The Pledge of Allegiance

[OC]

I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.
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[Speedfreak]

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[Cheesypuff]

Originally posted by overclocked
I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.
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U S A

[DoPeY5007]

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:cool:

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[Mike_N_Ike]

Originally posted by overclocked
I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.
http://www.jeffharbert.com/flag.gif

God bless America, land that I love.

[The Happy Squirrel]

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from sea to shining sea

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and who can forget:
R-O-C-K IN THE U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[attgig]

wow, wasn't since elementary school that i said that on a daily basis...

why don't kids do that anymore???
or was it just my messed up experience, and most kids do...

[The Happy Squirrel]

its illegal to make em say it in a public school now

private is dictated by school policy

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel
its illegal to make em say it in a public school now

private is dictated by school policy


Fine. You are excused, THS. :D

[nomoney]

I cant believe it is illegal to say the pledge in school. If you are a citizen of the USA and you are not willing to pledge allegiance then you should not be here. If anyone knows anyone like this, let me know and I will be glad to do everything I can to get them out of the country as long as they promise never to come back. That kind of crap makes me sick.

I think that the pledge should still be said in school and if there is a student who objects then that student should sit at their desk with their head down out of respect to those that are glad to be here.

PS: Dont flame me about the kids that are not citizens. I am not talking about them.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by PsillyPyro
I cant believe it is illegal to say the pledge in school. If you are a citizen of the USA and you are not willing to pledge allegiance then you should not be here. If anyone knows anyone like this, let me know and I will be glad to do everything I can to get them out of the country as long as they promise never to come back. That kind of crap makes me sick.

I think that the pledge should still be said in school and if there is a student who objects then that student should sit at their desk with their head down out of respect to those that are glad to be here.

PS: Dont flame me about the kids that are not citizens. I am not talking about them.

I totally agree. It should be part of the curriculum. You have to go to school and you have to say the pledge.

[revil]

Originally posted by PsillyPyro
PS: Dont flame me about the kids that are not citizens. I am not talking about them.
if i remember correctly, origionally everyone had to say the pledge. but then those who are foriegn citizens complained, and some people said it was against their religion or something. So people were given the option to put their head down. I remember I took this option a couple of times. I remember some of the other kids thinking I was weird, but those who sat next to me knew I was just sleeping through it. I'm not sure if that's exactly how it went. Frankly I don't remember much of my childhood. Anyone know how it actually got banned?

[mojo]

Originally posted by PsillyPyro
I cant believe it is illegal to say the pledge in school. If you are a citizen of the USA and you are not willing to pledge allegiance then you should not be here. If anyone knows anyone like this, let me know and I will be glad to do everything I can to get them out of the country as long as they promise never to come back. That kind of crap makes me sick.

I think that the pledge should still be said in school and if there is a student who objects then that student should sit at their desk with their head down out of respect to those that are glad to be here.

PS: Dont flame me about the kids that are not citizens. I am not talking about them.

let's not forget that there is a separation of church and state. as long as the statement "under god" is in the pledge, it goes against freedom of religion (or abstaining from)

and as long as we are making each other sick, because of this wording, i don't know if children should be compelled to say it. freedom of religion means a lot to me

(realize that i was saying some of this in jest. you don't really make me sick :love2: )
*hey, this post marks my area code....619*

[The Happy Squirrel]

its not illegal to say it
its illegal to force the children to say it as a mass

i guess if one was so inclined, one could stand up and say it on his own and the teacher would ahve to respect that person and give em the 30 seconds nessecary

[theorangeone]

Up until my senior year in high school, we said the Pledge every day. My senior year, they did away with homeroom and with that went the morning anouncements and the pledge.

My spanish teacher my sophomore and senior year (same guy) made us say the pledge every day in spanish-

Juro lealtad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de America y por la republica por la que existe, una nacion bajo dios, indivisible, con libertad y justicia para todos.

When I used to teach swimming lessons, I had the kids repeat it after me while they were treading water. I don't think most of them knew what they were saying tho.

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by PsillyPyro
I cant believe it is illegal to say the pledge in school. If you are a citizen of the USA and you are not willing to pledge allegiance then you should not be here. If anyone knows anyone like this, let me know and I will be glad to do everything I can to get them out of the country as long as they promise never to come back. That kind of crap makes me sick.

I think that the pledge should still be said in school and if there is a student who objects then that student should sit at their desk with their head down out of respect to those that are glad to be here.

PS: Dont flame me about the kids that are not citizens. I am not talking about them.


When I first came to the states, I was saying the pledge...and I wasn't even an US citizen. I did it because all the kids did it. As I grew older, I found it kind of silly for me to do it since I'm not a citizen. I remember being having prayers in the mornings too. I used to do them anyway even though I wasn't Christian. To be quite honest, I didn't really mind either prayers or the pledge of alligiance. I mean, I'm living here in the states, if I don't love this country, i shouldn't be here. Also, praying to God isn't a bad thing either, after all, God is good...God is great.

