War Imminent? What would you do? Answer these questions...

[brainsmile]

Since it seems that the US is determined to go to war, here are some questions to ponder.

1. Who do you think we should go to war against?

2. How do you think that we'll go about the war?

3. If there is an official declaration, would you go enlist?

4. Do you think there would be a draft?

[TheLoneGunman]

1. Terrorists and those that give them comfort and support. This should not be limited to those in Bin Laden's group. We can work with groups and countries around the world to deal with it. After all, one of the hijackers was a terrorist who also bombed a bus in Israel. Had we had a tougher line and not asked Israel to back down, he would not have been alive to hijack anything.

2. Likely in a stupid, disjointed fashion that will solve very little. Sorry to be so cynical, but that is what experience tells me. George Bush, Sr. Had the chance to roll into Baghdad and eliminate Sadaam and he didn't. As a result, 10 years later, we are STILL screwing around over there, getting planes shot down, etc. It was also our continued presence there at upset others. In Korea and in Vietnam, and even the "War on Drugs" we have failed to achieve significant objectives.

3. Not eligible in any way. They have already rejected (I believe the official comment was "Yeah, right!"

4. There already is "draft registration" Likely no need to draft, simply re-deploy present forces and call up some strategic reserves. Also, simply fail to reduce some of the force strengths that were already planned.

[Burzhui]

Planes are cool :)

[Burzhui]

1. You know what i think so i will not say anything that will upset otherws *cough*welfareloser*cough*

2. If they start picking between who's innocent and who isn't we will lose a lot of people and this war will mean nothing. Either bomb whole countries or don't bomb at all.

3. If uncle Sam needs me.... i'll go to his bakery (corny:D)... if the US needs me then i'll go.

4. if we go to war with the 5 countries which US is plannng to bomb, and then start a war with them then there will have to be a draft, otherwise no.

ANd how many times do i have to stress this people NEUTRON BOMBS... they will solve the problems of retaliation against US.

i.e. no one alive=no retaliation

[brainsmile]

well I would doubt that we would have a draft.

[sho.gun]

About the draft... what if you're a permanent citizen of the US, meaning not an American citizen, can you still go?

[Speedfreak]

1. Anyone involved in the evil in NYC.

2. I would hope it would be a way that wouldn't lose anymore American lives. We have lost too many already .

3. Not sure.

4. I don't think there would be a need. If it got big enough to need one, then I would seriously consider enlisting. I don't think it will be that big.

[mojo]

planes are cool....but all the good pilots are from the navy :D

[cruelpupet]

1. Who do you think we should go to war against?

It doesnt matter if Bin Ladden is responsible or not...he is responsible for many other crimes. (Embassy Bombing, World Trade back a few years ago, and that ship)


2. How do you think that we'll go about the war?

The way we always do...with superior technology (see Q4 for full answer.)


3. If there is an official declaration, would you go enlist?

There is no need to enlist, and if there is, it would only be to do a room by room search for Bin Laden (Also see Q4 for more details.)


4. Do you think there would be a draft?

There is no real need for a draft, not in the sense that most people think of the word. We only need one person per jet/plane, and even then we have unmanned aircraft. What Bin Laden, Iraq, and others are upset about, is that we dont fight "fair", we don't fight where they can see us. For example, lets look at the Gulf War (Gulf Spat, as I call it)

We used Stealth fighters to take out major radar stations so they could not see us. By the time Anti-air support (Iraq's) even sees us, it's too late...our planes have come and gone.

What they ended up doing...and this is really funny...is they started using hand artillary (guns) and fired them up in the sky at us.

As for the real Anti-Air artillary, we would send in a dummy plane, and they would fire at that, while we came in from another direction and bombed the targets.

Now when it comes to being fired at with real Anti-air stuff (missles), we handle that pretty easily. We fortunatly have a ****load of money to put into designing our planes, and our missles. Much more than countries like Iraq and Afghanastan have. Our jets don't wait for the pilot to make a correction, when the plane senses a missle comming it adjusts the flight plan for the pilot, and it makes the correction faster than the missle being fired at us can.

So far this takes care of what we know about. There are a few other things you have to remember.....

We developed the Stealth Fighter in the 60's. Thats why it had flat sides, compared to the curved surfaces of the new bombers. The computers back then couldnt handle doing calcualtions on curved surfaces, to keep it stealth.

So we had designed the Stealth by the 60's and had it produced and flying by the very early 80's. IT WASNT RELEASED UNTIL THE 90's!!!! WTF do you think we have now!?!

