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[welfareloser]

can you make this post "sticky" or whatever, so it stays at the top like the badge'n'avatar poll?

[Kim]

bump

[BrewMaster]

Thank you and way to be on top of things GAMs. Instead of blaming, let's pray for families of victims, regardless of your faith.

[oblongmelon]

Good news and possible bad news, my nephew a Student at G.W.U who was working on an internship at the pentagon today is alright-and on his way out of washington to McClean Va. One of his co-workers fathers immediately headed into DC to pick his daughter up when he heard of the bombings in New York (foreshadowing of note).Both my nephew and his friend got out of Pentagon in reasonable order although scared ****less. The bad news is-they can't find his roomate who was also working there today. Cross your fingers that the kid is ok-they think he tried to get back to their appt in Foggy Bottom to call his parents and got sidetracked by police doing roadblocks.

[g222leav]

i heard this on the radio, and it's a good comment.

untill we find out who did this, it's goin to be no use to point fingers and to channel rage at different peoples/groups...

the point was, let the military take care of the situation.

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by g222leav
i heard this on the radio, and it's a good comment.

untill we find out who did this, it's goin to be no use to point fingers and to channel rage at different peoples/groups...

the point was, let the military take care of the situation.

hell yeah, time to get a return on the investment.

[welfareloser]

and some things to remember about the people that are celebrating in the streets over these attacks:

they live in places where the govt controls the media - they may believe that americans eat babies and plot the destruction of their country. (they may not even know what really happened, or they may believe that it was a direct retaliation for some atrocity committed by america.)

those living in this country, like the people celebrating in detroit... not real cool, but who knows what they believe about america? they hear stuff from the media in their home country, they hear something totally different from the american media, they don't know what to believe. and again, that is just a very small number of people.

it is not unknown for totalitarian governments to bribe or threaten people into "celebrating" to look good for the camera. and a day off of work is a day off of work.

hating a "group" who hates your "group" doesn't improve the world. hate the people who committed the crime, hate the ignorance that caused them to hate you, hate certain things about a culture, but don't hate a whole ethnicity, country or religion full of individuals. (or if you do, just keep your mouth shut about it and don't try to justify your hatred - you aren't going to change any minds anyway.)

[Kenas]

Originally posted by welfareloser
and some things to remember about the people that are celebrating in the streets over these attacks:

they live in places where the govt controls the media - they may believe that americans eat babies and plot the destruction of their country. (they may not even know what really happened, or they may believe that it was a direct retaliation for some atrocity committed by america.)

those living in this country, like the people celebrating in detroit... not real cool, but who knows what they believe about america? they hear stuff from the media in their home country, they hear something totally different from the american media, they don't know what to believe. and again, that is just a very small number of people.



Unfortunatelly not, there were some selebrations in Brooklyn as well, I passed it by while walking from the HELL.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Kenas


Unfortunatelly not, there were some selebrations in Brooklyn as well, I passed it by while walking from the HELL.

riiiiiight... you edited out the part where i addressed that...

[mojo]

Originally posted by welfareloser
and some things to remember about the people that are celebrating in the streets over these attacks:

they live in places where the govt controls the media - they may believe that americans eat babies and plot the destruction of their country. (they may not even know what really happened, or they may believe that it was a direct retaliation for some atrocity committed by america.)



i dont know where you think we live...but i think the govt controls the media right here. half the things that we hear about the rest of the world is propaganda

[Jeffbx]

Originally posted by welfareloser
those living in this country, like the people celebrating in detroit... not real cool, but who knows what they believe about america?

For people wondering - Dearborn, Michigan (just outside of Detroit) has the largest population of Middle Easterners outside of the Mid-East. Just so no one thinks that Detroiters in general are anti-American. ;)

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Kenas


Unfortunatelly not, there were some selebrations in Brooklyn as well, I passed it by while walking from the HELL.


Kenas i heard several people, who were in Brooklyn at the time, saying the same thing. Tragic, just tragic

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by mojorisin


i dont know where you think we live...but i think the govt controls the media right here. half the things that we hear about the rest of the world is propaganda

i think i know exactly where we live, and i never said that our media gives us the unedited and unslanted truth. i was making the point that other people are hearing awful and sometimes untrue things about us, and if i heard and believed what they do, i'd probly hate us, too.

[BrewMaster]

We all agree that the celebrations are wrong. Who cares about where people get their news? We know they are believing something that's probably untrue and reagardless, they're celebrating death which is just whack. I am an Arab American and I am not celebrating this mess, so please, don't single out all Arabs in the US. So there are lot of Arabs in Dearborn. Most of them WERE NOT celebrating. It is an isolated group, so can we drop it?

