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07-12-2001, 10:59 AM
How is it possible for a pro-life person to support stem cell research? Aren't they both murder based on the life begins at conception idea?
William Saletan has a great essay illuminating the contradictions here (http://slate.msn.com/framegame/entries/01-07-11_111855.asp)
Anyone following this issue? I am quite closely, because it has the potential to blow up in the Republicans' faces.
07-12-2001, 11:16 AM
Well I'm pro-choice but I'm going to add my 2 cents anyway - just because I'm like that!
Very interesting read fakesurfers. I must admit I hadnt been following this issue but find it fascinating. Personally I dont see how abortion would ever be right for me but I've never (thankfully) been in a position where I'd need to make that choice so - I wont knock anyone for making decisions when their facts are different from mine (ie-rape victims, illness, whatever).
With my view in mind, I think that stem cell research is a wonderful idea! My grandmother had a brain stem seizure ( i think thats what it was called ) maybe 25 years ago. Before that, she raised 3 daughters while my grandfather worked, opened, completely operated and managed a restaurant (small italian grinder shop - but they served my grandfathers homemade wine - WOOHOO!) and took care of her sick, blind, diabetes ridden mother. After this "seizure" that she had she was no longer the same person. She could no longer take care of her children (which at that time were grown adults anyway but still), lost the restaurant because she could no longer cook - all the recipes were in her head and after the incident she couldnt remember a thing, sometimes not even MY name.
It seems to me that any research we can do using "live/real/active/whatever you want to call it" organs or tissue from humans to help others is good as long as we're not going out and hurting or killling for this sole purpose. For instance, if a woman decides to have an abortion then why not turn that into a positive thing? Why not use the life (if thats what you believe it is) as a positive influence instead of just letting it die?
07-12-2001, 11:17 AM
I'm pro-life...and not completely republican...
what that dude is saying doesn't make sense. I feel life begins at conception.
this dude's saying that life begins in the mother's womb. That means that a test tube baby would never be considered alive...hence one could murder any test tube baby - that becomes 'alive' and it wouldn't be killing something that's life.
That's another thing about pro-choice...
when does the test tube baby's life begin?
when does any child's life begin?
is partial birth abortions 'legal' or 'moral'?
or does life begin after 9 months?
or does life begin when the baby is totally out of the mothers womb?
i dunno...pro-life is simpler =P
07-12-2001, 11:24 AM
I'm loosely following it, but I have a vested interest in that I have diabetes and could certainly stand to benefit from research done through this.
I read your article, and the guy brings interesting points, but they're points that I don't agree with. I don't think that an egg and sperm mingling in a dish represents anything close to life. If they were implanted, like he says, would I? A few months down the road.. yeah, I would. I personally just don't consider the potential for life to be life itself. I think life comes from some sort of consciousness, and that's only achieved later in the process.
The benefits from this type of research are very promising. Can you imagine what life would be like without cancer, diabetes and other silly genetic diseases? It's possible that things could get even worse; that diseases like these help keep populations in check. But I personally would like to reach that point and find out, rather than wonder about it.
I heard a pretty sobering analogy for cancer deaths once. It went something like, the amount of deaths occurring from cancer is equivalent to a bunch of 777's falling from the sky each day. That seems worth fixing.
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