This is sick how could a mother do this?

[bella]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/06/21/children.killed/index.html

[johnnymk]

And her husband was making excuses for her. They are both sick!

[OC]

Makes me wonder how her husband could stand by her after what she did. I supposed he could have some sympahy for her AFTER the mourning process, but so soon? I think he has mental problems too.

Oh, anyone else notice that her kids all had names from the Bible? Noah, John, Paul, Luke, and Mary. Given what she did, that freaks me out a bit.

-OC

[topane]

Another good example of people needing licenses to reproduce...

[chrissy]

It's so sad.

Could you imagine being one of the children? You would think they knew what was going on, the older ones at least...

I guess it is something we will never understand.

[Speedfreak]

What a crazy ass bitch. :disa:

[eSDee]

The husband really should have kept quiet to the media. I agree with you all that he is probably messed up too, but I think that he probably is so shocked by the whole thing that he has to defend her. I bet you he will be changing his tune when it all sinks in though.

Something interesting a friend told me the other day was that he went with his class to a state prison a couple of months ago. They are criminal justice students so they got to talk to a bunch of the inmates, including some high profile criminal who did a double homicide. He was telling them that the worst thing about prison was thinking about what you had done, each and every day for the rest of your life.

That's gotta suck. If it is the case, then this lady is going to be hating life I think.

[mojo]

i think she's gone. she isn't going to "regular" peoples' prison.

[cruelpupet]

Originally posted by chosenfool
what is more horrific to think is how she could be so cold-blooded in drowning EACH CHILD. that's ONE child after another!!! after the first one, or even two (!!!) you'd start to think and get a disturbed conscience for what youre doing, but 5?!?! that's 5 counts, 5 DIFFERENT TIMES of killing a small, helpless, TRUSTING, innocent child!

she ranks among the lowliest scums and monsters, alongside timothy mcveigh. she's not sick, she's evil.


are you sure she killed each one that way...i only skimmed through the article....and i remember it saying one was in the tub the rest were in a bed covered with a sheet...i dont think it ever said she killed each one by drowning them

[johnnymk]

If the media ends up making excuses for her (postpartum depression, crappy marriage, and whatever else they may invent), then they are just as sick as her.

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by cruelpupet

Originally posted by chosenfool
what is more horrific to think is how she could be so cold-blooded in drowning EACH CHILD. that's ONE child after another!!! after the first one, or even two (!!!) you'd start to think and get a disturbed conscience for what youre doing, but 5?!?! that's 5 counts, 5 DIFFERENT TIMES of killing a small, helpless, TRUSTING, innocent child!

she ranks among the lowliest scums and monsters, alongside timothy mcveigh. she's not sick, she's evil.


are you sure she killed each one that way...i only skimmed through the article....and i remember it saying one was in the tub the rest were in a bed covered with a sheet...i dont think it ever said she killed each one by drowning them

she drowned them in the tub, then laid them out on the bed and called police. So she new what she did was wrong, but for some reason couldn't stop herself.

[fabfore1]

She attempted suicide before, why didn't she just try again? I don't understand why the husband is standing behind her either, they're both sick, sick, sick.

[quote]"It's just too bad a woman rational enough to call police and her husband after killing her children couldn't have called someone before who could have stopped her," he told the Houston Chronicle. [quote]

[jase71]

Originally posted by johnnymk
If the media ends up making excuses for her (postpartum depression, crappy marriage, and whatever else they may invent), then they are just as sick as her.

I don't think the media is making excuses for her...

I think they're trying to figure out WHY she would do something like this. They gave possible explanations.

I'd sure as hell be curious what would motivate someone to commit such a disturbing crime.

If you can figure out WHY things like this happen, you've got at least a small tool towards preventing it from happening again.

[chrissy]

Originally posted by LPM

Originally posted by cruelpupet

Originally posted by chosenfool
what is more horrific to think is how she could be so cold-blooded in drowning EACH CHILD. that's ONE child after another!!! after the first one, or even two (!!!) you'd start to think and get a disturbed conscience for what youre doing, but 5?!?! that's 5 counts, 5 DIFFERENT TIMES of killing a small, helpless, TRUSTING, innocent child!

she ranks among the lowliest scums and monsters, alongside timothy mcveigh. she's not sick, she's evil.


are you sure she killed each one that way...i only skimmed through the article....and i remember it saying one was in the tub the rest were in a bed covered with a sheet...i dont think it ever said she killed each one by drowning them

she drowned them in the tub, then laid them out on the bed and called police. So she new what she did was wrong, but for some reason couldn't stop herself.

OMG! They are now reporting that she had to chase her oldest because he realized that he was the last one!
OMG!

I know there is a bunch of diff beliefs on this board, but pray for the children.

[Edited by crabbie on 06-22-2001 at 10:36 AM]

[jase71]

Originally posted by crabbie
...but prey for the children.

