AllAdvantage drops to 15 hours, ups to $0.53

[onalamwar]

this is ridiculous.. first they force you to download the new bar.. then they raise the payout to $30.. so it takes much longer to get paid if you don't have a downline (the majority of people).. and now they limit you to 15 hours?? 4 months to get a check issues? forget about it.. time to check mvalue out...
kar

[INeedAVacation]

looks like the alladvantage ship is sinking; time to abandon ship!! As soo as I have enough hours for my next check I'm going to uninstall them....humm..whats this www.mvalue.com (http://www.mvalue.com) thing? Gonna have to check this out!

[MadCool]

It's because of those damn cheater. Since the advertiser are getting like zero click through from those banners they'll stop advertising on alladvantage. Less money for alladvantage means less money for the users. And seeing that alladvantage is rising it's payout rate and lowering the hours. I just uninstall it from my home and work computer heh!

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[resented]

Found that SoA thing at on DalNet. I hope they catch the f4ckers who are using this program, and for us legitimate people like GotApex and others are now getting screwed. I went to that channel on DalNet and people are getting like 3 and 4k checks. Damn fraudulent use at its best I hope AA goes after them all.



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[jng]

This BLOWS!!! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

[jstreet]

Note: This is specific to members in the US (not inclu. US Territories)

AllAdvantage recently dropped its maximum surfing hours from 25 to 15 (doesn't anyone remember when they said they were going to be upped to 40 soon?) and their measly hour rate compensation (ooh, we're raising rates, we're raising rates!) has just SHOT UP a whole three cents...

So, rather than making a possible $12.50 monthly with no referrals, you can make $7.95. Yip, yip, yippee for us.

[BigB]

It is now official:

AllAdvantage is suck!

[cardinal2k]

Do you still need a minimum of 20.00 to get paid each month ?

Cardinal

[coleslaw]

i haven't been using these make-money-while-surfing thingys because none of them come through. sure alladvantage pays off, but it's not worth the hassle anymore in my opinion.

[jeffwein]

I say we threaten a boycott!

[briguy]

AllAdvantage has been most reliable for me vs. the other guys. I guess it helps to have a few hundred people under you to make some decent money. Too bad we could get spillover from Apex.

[BigB]

June 2000 Global Member Payment Table
YHR DRR ERR MPH POA
United States| 0.53 | 0.1 | 0.05 | 15 | 30 |

YHR = Your Hourly Rate
DRR = Direct Referral Rate
ERR = Extended Referral Rate
MPH = Max Paid Hours
POA = Pay Out Amount

[resented]

Now we can all make a whopping 7.95 a month instead of 12.50. Wow this really sucks ass, my checks are gonna drop by the hundreds. With 240 referrals, thats gonna kill my monthly checks.

GDIT AA, First you extend the check payment period, now you clip the hours. You SUCK!

resented

[MadCool]

WHAT?! Dang now i'll uninstall alladvantage. 7.95 blah! I make more on my website!

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[abatardi]

it's probably due to the new and popular SoA program that came out. that pay - to - surf program definitely works, and it's massive cheating. possible to generate and emulate 1000 accounts at one time.
-abatardi

[Speedfreak]

You have to make $30.00 a month to get a check, now. It went up from $20.

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[free4apc]

the min payout is now $30/month as well...

I'd suggest apex to start using mValue instead of AllAdvantage - its 40hrs/month, 50cents/hr, $20 min payout rate, and the same referral layout as AllAdvantage. Its also a 'surf the web' one, so you only get paid when you have msie/netscape active.

I'm not gonna post my refid here, but if you want to signup, I'm gonna post it in the spam forum http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif maybe Apex will come out with his own refid on the main page soon. He'd get $4/ref per month from mvalue instead of the crap from AllAdvantage now.

Otherwise, just signup at www.mvalue.com (http://www.mvalue.com)

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[grappa]

Hey guys, why don't you just have someone pay you $.50 / hr to stand over your shoulder and make note of EVERY Website you visit, then they can leave and sell the list to other companies. That's all any of these "pay-to-surf" schemes are - a way to make a list of what you visit and make money off selling the list to companies who will then turn around and market you.

Guess who's making the money here?


G

[calaxer19]

I can't believe this.

[free4apc]

Well, this just proves the point that cheating *does* hurt AllAdvantage. I'd sit on IRC and hear all the cheaters that use soa saying that 'cheating doesnt hurt alladvantage because they get money when we get money' and other stupid crap. Well that cheat - SOA - doesnt click on any banners and stuff, so the ad people actually LOSE revenue because they see a decrease in the amount of clickthroughs and visitors to their site, hence they stop using AllAdvantage to post their banners.

I wish they would find a way to catch this SOA crap and fix their pay rates.

