Worse than Pearl Harbor?

[TheLoneGunman]

December 7, 1941 is referred to as a "day that will live in infamy" (it's also my aunt's birthday)

Reports are now saying that more people are dead in these attacks than in Pearl Harbor.

Is this an isolated event, or the start of something larger?

[Burzhui]

The start of another World War

[DoPeY5007]

I don't think it is bigger than Pearl Harbor just because it is terism... Pearl Harbor they flew in and attacked us,

this time they just high jacked planes and used them against us... I am not soaying what happened today isn't a big deal I am just saying I thing Pearl Harbor was worse...

today is a sad day :(

[welfareloser]

depending on who/how many did it, i think it's only a small chance for this to become a world war... i would like to think that our weaponry and manpower and allies would make it a very short and lopsided event.

please do not destroy this illusion for me.

[OC]

Worse. Much worse.

[brainsmile]

well I hope we find out who did it

[topane]

I don't think it will be another WW simply becasue it seems like everyone else is on our side and supports our next step, whatever that may be.

[Jihforce]

This act was directly taken towards american civilians. Where as pearl harbor was mainly targeted towards the military.

[fakesurfers]

This not the start of a World War.

However, be prepared for everyhting to change. If youre flying in the next 6 months or so, please arrive at the airport at least a day early..

[BrewMaster]

This is just one big-a$$ mess. This is worse than anyone could have imagined in a movie. I hope airport security gets better.

My friend told me this story of his recent travel experience. He was bringing a computer to his friend (just the case, no monitor and stuff) and he was carrying it. They had him walk through the metal-detector carrying the case. Obviously it went off because he was carrying a metal box. They hadhim just turn onthe computer with nothing else connected. When the front lights went on, they had him turn it off, no questions asked. They didn't open up the case (he could've had a bomb or guns in there with just a powersupply) and they didn't havehim walk through the gate again without the case in hand. He could've had weapons on his person too. That was the security at LAX about 4 months ago. Let's hope it changes.

[TheLoneGunman]

I REGULARLY go through airport security in the SF Bay area (about 10 times a month) and while a few guards are on guard and strict, I have set off detectors and then just walked away without being searched or stopped!! I have seen people with bulky, long trench coats set off and then walk through the checkpoints at a certain airport as well.

I would be happy to debrief with anyone involved with security if they were interested. I have lots of proof and exact timings of all of these incidents so there is no question about the specifics.

BTW, it was not my primary job to test or observe airport security, but I simply observed to satisfy my idle curiousity while I was doing other things there.

[g222leav]

no no no, this is definatly worse. although each event is bad, both have elements of surprise, innocent victems...and american soil. but this attack is much worse due to the fact, that we don't know who did this, also we lost so much more than lives. we lost a major trade center, and our defensive center (not that they are of equal value of lives) but that's still a huge loss.

[Anck Su Namun]

I wouldn't go as far to say this is the beginning of a world war, but I think there will be more terrorist attacks in the near future. As far as Pearl Harbor, it is hard to say since I wasn't alive back then. But yes, more people probably died today so I would consider this much worse.

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
I REGULARLY go through airport security in the SF Bay area (about 10 times a month) and while a few guards are on guard and strict, I have set off detectors and then just walked away without being searched or stopped!! I have seen people with bulky, long trench coats set off and then walk through the checkpoints at a certain airport as well.

I would be happy to debrief with anyone involved with security if they were interested. I have lots of proof and exact timings of all of these incidents so there is no question about the specifics.

BTW, it was not my primary job to test or observe airport security, but I simply observed to satisfy my idle curiousity while I was doing other things there.

I dunno, if my name was The Lone Gunman, that I'd personally admit to doing things like checking out airport security. There is an...irony there that's just too tasty for your average fed.