Ok, bad taste humor here... but she DID "prey" for
the children.

Now we need to "pray" for the children.

Sorry to pick on your spelling, crabbie!

[bella]

Originally posted by johnnymk
If the media ends up making excuses for her (postpartum depression, crappy marriage, and whatever else they may invent), then they are just as sick as her.

I know they will. She should of known, that if she couldn't handle the first one then WHY four more? Her husband should of slapped on a jimmy knowing she was wacked!

[zenbooty]

She was on medication for postpartem depression at the time. I don't want to make excuses for her, but the fact that she told police immediately, and her husband defended her tells me that this situation is probably beyond the comprehension of myself or anyone else not in their position. I'm not ready to gas her just yet Maybe she really is mentally disturbed and needs to be hospitalized, maybe permanently.

[mojo]

in other news, postpartem depression rarely leads to violent acts upon others. perhaps the depression was a symptom of something else.

it also looks like she drowned noah next to an already drowned mary. not that he would want to drown by himself...but that just may be a tad more gruesome.

[chrissy]

Originally posted by jase71

Originally posted by crabbie
...but prey for the children.

Ok, bad taste humor here... but she DID "prey" for
the children.

Now we need to "pray" for the children.

Sorry to pick on your spelling, crabbie!

:p

thanks for picking up on it though

[AWM]

Appauled,fucking disgusted, angry. . . .It makes my stomach turn thinking about this woman. Be prepared as more details are released. She's far worse than that lying murdering bitch Susan Smith.

It'd almost be worth gathering up a "kids justice"lynch mob and hunting this lady. Hope I didn't break the law saying that, but i'll puke watching her in court pleading not guilty by reason of insanity, and watching her husband defend her. Lawyers squirming and twisting.
Some justice system. She admitted it, let's kill her, case closed. I'll feel better, there can be no doubt.

Now as it turns out her husband AND her family show up at the jail supporting her. Time to turn your backs on a monster and let her swing into some mob justice.
Oh, sweet sweet mob justice

[theorangeone]

i heard on the radio today that they were doing a normal physical on her when she was admitted into jail and they discovered that shes pregnant again. i hope they were wrong. i really do.

[Jenny]

Surely even if she is, she won't be able to KEEP the baby! OMG! I haven't been this appalled in a long time. :(

[coleslaw]

The first successfully defended case of post-partum depression occurred in my home town a few years ago. See if anyone can figure that one out... :D

[welfareloser]

post-partum depression affects about 80% of new mothers, in varying degrees of severity. this woman had post-partum psychosis, a much more serious problem (obviously.)

she was depressed, and thought that she was doing her poor kids a favor - she thought that she was such a terrible mother that she had screwed them up so badly that the best thing to do was to spare them from life. she had had mental problems before, including depression, and this bout of post-partum hormonal wackiness sent her over the edge.

she had been on lithium, and her doctor had just taken her off it weeks before (bad idea in retrospect.)

for a very good in-depth story, look at this week's issue of newsweek. she is very, very, very crazy.

i think you could make the argument that susan smith was a bitch, but i just don't see where that is appropriate name-calling in this case. she was on another damned planet and listening to the voices in her head.

i take care of one kid who never even had colic, and though i never thought of hurting him, i sure as hell thought about abandoning him and running away. add in 4 more kids under the age of seven - and she was HOMESCHOOLING all of them, so she never had even a moment's peace - and severe mental problems, and shit could go wrong really fast.

i am not trying to excuse it, but explaining may help to prevent similar cases in the future. post-partum depression is common and very difficult to talk about. you are damned well supposed to be happy, and if you tell people that your kids make you want to pound your head against a brick wall until you are unconscious, people think you are a bitch, so you keep your mouth shut and you don't get the help you need. thank god this is changing now, unfortunately only after kids died.

and i don't judge the husband for still loving her. by all accounts, she was a wonderful mother who loved her children very much. her brain is broken, and there were horrible consequences. her husband is not obligated to stop loving her just because you are horrified. i am sure he is horrified, too. it doesn't mean he loved his kids any less just because he still loves his wife.

[Loosah]

This is one of the most f'ed up stories I have read in a while. They had a fairly decent article on it in Newsweek this week and it just made me so sick to read it.

They are saying that she not only suffered from post partum depression but also psychosis. She was on 2 very powerful antidepressants and also WAS on an anti-psychotic medication which her doctors had just recently taken her off of. She had also recently attempted suicide. WHY was this woman left alone with her kids? Psychotics hear voices, voices that sometimes command them to do horrific things. She was clearly unstable and had a very detailed history of profound depression after childbirth yet neither her or her husband had the brains to stop pumping out kids.