CashSurfers is pretty much in the same boat. Their points tripled in one month and the pay rate went from 29cents/hr to 12cents/hr because of an emulator that came out and all these cheaters used it.

Now that AllAdvantage got hit too, people will just find another pay2surf place to attack and cheat until it dies as well. Its the American (and canadian) way - to get money you must screw over the people that have money, by any means necessary.

go America! (and yes, I am American, living in the US)

[loup]

man this sucks... now i gotta wait alittle longer for em checks... man what a bummer....

[fsck]

those pieces of u know what... time to remove aa from my puter. they suck!

[tadow]

damn, that means if u have a weak downline, you have to wait like 4-5 months to get a single check...how lame...

[CiViC]

No way, they're getting $3-$4k checks? Wow..that'd rule, i'd be able to pay for my car in a matter of months with no work at all..of course, the downside is I could get caught/arrested/put in jail for the rest of my life, so i'll pass..

[makm]

hey Ben, you sure about this? how you know? i checked their web site and their current rates are still the same thing, nothing seems to change. I'll be keeping this updated once I can get into my stupid account.

[MadCool]

Ben?! Whose Ben?

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[MaStAYoDA1]

he's referring to the initial poster

[Supox]

Look at their Global Payout Rates Table. If you look at the United States payout it says that the max hours are 15 and the payout is $.53/hr.

[ProMinx]

these guys are really starting to blow howler monkey nuts
ProMinx

[jstreet]

Yeah, I'm sure - they sent all customers and e-mail, apparently, and I think they said it was also on their website... hold on I'll check...

::several minutes later::

Yup, they put up the Global Payment Table at http://www.alladvantage.com/global_pay.asp - I guess the reason that they still have their old rates up on the Current Rates pages underneath some other stuff is that those rates are still applicable for May (and maybe June? I'm not sure). I am, at any rate, going to write them a letter expressing my concern at being forced to download software (that doesn't work - the green light rarely goes on and I frequently suffer from the keyboard input error that they're well aware of but have yet to fix - you type, and about half of what you press gets "actually" typed), then having the payment period upped to 30 hours and the maximum hours dumped to 15, while they can cheekily say "WE RAISED RATES!" at the same time.

[jstreet]

I just mailed this to them - I suggest you all do the same.

Dear AllAdvantage,

Recently, I have been so concerned with your company's actions and methods that I have signed up with another similar provider and tested them to see how they compare. MVALUE, one of your competitors, provides many benefits that I just don't see AllAdvantage providing.

I'll go in to detail as to what has caused me to switch: A short time ago, your company decided it would be necessary to force people to download your new Viewbar. While I agree that it looks cooler than the old one, that is it's only redeeming feature. It: crashes frequently when opened, rarely indicates that I am actively surfing (even if I *am*, regardless of using Netscape or IE), and most maddeningly, when the bar is open the system doesn't work right - Alt-Tab, the keystrokes that let you switch between two applications, often switches you to the Viewbar rather than the application you were previously using. The other major bug that your tech support addressed is the keyboard input error - while the bar's open, it's just a waste of time to try to write e-mail, sign up on web forms, to send instant messages to friends, because only about half of what I type goes in. Forcing people to upgrade to an inherently buggy piece of software is just silly! The typing error *alone* has made me shy away from the software. The final problem, not involved with the software, are your payment practices - upping the "check limit" to $30 was aggravating enough, because it meant I'd be getting a check maybe once every 2 months, but now, you've limited to maximum hours to 15 as well? When I signed up, the maximum number of hours were 25 WITH A STRONG "HINT" that things would be going to 40 hours soon. By upping the check limit, lowering the maximum hours, and then parading a rate increase of $0.03, which is frankly insulting to the consumer who can't make $12.50 but rather only $7.95 a month, you are going to *lose customers*.

You've lost me to MVALUE, a company that pays your old rates, plus an additional referral tier, has a check limit of $20 and a maximum hour limit of 40, and I strongly suggest you take a look around at public opinion - here's one forum where people have gotten pretty angry: http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001723.html

I'm sorry to not be an active participant anymore, but what with non-functional software and much lower monthly pay, your service isn't nearly as enticing as it once was.

-Ben Williams

[JIWC]

nicely said.....

[tadow]

has anyone used or gotten a check from mvalue?

[free4apc]

AllAdvantage still has one good thing going for it - they pay in the LOCAL CURRENCY of A LOT of different countries. Most of the Pay2Surf places either stick to US only (mValue) or send checks in US Funds to the other countries - which sometimes can cost more to cash the check than the check is worth.

I'm in the US, so of course this new thing they've done sucks. But if you're in a country where the only Pay2Surf company that pays in your local currency is AllAdvantage, you'll either work a lot harder to get referrals, or you'll just cheat more with SoA. Either way it'll bring the head count up in that country for AllAdvantage.

