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05-31-2000, 04:13 PM
Well, I think I'm up about $200, usually cashing out at around $30-50. How is everyone else doing? I didn't like Geisha-I won $22 and they wouldn't send a check unless I had $40-50 in winnings. THe ones who use Pro-Cyber services seem to be the best.
Does anyone know how to register as a diff person? If my friend wanted to try it, how do I erase/get rid of my username? I tried uninstalling, it didn't work.
05-31-2000, 04:49 PM
looks like the end for me..i think i've completely exhausted all the sites on www.free-casinos.com (http://www.free-casinos.com) .. Im still waiting for some checks to come..hopefully they aren't like rebate checks and get here next year..
05-31-2000, 09:51 PM
i dont think you CAN register from the same computer under a different name; ive tried too. If you use a different computer the same person could probably sign up again....may need an alternate address though.
05-31-2000, 09:52 PM
...oh yeah, by the way, im up about $252!!! coool
06-01-2000, 03:02 AM
the info is probably stored in the registry.. you'll probably have to delete a few keys and then you can install again.. make sure you know what you are doing before you mess with your registry..
06-01-2000, 03:18 AM
my last post wasn't too specific.. here are some places to look for in the registry..
(you'll find riverbelle and luckynugget in there)
06-01-2000, 03:39 AM
humm anyone got that to work. I was able to delete the key and then reinstall. It will bring it up so I can register online but it will say we are unable to register you online please call customer service. That was before I was even able to type any information. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/confused.gif
06-01-2000, 03:43 AM
I've been unable to win http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif keep on loosing http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif
06-01-2000, 03:55 AM
nicemann: i'll try it out in about an hour.. got a presentation to do in class http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-01-2000, 04:00 AM
How come some of the casinos require Social Security numbers? Is there anyway to give them a different number or something? Is it safe to give them Social Security numbers?
06-01-2000, 04:53 AM
I noticed that, and I also noticed that for some places it is optional. You know, in the beginning I was so skeptical and unbelieving about this all I would "accidentally" make a "typo" in my social sec #. That way if someone came calling I'd have a legitimate excuse. Then I just started typing in my school ID#, because you'll notice some places say "ss/id." What can they do? I am sure there are enough "not-so-bright" people who "accidentally" do that! If they ask me, which I don't think they will, I'll just tell them--"oops." =)
06-01-2000, 05:23 AM
yup I have seen the SSN thing alot too..I really don't think u have to worry about it. I just put my birthdate. My guess is that they use it for security purposes. I wouldn't have to put my real ssn in anyway. so far no problems with accounts..
I won over 300 from River Belle last night playing BlackJack, not bad considering the free 25 they start you with.
06-01-2000, 11:04 AM
You can make new accounts and get free money every time, but unfortunately, i found out that you have to use a different PC each time. Luckily for me, we have three PC's at home. hehe. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/wink.gif
when you used a new computer to play for the second time did you use diff personal information so they dont see youre the same person? or does it not matter?
06-01-2000, 02:20 PM
I've tried that. I've un-installed the program and then re-installed it, and it won't let you even make a new account because somehow, they're storing your information on your pc. It sucks. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif
06-01-2000, 04:09 PM
ok i tried it out too.. damn doesn't work.. it says the casino won't let me register online.. perhaps it stores the computer name somewhere? i dunno.. anyone have an idea?
06-01-2000, 04:29 PM
I know I am on a static IP...I wonder if thats what it is. Maybe they track IP too...what are you using?
06-01-2000, 04:32 PM
the first time i did it i was at home.. right now when I'm trying i'm at school.. different IPs.. i'm going to change my computer name and try it again..
06-01-2000, 04:36 PM
didn't think of that...let me know if you have any luck. I have been looking around and I can't find a thing.
Oh well I guess they want to make sure they don't give free money twice. Guess I can't blame them, doesn't mean I have to like them http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-01-2000, 04:41 PM
no luck with the computer name change.. same exact error..
so its not by IP and its not by computername. Maybe they've hidden something else in the registry.. I dunno.. time for an expert to step in and help http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-01-2000, 07:30 PM
I glanced over the registry a few times but I couldn't find anything. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif
On the bright side, when we finally do figure out how it is they track computers we'll be able to fix a good percentage of them at the same time since they all use the same basic program.
06-01-2000, 11:20 PM
whats the best game to play? is it blackjack or roulette for the best odds?
anyone win big wif roulette?
06-02-2000, 01:14 AM
I took a course on gambling at my school and my teacher said that blackjack is the worse to play and craps has the best odds. Black jack is more fun though. =) Craps gets kinda old, just rolling the dice over and over again.
06-02-2000, 02:30 AM
goukuGT, noway, craps has good odds? what kind of odds?