I am not making excuses for this woman at all, she should fry for what she did. But you have to wonder about the effect of the medications on her state of mind. General practitioners often hand out psychiatric medications without proper follow up, she was on 2 that really should not even have been mixed. If you go back and look at ALL of the recent school shootings in the US every one of those kids was on an anti-depressant medication. Again, there is no valid excuse in my opinion for this kind of act. But that does not mean a lawyer is not going to try to find one.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Loosah
This is one of the most f'ed up stories I have read in a while. They had a fairly decent article on it in Newsweek this week and it just made me so sick to read it.

They are saying that she not only suffered from post partum depression but also psychosis. She was on 2 very powerful antidepressants and also WAS on an anti-psychotic medication which her doctors had just recently taken her off of. She had also recently attempted suicide. WHY was this woman left alone with her kids? Psychotics hear voices, voices that sometimes command them to do horrific things. She was clearly unstable and had a very detailed history of profound depression after childbirth yet neither her or her husband had the brains to stop pumping out kids.

I am not making excuses for this woman at all, she should fry for what she did. But you have to wonder about the effect of the medications on her state of mind. General practitioners often hand out psychiatric medications without proper follow up, she was on 2 that really should not even have been mixed. If you go back and look at ALL of the recent school shootings in the US every one of those kids was on an anti-depressant medication. Again, there is no valid excuse in my opinion for this kind of act. But that does not mean a lawyer is not going to try to find one.

i do agree that this woman never should have been left alone in charge of her kids - not after suicide attempts and serious psychotic drugs. what were they thinking?!?!?!? hindsight is 20/20....

i think she would probably like to fry. sitting in jail remembering her kids would be a much worse punishment, especially since NOW they will probably get her medication properly adjusted and she will, in a more normal frame of mind, realize what she did.

the best sentence would be community service - make her do a hell of a lot of public speaking for the rest of her life, speaking to doctors and counsellors and psychiatrists and social workers, so they know what to look for, and talking to mothers, so they know everyone feels a little nuts sometimes, and its okay, but when it happens, YOU MUST GIVE YOUR KIDS TO SOMEONE ELSE AND GO TAKE A NAP and then make an appointment with a doctor so something like this doesn't wind up happening to you.

she and her husband were very religious, and their kids mostly made them very happy; they obviously just couldn't see that having more could have been a mistake.

[froggystyle]

I wonder how her family-knowing her condition- could support her having five kids...I mean according to the articles I read, she suffered this depression after having each kid, and each time it got worse. Yet somehow she manges to have five kids wile on anti depressants and psychosis drugs. In my oppinion this is a case of neglegence and bad judgement outside of just plain psychosis. How could her shrink allow her to care after 5 children in her condition. How could her husband leave her alone with five kids to fend for herself. He doesnt sound like such a great guy to me ill tell you that much. The articles I read said he was the modle american man and a modle father yet he leaves his severely depressed and psychotic wife to care for five kids all by herself day after day...and on top of that to care after her alsheimer ridden father as well. Thats just asking for it. Im not psychotic or depressed and I know id flip if i had to take care of five kids and a dying man. i wouldnt kill my kids but I know i would freak out pretty bad. Not that any of this justifys what happened, but I think it could have been prevented with comon logic.

[froggystyle]

Hey welfarelser.... do you think that maybe this is a sign that anti depressants really dont do much but cover the wound.

I mean what people dont understand is that what antidepressants are really ment to do is to make you feel a little more normal until you heal your problems. Then the drugs go and your all better. I see all the time that people just keep taking meds and do nothing to get better. they think the meds are the solution when in fact they are just a temporary fix.

I think psychotherapy needs a serious overhaul if doctors cant find ways to help their patients get better and just resort to drugs as an easy answer

[chrissy]

My ex mother-in-law suffered from mental issues. And from what I understand from other family memebers, everytime she had a child, it would get worse for a while, then she would be better. She was unable to care for the boys and Grandma Holmes took care of them most of the time with help from the boy's aunt. This was on going, even today she has issues. The boys and their father shrug it all of "It's just mom" they say. Even after she would call and go off on them or a wife. She was sick prior to having the kids but not as bad as after. I see a lot of similarities between the two women. And it's sad.

Pop was told not to have anymore children after the oldest, Joesph, was still born. She had 3 more. There is a lot of people you can blame in situations like this.

I think, honestly, the family (not the kids) failed and I think the doctors failed her. I would hope that my husband would love me enough to see that this was hurting me and would go against any beliefs (if there was any) about BC and get me on it if I was unable to make that decision. I would hope he would say a pvt. tudor might be better than me dealing with the children 24/7 if we didn't want them in a public school. I would hope that the doctors would agree in a situtation like this that they would have in patient therapy. Where the kids can come and the husband could come whenever they wanted, but the meds could be controlled and the mental help was given.

Dunno...

[bella]

That is all I can say.. and I HOPE she is NOT prego again!