declaration of war

[The Happy Squirrel]

I jsut heard that a declaration of war has just been passed through congress and is expected to be anounced later today
i ahvent been able to confirm this yet

[Burzhui]

Did i not say that they were planning to bomb Afghanistan? why don't people believe me, i don't know :rolleyes:

[The Happy Squirrel]

Burzhui - um can you say DUH?! i thkn everyone of reasoning age knew that


DarkFury
i dont know i heard the information second hand
my roomate heard it on the news while i was at class?

[Butch]

You can't declare war without knowing who you are declaring it against. Congress was getting together today to issue a declaration denouncing the attack and a general authorization to use force if that is what you are referring to.

[Burzhui]

Well they are planning to bomb afghanistan, and afghanistan is crying out for US not to do it, they even supposedly caught bin-laden and said that they will give him out if USA gives them hardcore facts and proof that bin laden was the one at fault here

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Butch
You can't declare war without knowing who you are declaring it against. Congress was getting together today to issue a declaration denouncing the attack and a general authorization to use force if that is what you are referring to.

sounds more likely than an outright declaration of war at this point, although it may be that they Do know exactly who to declare war on and are not sharing the information yet.

and burzhui, you and your selective hearing are worthless.

a. please find and quote anywhere that you said "we are going to bomb afghanistand" AND you received the reply "no we are not going to bomb afghanistan"

b. if you would read, and bother to remember those things that you don't like when you read them, you would remember that several of us have explained numerous times that things from your mouth are suspect because 1) you are blatantly racist, and 2) you provide no evidence, and your "facts" are often little more than opinions.

[chrissy]

I don't think they will declare war
they will take "Military Action" just like the gulf.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by chrissy
I don't think they will declare war
they will take "Military Action" just like the gulf.

I believe we did declare war against Iraq.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser


sounds more likely than an outright declaration of war at this point, although it may be that they Do know exactly who to declare war on and are not sharing the information yet.

and burzhui, you and your selective hearing are worthless.

a. please find and quote anywhere that you said "we are going to bomb afghanistand" AND you received the reply "no we are not going to bomb afghanistan"

b. if you would read, and bother to remember those things that you don't like when you read them, you would remember that several of us have explained numerous times that things from your mouth are suspect because 1) you are blatantly racist, and 2) you provide no evidence, and your "facts" are often little more than opinions.


WHo the fu*k do you think you are to call me worthless? Let me ask you this did the Pakistanian diplomats not go to the US and ask for US not to take any action against Afghanistan? if you say that no they did not, you should switch the channel that you are watching and maybe broaden your news horizon just a bit.

Also Colin Powel just came on to CBS and said that they have proof that it was Bin Ladin

[chrissy]

http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/00/00049000.htm?z=1&pg=2&br=1

"A large minority of the U.S. population opposed military action. Opponents were concerned that the armed forces would suffer large casualties and argued that the only reason for the invasion was to guarantee a cheap supply of oil. Many such opponents thought economic sanctions would eventually force Iraq to leave Kuwait. President George Bush maintained that larger political principles were involved and that economic sanctions would not work. He also argued that the UN resolution gave him the authority to use military force. Other Americans believed the president did not have the constitutional authority to order an attack without a congressional declaration of war. On January 12, 1991, the U.S. Congress narrowly passed a resolution authorizing the president to use force, nullifying the domestic debate."

Congress gave Bush Sr. the ability to use force without declaring war.

[Butch]

Burzhui, once again you have interpreted things the way you wanted to. Colin Powell simply said Bin Laden is the primary suspect. That does not mean they have incontrovertible proof that he did it. Further, the Pakistanis often act as a liaison for the Taliban government since the Pakistanis are one of only two countries that actually recognize the Taliban as the rightful leaders of Afghanistan.

In any case, the Taliban held a press conference yesterday or Tuesday essentially begging the US not to take action against Afghanistan because they knew they would automatically be considered suspect by association with Bin Laden.

[The Happy Squirrel]

welfare thank oyu for your support

like i said ppl if you can read b4 you start flamming out your ass, i siad i do not know the full details that is why i asked for more details from you guys i also siad iwant able to confirm this info

read first then think bout what your going to say dont just flame blindly
'

[attgig]

let's not get down each others throat again...please....


anyways..
for some 'facts' or atleast the stuff I've read from cnn.com:
we haven't declared war, the people who did this declared war on us by doing this. Therefore, we are in a war.
Bin Laden is the prime suspect...but still a suspect.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Butch
Burzhui, once again you have interpreted things the way you wanted to. Colin Powell simply said Bin Laden is the primary suspect. That does not mean they have incontrovertible proof that he did it. Further, the Pakistanis often act as a liaison for the Taliban government since the Pakistanis are one of only two countries that actually recognize the Taliban as the rightful leaders of Afghanistan.

In any case, the Taliban held a press conference yesterday or Tuesday essentially begging the US not to take action against Afghanistan because they knew they would automatically be considered suspect by association with Bin Laden.