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by mojorisin


*hey, this post marks my area code....619*

Don't tell me you are a Sandy Eggan? :P

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by theorangeone
Up until my senior year in high school, we said the Pledge every day. My senior year, they did away with homeroom and with that went the morning anouncements and the pledge.


I miss homeroom. :( I thought that was the coolest thing I have ever had...I think it had to do with that fact that I met the cutest girl in my first homeroom experience :P

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Jihforce


Don't tell me you are a Sandy Eggan? :P

Watch it buster. There are a lot of us here...

[Grimm]

Originally posted by mojorisin


let's not forget that there is a separation of church and state. as long as the statement "under god" is in the pledge, it goes against freedom of religion (or abstaining from)

and as long as we are making each other sick, because of this wording, i don't know if children should be compelled to say it. freedom of religion means a lot to me

(realize that i was saying some of this in jest. you don't really make me sick :love2: )
*hey, this post marks my area code....619*

This is not a seperation of church and state issue. It pledge acknowedges that the US was formed by christians and that the basis for our legal system comes from that faith. It does not make any pledges to God or require any faith in that belief system.

If you don't want to take the pledge... leave.
Saying that you can NOT proay in school is a violation of the freedom of speech.

Seperation of church and state is just that. It is not seperation of religion and state. You can still be religious and hold office. You can not attempt to regulate religion or a religiouse organization can not attempt to influence the state (individual members can group together and have that effect though).

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by evilcyclops


Watch it buster. There are a lot of us here...

Dude, take it easy...I went to high school and college there. So I'm technically a Sandy Eggan myself. Except that I need a break from it right now.

[attgig]

Originally posted by Jihforce
When I first came to the states, I was saying the pledge...and I wasn't even an US citizen. I did it because all the kids did it. As I grew older, I found it kind of silly for me to do it since I'm not a citizen. I remember being having prayers in the mornings too. I used to do them anyway even though I wasn't Christian. To be quite honest, I didn't really mind either prayers or the pledge of alligiance. I mean, I'm living here in the states, if I don't love this country, i shouldn't be here. Also, praying to God isn't a bad thing either, after all, God is good...God is great.

Woah, you had prayers in school????
wasn't that banned in the 60's????

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Jihforce


Dude, take it easy...I went to high school and college there. So I'm technically a Sandy Eggan myself. Except that I need a break from it right now.

Ok, ok, I'll call back the hit squads. :P

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by att gig


Woah, you had prayers in school????
wasn't that banned in the 60's????

Oh I didn't mean here in the States, I've been around :P (Alright, take your minds out of the gutter now).
But in Chile, I went to a Franciscan Private school and we had prayers then. That was back in the 80s. At USD, which is a catholic university in San Diego (for those who don't know), we had Friday and Sunday Mass which was open to the public. I only went once. I think forced prayers are wrong, however, I see nothing wrong about having prayers in school. As long as your own belief in your religion is strong, I don't think anyone should be worried about praying in school.

[mojo]

Originally posted by evilcyclops


This is not a seperation of church and state issue. It pledge acknowedges that the US was formed by christians and that the basis for our legal system comes from that faith. It does not make any pledges to God or require any faith in that belief system.

If you don't want to take the pledge... leave.
Saying that you can NOT proay in school is a violation of the freedom of speech.

Seperation of church and state is just that. It is not seperation of religion and state. You can still be religious and hold office. You can not attempt to regulate religion or a religiouse organization can not attempt to influence the state (individual members can group together and have that effect though).

first off, i don't recall saying if i agreed or not. what i said was that there is a mention of god. regardless of the purpose of mentioning god here, some people may find it offensive.

people should be proud to be here and should make a pledge of some sort. i just dont know if it should mention god at all. we should probably lighten up on the whole "if you don't want to take the pledge...leave" thing. there are reasons why the decision was made and we need to consider that.

[Markel]

This all reminds me of a scene from the movie "Billy Jack" where the kids were putting on a play. In it a group is singing the National Anthem and a freak doesn't stand up. They all gang up and beat the #*&% out of him as they continue to sing, finishing as they proudly proclaim "...the land of the free and the home of the brave."

[OC]

I was hoping this would be a more positive and non-antagonistic thread.

-OC

[mojo]

i guess the main point to understand here is that we should all be proud to be here. we should pledge allegiance, regardless of if it is "the pledge of allegiance." i mean, if someone is loyal to the US, what more is there to prove it?

actions speak louder than words, at any rate. i can say the pledge and not be loyal at all to the country. i would rather have a neighbor that doesnt say the words but uses the actions than the other way around