[ZrEo0]

i think this was worse than pearl harbor, because pearl harbor was milatary, not civilins, and we knew who it was, with this, it could be many different people, bush just broke alot of tredies. also our economy is fragle right now, this is just goin 2 kill it, i think this will be a start of another depresstion

[xsiled]

i think we should start with all middle easter terrorist groups if they arnt the ones who did this big deal it keeps them from helping who ever did, i dont think that we will have a depression maybe a slow down in the worlds economy but not a depression. ALSO even tho this was very bad maybe this will get people to understand that the downtrends in the stock market and such was due to over rated stock yahoo @ $120 per share and not because of a republican OR democratic presidency

[Two Cents]

This attack bodes ill for American Civilians, because this is first major SUICIDE bombing that I have heard of here. It is common in Israel, but if they are going to sacrifice lives and use "creative" methods like these, then we are in trouble. When those terrorists died today, they probably did more harm than they could have in multiple lifetimes.

[g222leav]

i think TLG makes a good point, the thing is, because (seemingly) america may look like it's been crippled or such, other terrorist groups are goin to try to take a stab at us. kinda like kickin em when they're down type deal....that's what i'm afraid of, and that's what makes it much much much more worse than pearl harbor. i must admit though that i wasn't around during pearl harbor, and that my current state is more partial to this experience. no doubt that americans all over were scared back in the 60's when that exploded.

as for world war, that's the other thing i fear. seriously, we ally ourselves with isreal, and russia (one of the other major powers) seems like then like to jump sides. china always seems to be on the side lines observing. i'm just hoping that allies of the parties involved don't get all big and bad and try to show off their muscles (i.e. nukes).

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by g222leav
i'm just hoping that allies of the parties involved don't get all big and bad and try to show off their muscles (i.e. nukes).

Israel has nukes and everyone in the Middle East knows it (I included a map with descriptions and locations a few weeks ago)

The threat of what Israel can do (their victories in the region have been pretty decisive) will likely keep the other countries there to just their silly posturing and street demonstrations.

Also, Ariel Sharon (Prime Minister) is one of the most successful generals there but also has no problem getting his hands dirty when it comes to terrorists (he supports execution squads). Therefore, all Bush has to do is give the word and that region will be under control. It kinda sucks that as a result certain people will lose their rights over there, but Bush has already said that "guilt by association" is still guilt.

[g222leav]

let's just hope it's not a wwIII.

[El Scorcho]

and typically terrorist attacks come from groups/factions or whatever. If it was a middle eastern country... may i remind you of Desert Storm? We whooped a$$ in that war. Point being that any country that would need to make an attack in a terrorist matter... is obviously not ready for a world war. Not only will they have the whole world agains them (hey terrorists are very popular) but they do not have the military readiness, i.e. forces, weapons, allies n whatever else.

Now a super power country, provided they wanted to attack america... would do it in a warlike manner. Terrorists are terrorist because their too panzie wussy to make a real attack.

If this is going to be a world war...itll be the world against one country.

[quick061]

this won't end up in WWIII. to have such a war you would need major world powers against each other, but right now the US, England, France, Russia and others are all united to fight against it. more likely would be another Vietnam-type war where its a large militarly facing small scattered terrorist forces.

while i hope who ever did it now lives in fear because they know we will be comming for them (whichis just), i also hope we find out who it was soon. the sooner we remove these type people from the world the better it will be.

[g222leav]

good point quick. i was concerned of russia's and china's "real" stance on the issue. hopefully the pressures of being political will restrain any superpower from supporting such a cowardly act.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


Israel has nukes and everyone in the Middle East knows it (I included a map with descriptions and locations a few weeks ago)

The threat of what Israel can do (their victories in the region have been pretty decisive) will likely keep the other countries there to just their silly posturing and street demonstrations.

Also, Ariel Sharon (Prime Minister) is one of the most successful generals there but also has no problem getting his hands dirty when it comes to terrorists (he supports execution squads). Therefore, all Bush has to do is give the word and that region will be under control. It kinda sucks that as a result certain people will lose their rights over there, but Bush has already said that "guilt by association" is still guilt.

yep. tho i don't always like how much they throw their muscle around, their past history should come in quite handy - ppl should know not to fugg with israel. hopefully the threat alone will keep things relatively quiet.