UAB athletes abuse 15 year old 'student'

[Jihforce]

This is MESSED UP! I can't believe the school would let something like this happen and not take responsibility for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/08/31/uab.lawsuit/index.html

[coleslaw]

When are people going to learn that you can't throw a 15-year-old into a college environment and expect them to thrive? She would have been better off commuting to school, in my opinion. Sure, she might not have been able to partake in every college experience, including dorm life, but why is that such a big deal? She was a prodigy, so she was already faced with being different from the 'norm'. Because of this, I would think that she would have been able to deal with not fitting in at the university level.

[welfareloser]

whew! the school dropped the ball on that one! at first i figgered the parents were just being dumb, but the school promised to watch her more closely than other students.... and they couldn't have prevented the girl from doing that stuff, but they sure coulda notified the parents about the alcohol poisoning and the GPA drop from 3.5-1.9 ... eesh. don't make promises you're not going to keep.

[Jihforce]

What I found disturbing is how she ended up in a coed dorm.
Specially one filled with athletes. Doesn't the school have any COMMON SENSE?? :confused:

[BrewMaster]

That's some pretty sick sh*t.

[The Happy Squirrel]

thats crazy

god dont ppl know jail bait when they see it

[eSDee]

Remember this is Alabama we're talking about...

Just kidding Alabama G|A'ers. Sounds like the parents fault to me. They probably didn't sit her down and give her the "just say no" speech that has worked so well on so many of us :heh:

[helius]

I for one find it hard to sympathize with the girl, and especially with the parents. I'd like to see the girl and her parents take responsibility for their actions (or lack therof). Being the concerned parents they are, shouldn't they have helped her move in and/or visit her occasionally? Is there any large (as in population) university in the US with a policy to inform parents/guardians of truancies? What gave her the rights to special treatment? Guarantees and assurances of special treatment should be specifically outlawed (Yes, I'm including those annoying football players in that statement).
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Having said all that... yeah, yeah, the rapists should be punished. The coach? Maybe. The administrators? Hell, no.

Then again knowing how the American justice system works, this will probably be settle out of court, swept under the rug and all that. :heh:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by helius
I for one find it hard to sympathize with the girl, and especially with the parents. I'd like to see the girl and her parents take responsibility for their actions (or lack therof). Being the concerned parents they are, shouldn't they have helped her move in and/or visit her occasionally? Is there any large (as in population) university in the US with a policy to inform parents/guardians of truancies? What gave her the rights to special treatment? Guarantees and assurances of special treatment should be specifically outlawed (Yes, I'm including those annoying football players in that statement).
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Having said all that... yeah, yeah, the rapists should be punished. The coach? Maybe. The administrators? Hell, no.

Then again knowing how the American justice system works, this will probably be settle out of court, swept under the rug and all that. :heh:

i mostly agree, except that, after they promised special protection, they IGNORED some really serious sh*t. they lied, and it wound up really bad when it didn't have to..

also, it's easy enough to act normal to avoid getting caught. maybe her parents did visit and everything looked spiffy. maybe they were too poor to visit.

[poiselle]

It seems like a foul on all sides. The school should not have promised to watch over her since they really are not equipped to be her parents. Her parents should have been more involved. I am surprised the grade thing was not known earlier. At UMD they send mid-semester progress reports home to all 100 and 200 level classes. If UAB had this system perhaps her parents would have known earlier. I do think that the final responsibility for the kid falls with the parents though. She was a minor and they had a responsibility to keep tabs on her. It seems a shame though.

[coleslaw]

Originally posted by helius
the rapists should be punished
I don't believe that there was any mention of actual rape in the article. It simply said that there was alcohol involved. Those who had relations with her should face major trouble for being with a minor.

[TheLoneGunman]

This case is significant for the OPPOSITE reason the lawsuit alleges.

The alleged purpose of statutory rape laws is to protect girls/boys who are too young and hence not smart enough/not mature enough to handle it.