We just openly tested the 'Scram Jet Engine' an engine that goes well over 8000km per hour, and its fuel is our atmosphere (so its pollution free). So its speed is roughly Mach 8 on a plane, at Mach 9 the human body passes out (you have to train for these speeds, cause all the blood goes to your feet.) So if we figure it goes Mach 8 on a plane, that **** has to be at least going Mach 9 or Mach 10 on a missle (lighter payload, more streamlined design.)

Keep in mind...the Scram Jet engine was disclosed! We definatly have stuff that is not. Our Scram Jet engine, is also on an unmaned plane "one of only 3 prototypes" <--- BULL S*** We have more than that for unmaned planes.



So in closing, our technology is well beyond theres...We dont put troops on the field untill the place (threat) has been throughly bombed...therefor we dont need a draft...and we dont need to worry about a war situation.

[cruelpupet]

We could solve the whole war thing, by just asking Bill Gates to BUY AFGHANASTAN! I'm serious....in '97 Afghanastan's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) was 20 Billion. The average salary was about $800.00

This info provided by my roomate and a record book of his.

[brainsmile]

be that as it may... I don't think that country is for sale.

[poiselle]

Technology will not win a war. The effectiveness of our airstrikes in both Desert Storm and Bosnia? (whichever former part of Yugoslavia we hit) were overstated. They admit the hit percentages went way down. That does not mean we can't use air power effectively especially for a low intensity conflict like this, but don't assume that we can beat a county into submission with air power alone. We still sent troops in after the air power. Wars are won on the ground. This is not going to be a typical war though. It sounds like it will be a protracted series of strikes in multiple nations, combined with police action. The draft will not need to be implemented unless we do something crazy like invade Afghanistan.

[Nanotech9]

im the pilot type myself, adn i think you should change your poll to:

Airforce, cause I wanna kick some bogie booty.

cause "planes are cool" just aint AIRFORCELIKE. :P

[cruelpupet]

Originally posted by poiselle
Technology will not win a war. The effectiveness of our airstrikes in both Desert Storm and Bosnia? (whichever former part of Yugoslavia we hit) were overstated. They admit the hit percentages went way down. That does not mean we can't use air power effectively especially for a low intensity conflict like this, but don't assume that we can beat a county into submission with air power alone. We still sent troops in after the air power. Wars are won on the ground. This is not going to be a typical war though. It sounds like it will be a protracted series of strikes in multiple nations, combined with police action. The draft will not need to be implemented unless we do something crazy like invade Afghanistan.


Your right...but i was refering to war declared against a country....and no airforce does not do it all..but they are the first in....then we send in tanks and troops (for clean up).

My post was long enough...i didnt want to extend it by talking about some of our cool tank weaponry (depleted uranium rounds), or the computer systems behind it, that keep the tanks weapons on target while moving over extremely bumpy terrain from over 3 miles away.

[brainsmile]

well what do you expect from a civillian???




Originally posted by Nanotech9
im the pilot type myself, adn i think you should change your poll to:

Airforce, cause I wanna kick some bogie booty.

cause "planes are cool" just aint AIRFORCELIKE. :P :bigmouth: :angel: :eek:

[Chomsky Reader]

Your right...but i was refering to war declared against a country....and no airforce does not do it all..but they are the first in....then we send in tanks and troops (for clean up).

My post was long enough...i didnt want to extend it by talking about some of our cool tank weaponry (depleted uranium rounds), or the computer systems behind it, that keep the tanks weapons on target while moving over extremely bumpy terrain from over 3 miles away.
"cool tank weaponry (depleted uranium rounds)" The same cool tank weaponry that is reponsible for Gulf War Sydrome, thousands of tons of radioactive material spread all over Iraq, deformed and stillborn Iraqi children, over a thousand soldiers treated for exposure to Depleted Uranium, but the gorvernment will still not say that it is harmful to the troops or anyone else despite over 40 years of clear evidence. Thanks for the cool stuff....

[LegendKiller]

"cool tank weaponry (depleted uranium rounds)" The same cool tank weaponry that is reponsible for Gulf War Sydrome, thousands of tons of radioactive material spread all over Iraq, deformed and stillborn Iraqi children, over a thousand soldiers treated for exposure to Depleted Uranium, but the gorvernment will still not say that it is harmful to the troops or anyone else despite over 40 years of clear evidence. Thanks for the cool stuff....


ANOTHER thread? Can I hear "Ban" coming?