I know in a standard game following standard rules of when to hit or hold you can get 52-54% thats 2-4% over the casino..but usually ppl play on emotion so its less probally 47%. but with roulette there are 37 squares to land and one being in no-man's land so the odds is a bit less that (18/37)*100 or 48.6% the casino has an edge of 1.5%...btw its much easier to play than bj since its just spinning a wheel. no thinking. now what kind of odds for craps?
06-02-2000, 02:54 AM
hey all of you people that say they've won $200 and so on...How do you manage to do that? No matter how careful I am I always end up losing all my money in blackjack. Do you bet all your money in the beginning and quit? For those of you who bet all their money as soon as you start, how often do you win that way?
06-02-2000, 04:44 AM
I have been reading this for a while, and seen many people winning a lot too... Do you all only play with that $25? How many casinos are there giving out free money?
BTW, how big is the program that you have to dl from River Belle? I am on 56K now(I missed my T1), so I dun wanna dl any big shyt.
06-02-2000, 04:48 AM
Sorry for asking how many casinos... Just been to free-casinos.com. Does anyone have any suggestion on which one to go? And which one NOT to go? And is it better to use webcertificate in this case?
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06-02-2000, 05:36 AM
I've been playing with the free $25-15 at the various sites, each time cashing out somewhere between 30-50 at each site. I truly believe that they want you to play and get hooked, then can your money. So to me the goal is to play a few hands, enough to meet the mininum wager, and then cash out as SOON as there is a sign I might lose all my hands. I start out playing, $4-8 BJ hands. Some places I do well, some places I lose right off the bat. Its hit and miss and luck of the draw. I hope this helps!
06-02-2000, 05:50 AM
I played at all of the free money ones. I got about 400 total. I usually bet the maximum at the beginning, and if i lose, i quit. BUt if I win, I keep the bet, I do not change it, because I have found that when u change it higher, u will tend to lose more often. THat has happened 6 times that I have done it. I usually cash out at $50 or more. I might go more than 50, but I will stop once i lose back to 50. Good Luck all.
06-02-2000, 05:58 AM
i've made over $600 so far..the trick is to bet big at the right time..sure u can bet $2 but after awhile it just gets tedious..u gotta go on a hunch and bet alot of money..that's how u win..but of course i've lost alot in the process..out of like 15 casinos i've won at about 4 or 5 of em..and don't be so damn greedy..i lost alot of potential money doing that..and if u feel like the dealer is winning way too many hands..stop playing..go on to another way..come back to it later..just common sense..
06-02-2000, 07:21 AM
You do not have 3-4% over the dealer in black jack, no way. If you ever had a better chance of winning than the casino, then why would they even offer the game? Every single game the casino has is in their favor. People always think that black jack is a skill game, well there is, to a point. What I mean is you know not to hit over 17 and stuff like that, but after that, its all luck. Unless you can count cards to give you that extra edge, there is no way you have better odds than the house. Trust me. I've lost a LOT learning this, from online casinos to real casinos. The best rule to gambling. Don't get greedy. Take your winnings when they are still winnings and have fun. =)
06-02-2000, 12:00 PM
Gotta throw MTCW in here. I've gambled seriously for over 15 years. Have played in casinos in the U.S., Caribbean and Europe, more than 50 different casinos in all. Have studied card-counting and the odds on most of the games and (because I used to own a seat on one of the stock-exchanges) knew Ken Uston (the guy that started the card-counting craze of the 70's with his book from the time when he was an exchange VP in CA. Here's the skinny: Unless you count cards and know the odds (takes some serious practice) the casino will ALWAYS have the edge in blackjack. Following good basic-play techniques will narrow the odds to about 49.25(YOU) to 50.75(THEM,) giving them about a 1.50% advantage with the exact percentages varying from casino to casino depending on small rule variations, number of decks shuffled together, how "deep" into the deck they deal before they re-shuffle, etc. Craps (again, IF you know all the odds) offers the best odds in the casino WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR CERTAIN BETS. Because of the payoff ratios and the zeros on the wheel, you will NEVER under any circumstances get an edge on the house in roulette. Or (it should go without saying) on jackpot machines.
Unless you want to devote a lot of time to learning this stuff (just like any other job,) the best bet for the average Joe is following basic-play technique at Blackjack. Yes, the house still has an edge but percentages that small really only make them a profit over longer periods of time and large numbers of players. In other words, it is common to catch short "runs" where the composition of the cards actually favor the player. If you can discipline yourself to follow a sound strategy (any library will have a book that can teach you that in 15 minutes or less) and quit each session when you have a modest profit instead of being greedy (which is the emotion that casinos bank on) you can very likely walk away a winner. Over the long-haul, however, unless you count cards, you WILL lose!