As for me, I'm just gonna support mValue more on my web page and when I talk to people, since I dont usually talk to many people outside the US.

[free4apc]

Here's (http://www.refmaker.com/checks/MVZ.jpg) a scan of someone's check from mValue. I should get a check from them in a couple weeks.

They just raised their hours to 40 last month so not many people have been using it before then.

[MadCool]

Wow nicely put. I email them saying i Quit your lame ass service. Is Mvalue really better than alladvantage?

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[free4apc]

For US Residents, I'd have to say yes mValue is better. It pays $20/month without any referrals, and you get your checks the same time you *used* to get them from AllAdvantage.

If you aren't in the US, then unless there's a Pay2Surf Company thats is unique to your country (there's a couple for Australia) then you should stick with AllAdvantage for now, since most other Pay2Surf places dont pay in local currencies.

[makm]

ok, now i believe alladvantage suck. i looked in the current rates not global. thanx

[onalamwar]

mvalue has a much better payout than alladvantage now.. i've been using them for a while now.. they used to only pay for 5 or 10 hours but now its up to 40 hours which makes it worth using. i had been using the privacy function of it instead of the ad bar when it was at a lower payout.. now that they pay you for up to 40, i'm gonna use it as an ad bar too..
kar

[nfarzan]

has anybody gotten any money through MExchange?

[Jau]

AllAdvantage is SUCK!!!

[Panda_Demon]

AllAdvantage does suck. But is it possible to use AllAdvantage, and Mvalue at the same time????

[honolii]

http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif is anyone else having trouble with mValue's server going down. Seems like I am not earning more than I am. When I relogin it sometimes works and other times it won't log on - shades of AllAdvantage????

[This message has been edited by honolii (edited 06-02-2000).]

[Panda_Demon]

I'm having the same problem too. . sob sob.

[MadCool]

That's not a good sign! Dang.. screw these pay2surf programs!

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[makm]

please don't use that bad grammar phrase from anandtech here. we don't need any influence from anandtech.

[jstreet]

A nice woman named Mary from AllAdvantage wrote me today:

To: Ben Williams <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: My concern with your company's latest actions. (KMM4858422C0KM)

Hello Ben,


Thank you for writing AllAdvantage.com. We are always happy to hear from our members.
We welcome comparisons between AllAdvantage.com and any other company offering a Viewbar-like service.


When you're evaluating us and our competition, consider:


* The growth of our community (fastest-growing in Internet history, soon to be active in over 20 countries)
* Our successful delivery on our promises to pay, and to pay at a specific rate
* The continuing upgrades to our software offering, adding value and functionality at every turn
* The breadth and depth of the management, engineering, community, and administrative talent we're bringing to bear for your benefit
* And the value we deliver to our sponsors and members alike


You make the choice.


Your valuable input is welcome. If you have any other issues that have not been addressed by this email, please contact us at http://www.alladvantage.com/questionform.asp We appreciate your support and interest in AllAdvantage.com.


Regards,
Mary
Member Services Representative

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And, if I were to write back, I'd most likely say something to the effect of, "Well Mary, to tell you the truth, I'm glad you're all the things you say you are above, by mValue works, pays more, and pays more quickly. Sorry."

[TaffyCD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cardinal2k:
Do you still need a minimum of 20.00 to get paid each month ?

Cardinal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No the minimum payout now is $30.00 USD .. AllAdvantage sucks now.. you know there loosing money from everyone using SoA Aka:Sisterhood Of Angels, considerig i hear that it does not work anymore!

[Sprinterp]

This Blows, just as I was getting my Referrls up Screw them and there TOOL BAR

Nice Letter Very well put !

[colossus]

I'm running both mValue and AllAdvantage as I type, and only mValue is registering me as being active. I can't get mad at them though because they're paying us, and honestly I'm not clicking any of their ads.

I've been with mValue since January, so I got my first check recently. They dropped about 200 hours of mine and my referrals for about 1.5 months, but they seem to be registering accurately now and I'm not having any problems with their server even on dial up.

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[Panda_Demon]

I noticed MValue has a point system. . . what is that for? I looked around the site, I can't seem to find what you can use those points for. Can someone tell me?

[distraught]

the points are maybe going to be used for credit in an online mvalue store or something. they don't really have any use for them right now, but maybe in the future they will.

[MadCool]

I receive the same email! They're wack!

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[Panda_Demon]

thanks for answering my question, distraught

[AndrewLChang]

Well, the MValue thing sounds good, but I'd hate to sign up w/o giving someone referral credit. Email me your id (anyone) and I'll sign up under you.

[email protected]