Some states, like Hawaii, say the age is 14, others, say it is as high as 18.

This girl, was not only the statutory age (she was about 15.5 -- remember when she ENROLLED at the beginning of the year, she was turning 15 and she didn't have sex until the next SUMMER.) BUT she was clearly BOTH mentally and emotionally mature enough (otherwise she would not have been accepted into the school)

When I was in college, I knew plenty of 18/19 year old girls that were at least as gullible and get into at least as much trouble (academically and sexually). Could they also make similar claims?

What about a 23 year old who was sheltered and goes for her first job in a big city? Can she sue?

Where does this all end?

[ProMinx]

Obviously she wanted everything she got. She wanted all of the alcohol and drugs, and she obviously didn't mind the sex or she would've stopped drinking and drugging. I do agree that the university is at fault though. They promised to protect the kid, and they screwed up big time. Anyone who slept with her should also be shot. I fully support the age of consent set at 18 in California. 15 year olds cannot make worthwhile sexual decisions!

ProMinx

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by ProMinx
I fully support the age of consent set at 18 in California. 15 year olds cannot make worthwhile sexual decisions!


Why 18?

Why not 30?

Why not have to take a test like driving?

Where do you draw the line?

[Windsor]

Alright, she's 15, and in college. I know a few of those type of kids, and they're all intelligent, or else, they wouldn't be going into college at their age, the difference is they're guys and they're not dorming but it is this type of thing that makes me 1). wonder what the heck went on in that dorm... 2). what the heck went on in that girl's head?

I see two major possibilites: She was severely influenced with lies and subsequently, sex, by the atheletes and thats what lead her down that path. However, at 15, as much as I know about 15 year olds with that high an IQ, they aren't that easily swayed like that, especially someone that had dreams of getting a degree and starting her career at 19, someone with a goal in mind.

The second possibility is that she made a career change. She just decided to take another path. After all, she has some extra time, right? And she's smart enough to know when to stop, right? Eh, I think she's wrong. It still amazes me how naive and unintelligent that some "prodigies" can be. They may be geniuses, but appear to lack the common sense and "street smarts" that I put as part of intelligence.
It reminds me of a story of this 14 year old boy in like New York, he was a computer genius, good swimmer and upcoming musician or something like that, very talented. He got in trouble for hacking, the principle said that if he was an adult, he'd be in jail or could be in jail. The boy was dropped home by his father, they had a talk on the car, I guess, and I believe the father went back to work. When he called home to check up, there was no answer, he got worried. Went home. Found his boy had committed suicide, because he was afraid of jail, and his parents or something along that line. Where's the common sense? 14 year old genius, talented boy...afraid of going to jail for a little hack in the school system?


Edit cause something went weird and I submitted too early...

[hapoo]

Just cause you have book smarts doesn't automatically mean your mature! There are plenty of people in this world who are geniouses and old but stopped maturing in their teens, they still act like children. Plus, someone as "unique" as she was probably didn't have a very good social life considering the fact that she wasn't exactly in the same environment as her peers, Then BAM she's off to college with horny guys who'll do anything for sex. A couple nice comments, a little flirting and next thing you know she's in bed with the guy cause he gave her some attention.

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


Why 18?

Why not 30?

Why not have to take a test like driving?

Where do you draw the line?
I stand by the age of 18 because by that point, the majority of people can tell the difference between the truth and a lie. At this age, I feel that naivete plays a far smaller roll than at an age like 17 or 16. I feel that prior to 18 I could've made this decision and avoided coke and morphine and whatnot, but there are stupid and/or foolish people in the world that, despite their weaknesses, do need to be protected. It is for the sake of these people that I suggest a higher age. I know that some people still won't be ready at 18, but we can't limit all the way up until 30, and if we did, the law would never be enforced, even among 15 year olds.