DU has NEVER been linked to ANYTHING remotely connected to GWS. Furthermore, the radiation in DU hasn't been conclusively proven to cause birth defects. For all we know good ole saddam was using his own people to test stuff.

Lastly, DU has been proven to be very low in radiation content.

Stop digging up old threads.


LK

[Burzhui]

"cool tank weaponry (depleted uranium rounds)" The same cool tank weaponry that is reponsible for Gulf War Sydrome, thousands of tons of radioactive material spread all over Iraq, deformed and stillborn Iraqi children, over a thousand soldiers treated for exposure to Depleted Uranium, but the gorvernment will still not say that it is harmful to the troops or anyone else despite over 40 years of clear evidence. Thanks for the cool stuff....


what's wrong with you boy?

YOu have no idea how fast you'll be banned if you keep bringing up 3 year old threads

[johnnymk]

I would love to see the thread where everyone was saying "Kill the bast...." and then the thread where Muslims are basically peace loving people.

[Jihforce]

I must have completely overlooked this thread three years ago cuz i never voted :P

[guiseppewv]

Although, I think there should be an Al Gore category....in the rear with the gear b/c I want to be president someday :rolleyes:, I voted for the Navy. I don't think I would be too good on the ground with either the Marines or the Army, unless I was in an Armored Div. Being an engineer I would want to be somewhere were I could put my skills to good use.


I must have completely overlooked this thread three years ago cuz i never voted :P

Me either. :)

[gear02]

Although, I think there should be an Al Gore category....in the rear with the gear b/c I want to be president someday :rolleyes:,

how did I get into this conversation? :D

[zenbooty]

Although, I think there should be an Al Gore category....in the rear with the gear b/c I want to be president someday :rolleyes:, This is fun! How 'bout the G Dubya category...Back Home guarding the Texas Skies b/c I want to be president someday. Or Dick Cheney: Deferred with the rest of the privileged because I want to make wars, not fight them, someday...

And the list goes on...

[ray]

Put me on the frontline with the Marines.

[Cantacuzene]

It depends if it was a legitimate war. As in an unprovoked, defensive war. If thats the case and they were desperately short of officers I would go to OCS for any branch except Air Force.

If the war was about imperial conquest, like the Iraq War, the government can find someone else to help make the world a worse place.

[brainsmile]

why is it that you would not like to go Air Force?

[Cantacuzene]

I'm too tall to fly in a plane, and I wouldn't want to be sitting in an office.

[ialsohaveadream]

Jeez, nevermind. I responded to the questions like, "What the hell are you talking about? We've got our hands full in Iraq right now." I didn't bother to look at the original post date. :)

[CynJon]

SNIP

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/goldceremonialshovel.jpg


Congrats! :cheers:

[ShawnLee]

http://www.littleboyinc.com/uploader/uploads/goldceremonialshovel.jpg


Congrats! :cheers::stupid:

[bachviet]

I would join the Army since I enlisted in the Army Reserve for 6 years.

I don't think I could hand the Marines and I definitely don't want to be in the AF.

[brainsmile]

I'm not sure what the shovel is supposed to mean...

[eSDee]

Definitely back in the ARMY for me. The best balance of hooah and brains of the branches in my opinion.

[CynJon]

I'm not sure what the shovel is supposed to mean...


He's been nominated for the DoPeY5007 Golden shovel award! :)

[ShawnLee]

Definitely back in the ARMY for me. The best balance of hooah and brains of the branches in my opinion.:stupid:
I want to work in a good combat unit next. Being in a hospital bugged. Maybe I'll start out easy at like an Air Defense Artillery unit, and then go into a Cav unit or something.

[bachviet]

:stupid:
I want to work in a good combat unit next. Being in a hospital bugged. Maybe I'll start out easy at like an Air Defense Artillery unit, and then go into a Cav unit or something.
Like jumping out of helicopter huh???

[ShawnLee]

Like jumping out of helicopter huh???
Shoot, if I could work at a Ranger unit? Dude... That said, I doubt it'd happen.

[kimchicowboy]

Shoot, if I could work at a Ranger unit? Dude... That said, I doubt it'd happen.
you could be the coffee boy. :hehehmm:

[Cantacuzene]

All I know is, if I'm ever in the army I'm staying the hell away from helicopters. Those things are sitting duck death traps.

[LegendKiller]

All I know is, if I'm ever in the army I'm staying the hell away from helicopters. Those things are sitting duck death traps.