No that was a while ago now he said that they have some kind of hard evidince that Bin Ladin is linked to these acts

[Butch]

Evidence does not constitute proof.

[Burzhui]

they used all of those words though, they used proof, evidence, hard evidence all in one sentence

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui
Let me ask you this did the Pakistanian diplomats not go to the US and ask for US not to take any action against Afghanistan? if you say that no they did not, you should switch the channel that you are watching and maybe broaden your news horizon just a bit.


umm... okay... that doesn't prove or disprove anything that anyone has said. perhaps you meant to post this in response to another argument, cuz it's not making much sense here...

[Burzhui]

well if you answered it would make sense

[chrissy]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/congress.terrorism/index.html

Looks like it's going to be a military action. Which, in all, is good. But still no decision.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressional leaders worked late into Wednesday night on a resolution authorizing the use of force in response to Tuesday's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

Legislators are hoping for a resolution similar to the one crafted in 1991, which authorized the use of force against Iraq prior to the Gulf War.

[welfareloser]

fresh from http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/13/nyregion/13CND-PLANE.html

Secretary of State Colin Powell said Osama bin Laden was the prime suspect in the terrorist attacks.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell today identified Osama bin Laden, the Islamic militant who has taken refuge in Afghanistan, as a prime suspect in engineering the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Although Islamic extremists have been mentioned as possible suspects in the attacks, and State Department officials have privately pointed the finger at Mr. bin Laden, Secretary Powell's announcement was the first public accusation of the Saudi exile by a top administration official.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said today that investigators were making progress in tracking down those involved in the attacks. He also said that the hijackers had "significant ground support" and that the "number of associates was significant." although he provided no details. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz spoke, too, of a "campaign, not a single action" against terrorists and their sponsors.

[apmiller]

Lots of folks are saying what they see on the news is fact but I think it's important to point out that the media can only report what they hear and find. I think it will be a long time before we can say we know the facts of this whole situation.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui
well if you answered it would make sense

so i'll answer: i don't know if they did or not... i'll take you at your word, no small leap, and believe that they did ask the US not to hurt 'em.

so that is proof that they didn't want the US to hurt 'em. nobody here was disputing the fact that pakistan is better friends with the taliban than most.

it is not proof of anything beyond that. it is not proof of a declaration of war on afghanistan. it is not proof that osama bin laden did anything. it is not proof that colin powell said "we proved osama dunnit."

so your throwing that in isn't an argument for anything that we were arguing about.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser


so i'll answer: i don't know if they did or not... i'll take you at your word, no small leap, and believe that they did ask the US not to hurt 'em.

so that is proof that they didn't want the US to hurt 'em. nobody here was disputing the fact that pakistan is better friends with the taliban than most.

it is not proof of anything beyond that. it is not proof of a declaration of war on afghanistan. it is not proof that osama bin laden did anything. it is not proof that colin powell said "we proved osama dunnit."

so your throwing that in isn't an argument for anything that we were arguing about.

no but it's proof that you are limited to one or 2 sources at most... and those people that only limit themselves to so few sources of information (or close themselves off) are generally not too intelligent. Not that i am implying anything, all i am saying is widen your horizons just a little, wake up and smell the burning of the WTC

[chrissy]

Originally posted by Burzhui


no but it's proof that you are limited to one or 2 sources at most... and those people that only limit themselves to so few sources of information (or close themselves off) are generally not too intelligent. Not that i am implying anything, all i am saying is widen your horizons just a little, wake up and smell the burning of the WTC

Burzhui

that last bit was uncalled for

Concidering you, yourself, have said you are hurt personally by this terrible event.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui


no but it's proof that you are limited to one or 2 sources at most... and those people that only limit themselves to so few sources of information (or close themselves off) are generally not too intelligent. Not that i am implying anything, all i am saying is widen your horizons just a little, wake up and smell the burning of the WTC

you have an odd definiton of proof. i am listening to 1st had accounts here, and with friends via email. i read newsweek, watch cnn, msnbc, german news via some cool sattelite station i get on cable here, bbc on the web, nyt on the web, and more. YOU ARE WRONG. your idea of "proof" is why a lot of people have a problem with a lot of things you have to say.

and you WEREN'T implying anything... you were flat-out saying that i am a certain way, and that people who are a certain way are "generally not too intelligent." if you want to insult, just do it without the "i'm not trying to say anything political (but lemme highlight the word muslim)" type of transparent backpedaling crap.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by chrissy


Burzhui

that last bit was uncalled for

Concidering you, yourself, have said you are hurt personally by this terrible event.

Well i am really sorry, but i am not about to be put down especially by someone i don't know.

[froggystyle]

Durring the term of our third president (forgot who) the us declared war on a group of pirates...It does not have to be a country we declare war on..we can declare war on bin ladden or on specific terrorist groups or even a govt without ever declaring war on the country itself. Just an interesting thing i heared yesterday, couldnt telly ou where sorry.