I dated an ex-girlfriend for a year, and she and I never had sex...but now she is 19 and she is planning to transfer to SDSU this year. She is one of the most naive people I have ever met...and she is one of the reasons that I suggest a higher age to make your own sexual decisions. Prior to our relationship, had she gone to college, there is no doubt in my mind that she would have been convinced to drink, sweet-talked into bed, and then regretted everything from there, hating herself for it...but after our relationship and the confidence she gleaned from the way I handle myself and the encouragement I gave her in the majority of her decisions, I think she actually has a chance of making it through even SDSU with the majority of her morals intact. I'd say that by this age, the majority of girls will have learned on their own or found some sort of friend/relationship that teaches them to stand up for what they believe in. Unfortunately it was that same confidence that will save her a lot of grief that allowed her to dump me like a medicine ball and turn her back like a 2 dollar whore.

I may just be ramblin though because i'm tipsy and tired... If I am...forgive me. The Ice Man Cometh...

ProMinx

[TheLoneGunman]

While I am not quite as passionate about this as I am about Israel, this runs a close second.

I believe this is a case of what I term "After the fact Date Rape". This is when a girl WILLING and KNOWINGLY beds a guy and then in the morning either ashamed at her decision or based on his treatment of her, she cries rape.

I believe the penalty for the girl in a case like this should be no less than for a man who is convicted of rape. Otherwise, it is a license to cry rape.

If this girl's parents were so concerned, why didn't they check up on her? After all, as a minor, her health and other records were their's to examine. The parent's shirked their responsibility and the girl ignored hers and now some athletes have become the scapegoats as a result.

Here is another way to think about it. If you have a sister/daughter/etc. who is of LEGAL age in your area and I have sex with her and then laugh about it later, post the details on Got|Apex, etc. wouldn't you want to kick my butt, burn down my house, sue me, etc.? Would you even think of claiming that I "raped" her because you couldn't imagine that she and I would have sex any other way? I bet this girl wasn't even a virgin when she entered college. I think she just let her parents think that.

[Sir_Froggy]

aiyoh! :shake:
don't people know that 17 year old and younger kids are stupid??
jebus crust...u'd think people'd learn by now aiyoh! :shake:

[TheLoneGunman]

I decided to read the actual case filing and it was interesting...

apparently, she NEVER attended classes the entire fall term yet somehow she had a 1.9 GPA. Hello!! Do you get a 'c' at UAB just for registering for classes?

Also, she became addicted to alcohol, specifically BRANDY! (I have talked to many alkies and have never run across any that are addicted to Brandy)

It also details that school officials kept asking her if she was sleeping with people on campus and the girl kept denying it. Therefore, where is the liability? Wouldn't the officials be sued for slander if they went ahead and tried to tell her parents about sex that the girl denied (because then they would be accused of spreading false rumors)

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
I decided to read the actual case filing and it was interesting...

apparently, she NEVER attended classes the entire fall term yet somehow she had a 1.9 GPA. Hello!! Do you get a 'c' at UAB just for registering for classes?

Also, she became addicted to alcohol, specifically BRANDY! (I have talked to many alkies and have never run across any that are addicted to Brandy)


Umm...I get a C at UCLA just for registering (unless I ditch the midterms or finals...and yes, it has happened...)

Mmmmmm...Brandy. Ewwwww...Brandy. Mmmmmm...Brandy. Ewwwww...Brandy. Brandy was the first alcohol I ever drank with friends without supervision (weird, huh?), hence the contradiction of taste...

ProMinx

[BrewMaster]

TLG I don't think it would be spreading rumors if you contact the parents out of concern and let them handle their own daughter. What I want to know is how the hell did she geta consistent supply of Brandy? Probably had those athletes get it for her in exchange. It sucks, but the university said they'd look out for her and they didn't. I agree that these parents are irresponsible too but that's some crazy stuff there. Where did she get the money coke ad heroin? That stuff is expensive. There must have been more going on than anyone is saying.