Heh, this is a pretty silly statement. The % of riders in helo's that are killed or injured is VERY small. Considering that some choppers have a couple ten thousand hours on them and still do not fail.


LK

[Cantacuzene]

I'm talking more about the ones that are taken down by RPGs. It seems like once a month you hear about a marine copter going down taking everyone on board with it.

[ShawnLee]

Eh, helos are fairly safe. Even hit with fire. LK's right, you need to look at the percentage of helicopters flying and exposed to fire vs. the number that go down.

[LegendKiller]

I'm talking more about the ones that are taken down by RPGs. It seems like once a month you hear about a marine copter going down taking everyone on board with it.


How many Helo's are flying per day? How many get shot at and are ok? How many soldiers are transported per day?


I mean, sure they go down, but it seems a lot more common than it really is. Hell, its not news to report "Well, today there were 300 helicopter flights, that makes 9000 in the last month that our soldiers enjoyed while eating peanuts and drinking coke".

Its "FIVE MARINES KILLED IN FREAK RPG INCIDENT, LOCAL PERSON KILLED, NEWS AT 5"

Gotta love the media.


LK

[ialsohaveadream]

This brings up a debate I once had in a DC newsroom (sadly, it was another terribly boring day of rehashing Lewinsky matters):

The claim is that you're much safer in a plane than in a car. However, does that claim take into account the amount of time you spend flying relative to time you drive? For instance, in a typical year, I'll fly maybe twice, whereas I'll spend hours upon hours in my car. I've never seen any stats on this. Anyone that can settle this argument?

[LegendKiller]

This brings up a debate I once had in a DC newsroom (sadly, it was another terribly boring day of rehashing Lewinsky matters):

The claim is that you're much safer in a plane than in a car. However, does that claim take into account the amount of time you spend flying relative to time you drive? For instance, in a typical year, I'll fly maybe twice, whereas I'll spend hours upon hours in my car. I've never seen any stats on this. Anyone that can settle this argument?



You need to look at the accidents per traveler, or even accidents per hour traveled.


If you had 1000 travelers in a year with 100 accidents, that would indicated 10% accident rate.

However, if we wanted to make this truly accurate, we would figure # of accidents per cumulative travel hour.

For example, if those same 1k travelers spent 10 hours traveling, then they would have 10,000 travel hours, but only 1% accident rate.

However, I still think that cars are MUCH more likely to result in fatalities.


You could look at it any number of ways, any of which could spin it a different way. That is one problem with studies, they often look at it in one way which supports the efforts of the study's funders.

LK

[bachviet]

Helicopters are pretty safe but I ain't taking the Black Hawk. Give me an Apache and I ride it everyday. :hihi:

[ShawnLee]

Actually, the Blackhawk has a much better record than the Apache. My friend used to call the Apache the deathtrap. But I think that has more to do with the fact that a Blackhawk pilot will spend a lot more time practicing on a Blackhawk than an Apache pilot will do in his bird.

[eSDee]

My ex- girlfriend in the ARMY went down in a Chinook. She survived because luckily the blades didn't tear through the body of the helicopter, but it was an incredible experience for her. I flew in the same model helicopter when I was in Haiti, and that's all I could think about the first few times. After a while though I got over it.

[cheapie]

All I know is, if I'm ever in the army I'm staying the hell away from helicopters. Those things are sitting duck death traps.


:stupid::stupid::stupid:


no kidding. keep me the heck away from those. especially those freakin' ospreys there were jacking around with.

[zenbooty]

I'd join up with a private mercenary corp. and sell my services to the highest bidder. :shifty:


Either that, or the Army of Darkness....


http://www.the-isz.com/ash/pics11/aod11_6.JPG

[le_stick]

If I have a choice I will take the heads of the state from the contries that about going to war and throw them into a ring and let them whack each other senseless. Whoever won get to hump the other guy's wife/girl friend. Tha will surely prevent them from declare war to each other and send young men and women to dies for them..... :eek3:

[ShawnLee]

My ex- girlfriend in the ARMY went down in a Chinook. She survived because luckily the blades didn't tear through the body of the helicopter, but it was an incredible experience for her. I flew in the same model helicopter when I was in Haiti, and that's all I could think about the first few times. After a while though I got over it.
Chinooks... There aren't many things that can have a midair collision with itself...

[kimchicowboy]

Chinooks... There aren't many things that can have a midair collision with itself...
yeah. i saw one the other day and i immediately was looking for something to duck and cover. hahaha.