Audible might be going under... maybe a good time to take their deal

[TheLoneGunman]

The basic deal is that you get a free Rio (you pay some S&H) when you agree to buy a couple of audio books a month for a year. They send the Rio at the start and bill you month to month as you go.

Obviously if they are outta bizness they can't enforce the year contract.

Monday, the CEO and 40% of the workforce "decided to pursue other opportunies" [I suppose like sleeping late and walking around in their underwear mumbling "Damn Audible!"]

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010723/n23370885_2.html

The same day, the ambulance chasers noticed the siren and lights and filed a class action suit against them:
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/010723/02029753.html

[brainsmile]

hmmm

[GC]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
The basic deal is that you get a free Rio (you pay some S&H) when you agree to buy a couple of audio books a month for a year. They send the Rio at the start and bill you month to month as you go.

Obviously if they are outta bizness they can't enforce the year contract.

Monday, the CEO and 40% of the workforce "decided to pursue other opportunies" [I suppose like sleeping late and walking around in their underwear mumbling "Damn Audible!"]

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010723/n23370885_2.html

The same day, the ambulance chasers noticed the siren and lights and filed a class action suit against them:
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/010723/02029753.html

I was part of a closed beta test for those guys when they were using their in-house audiobook program.. I was promised a Rio for doing it. I got nothing.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by GC

I was part of a closed beta test for those guys when they were using their in-house audiobook program.. I was promised a Rio for doing it. I got nothing.

Actually you did get something....

The Shaft! :) :heh: :)

[Paladin]

Does anyone think this will work? Since I am under 18 can I do this and give them the Shaft? And not buy ****?

[Luxykin007]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman

Originally posted by GC

I was part of a closed beta test for those guys when they were using their in-house audiobook program.. I was promised a Rio for doing it. I got nothing.

Actually you did get something....

The Shaft! :) :heh: :)


LOL LOL!!!

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Paladin
Does anyone think this will work? Since I am under 18 can I do this and give them the Shaft? And not buy ****?

Congratulations.

You have just discussed committing the crimes of wire and mail fraud.

You have just won an attractive pair of silver bracelets, a date with a Federal judge, and 3-5 years in a Federal youth facility.

Sorry, but deliberately entering into a contract knowing it isn't valid and still taking money/merchandise from the other party is illegal.

[dag16]

Not to sound too stupid,
but what deal is this?
I haven't heard of Audible...

[ken]

Actually Lone Gunman, its the law.

If you're a minor, deliberately entering into a contract knowing it isn't valid and still taking money/merchandise from the other party is completely legal.

Ethical, no.

You have to return the merchandise upon request though, in whatever condition it may be (broken is fine).

[calng]

What if we all jump on this deal, and a company takes over Audibles? Like with the TCI @ Home. AT&T takes over TCI @Home renaming it to AT&T @ Home. The contract would still be enforced but only by another company. It is only if they go out of business and closed their doors that the contract will be invalid. If some other company buys Audibles, then we are still under contract.

[GC]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman

Originally posted by GC

I was part of a closed beta test for those guys when they were using their in-house audiobook program.. I was promised a Rio for doing it. I got nothing.

Actually you did get something....

The Shaft! :) :heh: :)

Blah blah shaft this. :heh:

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by ken
Actually Lone Gunman, its the law.

If you're a minor, deliberately entering into a contract knowing it isn't valid and still taking money/merchandise from the other party is completely legal.

Ethical, no.

You have to return the merchandise upon request though, in whatever condition it may be (broken is fine).


This is getting off-topic, but I have seen arguments like this before.

What "law" are you referring to?

Posession of goods or receipt of services that you have not paid for is theft.

If I followed your logic, then any minor could simply go to the gas station, fill up and then drive away without paying. After all, some stations (those that aren't "pay first") are entering into a contract with you -- you get gas, they get cash.

You should ask Passwird about his PayPal experience if you think businesses take the "I'm a minor and you can't do anything" argument and just give up.

If you can point to specific legal code that applies to the situation you described then I would look into it and apologize if necessary. At present, I have never been able to find a legal basis for it.

[Captain Clueless]

Microsoft, one of the book publishers (Random House?), and Amazon all have large investments in Audible. Microsoft's Pocket PC ships with the ability to play Audible files, and those things are selling well.

IMHO, if Audible stock sinks further, Microsoft or somebody else will buy them for relative pocket change.

The cuts Audible announced were probably partly to goose the stock price. Or to slim down to become more attractive to purchasers.

I think the Audible deals are great -- for $12.95/month, you can download $50 or more of audiobooks, plus you get the cheap/low-price goody they offer to sign up for a year. But I expect that anyone who takes the deal will really be on the hook for 12 months x $12.95.

[spigidygak]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman

Originally posted by ken
Actually Lone Gunman, its the law.

If you're a minor, deliberately entering into a contract knowing it isn't valid and still taking money/merchandise from the other party is completely legal.