So, be happy with small profits, stay cool and, if things turn against you just keep a "so what" attitude. Free casino money = cheap fun that can become nice pocket money.
06-02-2000, 01:10 PM
Yep just got to know when to stop. I myself always stop between $50-$75. Over the last 10 days I have won $812. But that was for quite a few different places. I have played all the free ones on www.free-casinos.com (http://www.free-casinos.com) and played a couple of ones where you pay and they give you a bonus. For those kind I just play what till I am back down to what I deposited and within the amount. That way I don't loose money. I have casino software and play for fun all the time. It's nice to play for real with someone elses money. BTW I did recieve 2 checks today, so I know at least some of these casinos are paying off. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-02-2000, 04:02 PM
Although my serious blackjack playing days ended in the early 80s (culminating in my being a minor member of a 6-person blackjack team), what bigfuss wrote is quite accurate and I'd suggest you pay attention to it.
Okay, just to pick nits, I'd maintain that Ken Uston didn't start the card counting craze -- credit should go to Thorp, and his book, "Beat the Dealer," back in the 60s. But I grant you that Uston's work was a significant improvement on Thorp.
What it comes down to it --
Playing perfect basic strategy, the house's advantage over the player in blackjack is extremely slight. The precise size of the advantage varies, depending on the particular rules in play, but it's on the close order of 1.7% at many casinos.
However, very, very few players are willing to master basic strategy and stick to it, hour after hour. Human nature being what it is, people will increase their bet size based on hunches, or stick on 16 against dealer's 7, because they "feel a face card coming up." Or generally play with their gut, and not with their head. Admittedly, this tends to make the game more fun. It also makes the game more profitable for the house.
Yes, it's entirely possible to play hunches and win big. But that doesn't mean that playing hunches is a successful system. It just means that it works sometimes. Statistically, it will tend to cost you more than it makes you. But few people care about statistics.
Depending on the precise rules in play, use of a counting system can actually give a very slight edge to the player. However, mastering a powerful card counting system, and finding the self-discipline to stick with it, is rare. Moreover, these days, with 8 deck shoes and shuffle points 60% into the cards, successful counting will rarely prove worthwhile, at least for the individual player. (I don't know if teams of counters still haunt the casinos. Maybe this is ancient history. In any case, it's sort of irrelevant to a discussion of cyber-blackjack.)
Finally, let me leave you with this thought:
The casinos in Las Vegas are huge, imposing, expensive structures. As in "hundreds of millions of dollars" expensive.
These casinos are not financed by hotel profits. Nor are they constructed to lose money for their parent companies. Rather, they are financed out of casino winnings. Because no matter how lucky you feel, how clever your wagering strategy, or how carefully you analyze patterns, the odds are with the house. Telling yourself otherwise is to ignore reality. (Okay, a tiny handful of serious card counters may be exceptions to this rule, but for 99.98% of gamblers, the house has the edge.)
Play cyber-blackjack if you like. Play it for enjoyment, if you enjoy the game. Play it with the casino's money, if you can get a "$15 free to new members" deal. Play it with your own money, if you've got some cash you can afford to lose.
But never play it with the expectation that you're going to win big. Never play it with money that should be going to necessities. And never play it with smug certainty that you've found an "angle" that the house hasn't thought of, by which you can clean up.
And woe unto you who go in with an angle, and by simple freak chance manage to pull off a big win. Because mark my words, you'll then be convinced that you know the secret to breaking the bank, and you'll wind up giving back those initial winnings, and more, as sure as night follows day.
BTW, I've won $160 in the past week, playing cyber-blackjack, mostly with the casinos' "free chips to new members" deals. Which isn't obscene wealth, but it's enough to put a smile on my face.
OK, I've used sportsbook.com for over ayear now. They pay out fast (1-2 weeks). They have specials (like 5% juice) and 10% bonus on your initial deposit. That means gain 10% automatically. For doing nothing!!!
06-02-2000, 09:13 PM
just be careful..because this is ONLINE gambling u really don't konw how fair it is.. the fellas out there who have studied statistics do have an advantage but i personally feel that when it comes to playing online, rules change. the dealer seems to pull out 10's and A's out of his crack all the time..blah blah blah on those who say its just a bad streak..maybe it is..but for those who get frustrated at times like me relax, its not ur money so no loss..
06-02-2000, 10:06 PM
looks like most of the free $15 casinos have gotten rid of their free dollars. Jeez!! You guys have been doing this too much!
06-04-2000, 01:01 PM
Just played BJ in River Belle for 10 mins and now I am up $50... HAHA... This is great! I bet $6 everytime, and win 2 out of 3. Do I have to give them my credit card in order to cash out?
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