Taliban signs their death warrant -- protects Bin laden

[TheLoneGunman]

Just announced.

The Taliban formally refused to turn over Bin Laden.

Therefore, this knowing and deliberate action should be enough to condemn them.

Previous, there might have been a question about their complacency, but now it is clear.

Even if he didn't plan this attack, he did plan other bombings, including the previous one in the WTC.

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
Just announced.

The Taliban formally refused to turn over Bin Laden.

Therefore, this knowing and deliberate action should be enough to condemn them.

Previous, there might have been a question about their complacency, but now it is clear.

Even if he didn't plan this attack, he did plan other bombings, including the previous one in the WTC.
Agreed. But does destroying the Taliban involve destroying Afganistan?

As it's been elsewhere noted, they aren't even the "real" government there. They're just a bunch of guys that stepped into the breach and currently hold the reins.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by pennypinch

Agreed. But does destroying the Taliban involve destroying Afganistan?

As it's been elsewhere noted, they aren't even the "real" government there. They're just a bunch of guys that stepped into the breach and currently hold the reins.

in any case they are the present government....

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by pennypinch

Agreed. But does destroying the Taliban involve destroying Afganistan?

As it's been elsewhere noted, they aren't even the "real" government there. They're just a bunch of guys that stepped into the breach and currently hold the reins.

Is English your native language? :confused:

Who said "destroying Afghanistan"?? Certainly I haven't and this topic has nothing to do with that.

Your second comment is contradictory. Either they are the government or they aren't. This is like me mentioning that since George W didn't get the majority of the popular vote he has no right to control the military or set policy. He is in charge and he is making the rules.

The Taliban was asked nicely, they refused, they knew the consequences and now they should be carried out.

[Butch]

Yet another incident of reporting false developments. I swear, where do you people come up with this "news?" Do you just hear what you want to hear? The Taliban did not say they were not going to turn over Bin Laden, they said they were going to let a "grand council of Islamic clerics" decide whether or not to hand him over. Did you really expect them to just say "OK, here he is" the moment after the Pakistani delegation asked for him?

Of course, they probably won't give him up, but as of now, that has not been determined.

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


Is English your native language? :confused:

Who said "destroying Afghanistan"?? Certainly I haven't and this topic has nothing to do with that.

Your second comment is contradictory. Either they are the government or they aren't. This is like me mentioning that since George W didn't get the majority of the popular vote he has no right to control the military or set policy. He is in charge and he is making the rules.

The Taliban was asked nicely, they refused, they knew the consequences and now they should be carried out.

Well, are we not talking about bombing the shi-at out of Afganistan? Maybe not you, but that course of action is a strong possibility, if not already imminent. Do you have a wider perspective than your personal views?

The key difference between Bush and Mr. Taliban is the method in which they ascended to power. Bush was voted by many of the people in the country. OK, maybe not most, but at least he was elected via the process we'd agreed upon a long time ago.

The Taliban, as far as I can tell, didn't win any vote. Nearby Pakistan registers a puny 5% that support even similarly fundamentalist views. I don't get the sense that a goverment that has a starving populace and no infrastructure whatsoever (not to mention the highest amputee rate per capita in the world) is real popular with the peoples.

I don't think assassinations are better, but they involve killing fewer people that probably don't support these terrorists or the government.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Butch
Yet another incident of reporting false developments. I swear, where do you people come up with this "news?" Do you just hear what you want to hear?

I heard it on Bloomberg TV which I have been watching all morning.

Their story:
Afghanistan Won't Hand Over Bin Laden, Taliban Tells Pakistan Delegation

http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20World%20News&s1=blk&tp=ad_topright_topworld&refer=topworld&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&s2=blk&bt=ad_position1_topfin&middle=ad_frame2_topfin&s=AO6XfaxWGQmluIExh

[Butch]

It means they have refused to hand him over outright. They did not say it was their final word. Their death warrant has not yet been signed . . . although without a doubt, it looks like they pen is about to be put to the paper.

[welfareloser]

at least they made it easy for us, gotta give em that much.

i think i will be happy to see the taliban no longer in power (kinda iffy thing to say when god only knows what's gonna take their place...) afghanistan was really making some big strides in improving their economy, education system, and women's rights before the taliban stepped in...

hopefully all will turn out well.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Butch
It means they have refused to hand him over outright. They did not say it was their final word. Their death warrant has not yet been signed . . .

If you were challenged by the cops and they said "drop the gun or we'll shoot" and you said "well, not now, but maybe later" you would soon find yourself facing a hail of gunfire.

We are not dogs. We cannot have our chain jerked or be led around by the nose by rogue states. We asked nice, they refused. We are done asking and are now ready to act.

[Butch]

Part of the request entailed 72 hours to turn him over. We did not expect anything IMMEDIATE.

[Kenas]

I believe wheather or not Taliban give bin Laden to US(even though I doubt it), US should destroy Taliban.
1)Bin Laden is not the only terrorist that is hiding in Afganistan. Afganistan became like an island for all the terrorist from all the Islamic countries. Some ismalic countries, knowing that they have international terrorists, instead of destroing them, just deport them.
2) Taliban is not accepted as a government by any civilised country in the world.
3) Women in Afganistan live worse then dogs, they should hide their faces, body, they should walk in a certain way and do certain things, those who don't follow the rules get punished (dead). (This info was for female part of G|A )
4) Their destruction of religious statues and such (other then islamic)

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Kenas

3) Women in Afganistan live worse then dogs, they should hide their faces, body, they should walk in a certain way and do certain things, those who don't follow the rules get punished (dead). (This info was for female part of G|A )

well, the dudes should care too... :P

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


I heard it on Bloomberg TV which I have been watching all morning.

Their story:

http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20World%20News&s1=blk&tp=ad_topright_topworld&refer=topworld&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&s2=blk&bt=ad_position1_topfin&middle=ad_frame2_topfin&s=AO6XfaxWGQmluIExh

I have to second that, i laso saw that on NTV

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser


well, the dudes should care too... :P

the dudes there are perfectly happy with that

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui


the dudes there are perfectly happy with that

not all of them. probly not even most of them.

[Butch]

The men there are also required to maintain a particular appearance. They must all wear long beards, among other things.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Butch
Part of the request entailed 72 hours to turn him over. We did not expect anything IMMEDIATE.

Colin Powell just specifically told me that the 72 hours was NOT his deadline. He wanted Osama NOW. It was possibly Pakistan that made up the 72 hour figure.

Colin said that "[bin laden] was a "guest" in Afghanistan and now it is time for that guest to leave"

BTW, I think he was telling this to the rest of the world too and not just me.

[TheLoneGunman]

The latest from the Taliban (They are waging war on US!):


"I would like to tell my people that our jihad will be formally resuming against the Americans," Mullah Mohammad Hasan Akhond, deputy chairman of the Taliban Council of Ministers, said in a radio speech monitored by several news agencies.

Entire story -- http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN.html

It's one thing to be on the wrong side, it's quite another threaten the government that is considering bombing you back to the stone age.

So long, farewell, auf windersohn, goodbye! (You ARE the weakest link)

[eSDee]

They didn't sign it yet, they're just pulling the cap off their pen. By tomorrow they'll have their reading glasses on, and 2 days from now they will sign it.

By the way TLG its Auf Weidersen.

[welfareloser]

...auf wiedersehen... ;)

[eSDee]

Originally posted by welfareloser
...auf wiedersehen... ;)

Hehe you got me that's the correct spelling alright Welfare. You'll have to forgive me I used to live in the hood part of Germany. Mayo on our fries? Hell no we eat em plain!:D