Ethical, no.

You have to return the merchandise upon request though, in whatever condition it may be (broken is fine).


This is getting off-topic, but I have seen arguments like this before.

What "law" are you referring to?

Posession of goods or receipt of services that you have not paid for is theft.

If I followed your logic, then any minor could simply go to the gas station, fill up and then drive away without paying. After all, some stations (those that aren't "pay first") are entering into a contract with you -- you get gas, they get cash.

You should ask Passwird about his PayPal experience if you think businesses take the "I'm a minor and you can't do anything" argument and just give up.

If you can point to specific legal code that applies to the situation you described then I would look into it and apologize if necessary. At present, I have never been able to find a legal basis for it.

The thing is as long as the minor does not purchase anything that is an essential item such as food, clothing or shelter, it can and must be returned by law. Some states allow the damages to be compensated, but some require a full refund. This is under the condition the minor returns the product as long as they are a minor still. If she purhcases something under 18 and tries to return it after 18 it cannot be accpeted back, but as long as the minor is still a minor, the merchant must accept the return.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by spigidygak
The thing is as long as the minor does not purchase anything that is an essential item such as food, clothing or shelter, it can and must be returned by law. Some states allow the damages to be compensated, but some require a full refund. This is under the condition the minor returns the product as long as they are a minor still. If she purhcases something under 18 and tries to return it after 18 it cannot be accpeted back, but as long as the minor is still a minor, the merchant must accept the return.

Which "law" is this??
I am worried that someone might actually try something based on this statement and then they can get into serious trouble.
If you can show where this law exists, I can investigate. Until then, this is just an "urban rumour" (nothing personal against you)

[Paladin]

Ahh TLG I gave Ebay that BS and I still owe them $20 something. They have stopped Emailing me and everything it's great. I also used me being under 18 to get a free CD from whatever it was "I am a Minor and I never signed anything so stop harrasing me" The left me alone and I never heard from them again. The "I'm under 18" Thing works quite well actually. What are they gonna do? Arrest me? Screw it they can have their Rio, but I would have been worth a shot.:P

[TheLoneGunman]

Paladin, I told several debt collectors to bite me/blow me/kiss off and basically they did. Never heard anything from them again and not on my credit report.

I never claimed to be under 18 (I'm not) or that I didn't owe it (I did).

None of that makes it legal. It's just they figured it wasn't worth the effort to continue collecting.

If you do it, they CAN file criminal charges and/or a civil suit. You can't use "selective prosecution" as a defense and you will go down.

Plenty of my clients keep complaining all the way to prison that they weren't the only ones and why didn't they go after all the other guys doing the same or worse things.

[Bukidog]

LoneGunman...

we all know your a "Liar" excuse me lawyer...

enough with the Tear Drop producing Commentaries...
if we did things your way...we'd be leave it to beaver..

I like most of your posts...but the Legal Disclaimers...they gotta go homey..!!

Buki-dog

[GlassHopper]

STOP !!!

The title of this forum is "GOT DEALS" --- not "GOT RIP-OFF'S".

It is my understanding that the whole purpose of this forum is to help each other find the lowest cost possible on various items by advising each other on the lowest price offered by a web/B&B merchant, available discount/promotional codes, gift certificates, price-matches, merchant/manufacturer rebates, etc. All of the foregoing are legitimate ways of getting a lower cost "Deal", with the more of these options that can be combined/stacked together, the better the "Deal".

Discussions on how to use legal "loop-holes" to rip people and/or merchants off (steal) does dis-service to the whole intent of legitimate "deal-making", and is at minimum immoral and unethical.

People who are looking to do "rip-offs" probably should be working for Joel and his cronies at "Cyber-Ripoff".

[Grimm]

Here-Here! Well said GlassHopper. We should not be discussing this kind of thing here. It's not right.



Let's talk about it in the Off Topic Forum.

[cratervalley]

I don't know how the company can peddle monthly commitment accounts when you can use a reusable coupon code to get any audible book for $1.95. I reposted the discount link in the "Referrals Thread".

[Captain Clueless]

"Reusable"? I doubt it. When I clicked it, I got...

"We're sorry - you do not qualify for this offer.

You must be a first time registrant at audible.com to qualify. Please visit us at http://www.audible.com to continue."

Sounds to me like IF you use that link, the very first audiobook you purchase is $1.99. Which isn't bad, but one book gets old after a while. :)

[leemaj]

knowing microsoft, they will probably buy audible out just before its about to die, and rename it microsoft e-books inc or something

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Bukidog
LoneGunman...

we all know your a "Liar" excuse me lawyer...

enough with the Tear Drop producing Commentaries...
if we did things your way...we'd be leave it to beaver..

I like most of your posts...but the Legal Disclaimers...they gotta go homey..!!

Buki-dog



he's just trying to help. the yelling at people who are trying to do the right thing has got to go, doofus.