[ProMinx]

Originally posted by mojorisin


i dont know where you think we live...but i think the govt controls the media right here. half the things that we hear about the rest of the world is propaganda

But unlike many of these other countries in question, we have access to news sources not controlled by our government...or do you believe that the US Gov't controls the BBC and the int'l channels? Beyond that, do you really believe that the gov't is controlling our internet access? I think that everyone who bitches about the government controlling most of the news should shut the hell up. I've compared stories on the news and stories i've researched on the internet, and they always line up with very very minor contradictions. Undoubtedly, the gov't controls what we hear about classified information and various experiments, but can you blame them? "Zip it"

ProMinx

[mojo]

Originally posted by ProMinx


But unlike many of these other countries in question, we have access to news sources not controlled by our government...or do you believe that the US Gov't controls the BBC and the int'l channels? Beyond that, do you really believe that the gov't is controlling our internet access? I think that everyone who bitches about the government controlling most of the news should shut the hell up. I've compared stories on the news and stories i've researched on the internet, and they always line up with very very minor contradictions. Undoubtedly, the gov't controls what we hear about classified information and various experiments, but can you blame them? "Zip it"

ProMinx

awareness is key. if you want to blow what i said out of proportion, go ahead. people should just be aware that when you get too comfortable, it is easy to blindly trust things. "ooh, we're so great" and "oooh, the US would never hurt us". whatever, palzy

i would much rather question the system than blindly trust it because i am told to. so....put a sock in it

[BrewMaster]

Just to give a little news update, one of the clips they were showing "live" on news networks of Arabs celebrating the terrorism was from a 1998 movie. I don't remember the name, but they stopped showing that footage. Also, one clip was file footage from the Iran-Iraq war. Way to go "unbiased" American media.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by BrewMaster
Just to give a little news update, one of the clips they were showing "live" on news networks of Arabs celebrating the terrorism was from a 1998 movie. I don't remember the name, but they stopped showing that footage. Also, one clip was file footage from the Iran-Iraq war. Way to go "unbiased" American media.

This is because PLO terrorists kidnapped journalists and at gunpoint prevented them from sending their footage of the current celebrations out to their offices.

This has been widely reported by the major services, such as AP.

ALSO, the CNN STORY IS FALSE. Here is the reality DIRECTLY FROM THEM:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


This is because PLO terrorists kidnapped journalists and at gunpoint prevented them from sending their footage of the current celebrations out to their offices.

This has been widely reported by the major services, such as AP.
So that entitles them to use movie footage and stuff from the late 80's?

What the heck kind of conception of "responsible journalism" are you subscribing to?

[TheLoneGunman]

The Palestinian Center for Public Opinion just released a poll of 1,120 Palestinians. It stated that there was a margin of error of 2.93 percent.
The poll stated that

"80 percent of Palestinians support suicide bombings against Israel"

Since Americans are frequently wounded/killed in these attacks, this appears to meet President Bush's definition of giving comfort and support to terrorists.

As such, I would consider those that support this movement to be enemies of the US and would hope that proper measures would be taken to protect the safety of other Americans.

[pennypinch]

US special forces 'land in Pakistan'
Sep 15 2001

Newspapers in Pakistan say foreign troops have already arrived in the country.

The Nation reports a special plane carrying over two dozen foreigners landed at the Chakala airbase.

The News quotes an eyewitness as saying he saw a small contingent of US troops landing in Islamabad. There is no official confirmation of the reports.

The paper says, according to unofficial reports, over 50 personnel from the Special Services Group of the US Marines' Green Seals have landed.

It adds they plan to conduct 'target-oriented' operations against Osama bin Laden, prime suspect behind the terrorist strikes in the US.

Diplomatic sources have confirmed the arrival of two American aircraft but refused to give further details, the Press Trust Of India reports.

The Pakistani Army has taken over Karachi airport and has increased its presence at other airports in the area, according to media reports.

It's unclear whether the army takeover is in preparation for a strike against neighbouring Afghanistan.

Pakistan is under intense pressure from both the US and Afghanistan's Taliban regime following Tuesday's terrorist attack."

I only find it interesting because of the date. Last Friday? And what the heck are "Green SEALS"? Well, apparently, these:
http://www.specwarnet.com/americas/USMC_MSPF.htm

[giambona]

i wouldn't believe anything the papers in pakistan say. their newspapers are run by the state, right?

we have deployed our ships and planes there: http://www.msnbc.com/news/627086.asp