's searching for exastentialism through a haze of bong smoke or something. No, It's easy to pick apart bad acting, short-sighted directing, and the purely moronic stringing together of words that many of the studios term as Prose. No, I'm talking about the lack of realism, realism, not a pervasive element in today's modern American cinematic vision. (this is the 28 second mark in the movie, so I waited for him to repeat 3 times) Take Dog Day Afternoon for example, arguably Pacino's best work...short of Scarface and Godfather Part 1 , of course. A masterpiece of directing, easily Lamett's (sp?) best. The cinematography, the acting, the screenplay, all top notch, but...they didn't push the envelope. What if, in Dog Day, Sonny wanted to get away with it, really get away with it. What if, now this is the tricky part, what if they started executing hostages right away? No mercy, no quarter; 'meet our demands or the pretty blonde in the bell-bottoms gets it in the back of the head'...bam splat. What? Still no bus? Come on, how many innocent victims splattered across a window would it take to have the city reverse it's policy on hostage situations? And this is 1976; there's no CNN, no CNBC, there's no internet (oh dear god no!!). Now fast forward to today, present times, same situation. How quickly would the modern media make a frenzy over the story, and in a matter of hours it would be the bggest story from Boston to Budapest. Ten hostages die; 20; 30; relentless, bam bim, one after another, all caught in high def, computer enhanced, color corrected...you can practically taste the brain matter. All for what? a bus? a plane? a couple million dollars that is federally insured? I don't think so...but just a thought. I mean, it's not within the realm of conventional cinema, but...what the hell?

The movie was making fun of the lack of realism that it was going to introduce to your mind in a matter of minutess. Get a clue; they gave you enough...

ProMinx

edit: oops...forgot to include the / in one of my close itals commands.

[Edited by ProMinx on 07-03-2001 at 01:40 PM]

You flatly stat that you believe I did not notice any "clue(s)" that the movie was going to have a, "lack of realism".
How did you come to that (wrong) conclusion? I have written my opinion about the movie and explained that part of the reason this is not a quality movie is because of its lack of reality. Whether early in the movie it stated that the movie would have a lack of realism is really besides the point. - Lets test this theory:

Lets assume (for this example) that you are stupid.
Now, if you TELL me in the first 5 minutes of meeting you that you are stupid does that make you no longer stupid?-No.

It may have been alluded to in the movie that the movie was not going to be realistic. It wasn't realistic. For that reason, and many others, I don't like the movie

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by INeedAVacation
I agree with ucbstan.

Furry, wow,.....you have way too much time on your hands.....I'm done discussing this with you. Like Shania Twain says, "I've got better things to do like, wash my car in the rain. Or mow my grass just the same, as I did yesterday. Or replace my new guitar strings. Yeah, I've got better things to do..."



ahem...liar

and your logic is horrible in your last post. If someone warns you there they're stupid in the first 28 seconds (not 5 minutes) of a conversation that they are stupid, of course they are still stupid; however, this in no way parallels to my points. I didn't say that the movie was unrealistic at any time, in fact I clearly stated that it was unrealistic. I am just directing your attention toward the entire point behind the movie, and once you see that...your supposedly superior discerning capablities should carry you through the rest of the logic. Reject.

ProMinx

ps - Darkfury (no furry), I have the movie...and for your information, that Halle Berry scene you like so much is 38 minutes and 27 seconds into the movie...for whenever you do get the movie, you'll know exactly where to go. Personally I prefer the chick that sucked Stan off while he had his test...but that tequila thing was rather weird.

[ProMinx]

Oh yes, and I did not " flatly stat that you believe I did not notice any 'clue(s)' that the movie was going to have a, 'lack of realism'." Putting a quote at the beginning and end of a statement does not make it something produced by my fingers. By that logic, you just said: "I" (INeedAVacation) am a total fuck-up and "stupid". You're really horrible at this quoting and comparing thing. Aren't you? Considering my doubts regarding your intelligence, you can be sure that I doubt your superior discerning tastes.

ProMinx

[CluelessSi]

I liked the movie but not as much as Usual Suspects. They actually seem the same to me in some aspects but usual suspects was better.

As for the realism. Most movies are not real per say or else they will not be in the movies. but they do stretch your mind and maybe it is possible for some things to happen. It is very intresting how the "bad" guy kinda wins. The unreal parts are the reason me and some of my friends got a bit confused but overall worth seeeing at least once. Movies like Tomb raider are not real and are not meant to be cause it is based on a video game which in itself is not real and part of someone's imagination.

Final Fantsy is not going to be real, heck does not even have real people in it but I would still love to see it. The story will proly be captivating and the drama and suspense should be good. although nothing about it is real. there are many things in reality that doesn't seem real either..... well I personally prefer more "real" movies also but things like the Matrix is just so cool and how it can happen and how it stretchs your mind to think.

In many was X-files is just as unreal as sowrdfish but in many ways they both can happen. We don't know enough about our world to say what is real and what is not, it is all the imagination of the movie's creator.

I repect your view on this movie as being not what you like but don't say (reffering to your point in your post) that this is a mindless movie... the person who made it had a mind.. just not the same as yours...

[INeedAVacation]

Ok, that's it. I have my opinion of the movie and you have yours. Like I did with DarkFury (furry, as I like to call him), I have attempted to entertain your curiousity as to how anyone could possibly have a different opinon other than yours but having failed to enlighten you to the facts...well, I don't really care what you think about me or the movie so go try to insult someone else, I'm busy.

[CluelessSi]

did not try to insult you, as stated I respect your opinion, I completely agree on the ex-hacker thing - actually thought that myself.

[ProMinx]

Hey, IAmVacuous you did insult everyone else long before anyone struck back. No one made any comment about the other movie-goers until you did...and you know what? no one else did at all. You made this personal by attacking the supposedly simple minds of those who liked the movie. Get off your pedestal and realize that you're to blame for the argument. Yes, your opinion and everyone else's do not properly align...but I don't care. That's not the point. The point is that you should just stop trying to make yourself appear to be superior (you've failed) and just realize that you did start the personal attacks.

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