Please sign my Bin Laden petition

[TheLoneGunman]

I think it is essential that we rename Osama Bin laden.

Please read my petition and then sign it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/Rename1/petition.html

Thanks.

When you are done, feel free to sign the petition to get the Congressional Medal of Honor for the people on the flight that crashed instead of destroying the White House:
http://www.petitiononline.com/Flight93/petition.html

[froggystyle]

was there ever a definitive answer as to wether or not the pennsyvania crash occured do to a resistance of pilot error? ive been waiting to hear a definitive andswer but have not yet heared

[TheLoneGunman]

Well a number of relatives mentioned similar cell phone calls and background noises. I think the voice recorder from that flight was destroyed/damaged

[Burzhui]

It's kind of weird don't you think that, o all of those crashes the black box was either completely destroyed, is only partially functional or has been lost alltogether, whereas on other flights, at any other time, the black boxes don't suffer that much damamge

[pennypinch]

That's true. I mean, apparently, that plane ended up in many tiny pieces, leading one to the suspicion that it was less crashed than blown up, either by internal or external forces. I mean, it WAS the last plane they were aware of, and they knew planes were being crashed into buildings. Could be they just shot it down (as Bush authorized) or maybe the terrorists actually DID have a bomb, and felt they'd rather take 60 people with them if they were going to lose control of the plane.

I don't know. The disappearance of the black boxes is might strange, given the violent nature of aircraft crashes generally; Burzhui is right in that they usually somehow manage to find that thing!

Lends more credence to my conspiracy theory. :)

[TheLoneGunman]

More logical explanation:

Most planes are DE-celerating as they crash (i.e. the pilot is trying to reduce speed and LAND instead of crashing. In other cases, like when an engine or wing falls off, the plane has no choice but to reduce speed).

In this case, they appear to have hit at full speed (about 500 mph) and it seems only the controls were affected (i.e. directed into the ground)

That is such a massive impact, I would not expect much to survive. They said the largest thing recoverable was less than 4" square. No body parts, no significant plane pieces.

[Burzhui]

I don't think they hada bomb, i mean security in airports would get that right away, when was the last time someone snuck a bomb on a plane anyway, as for being shot down it wouldn't have ended up in many different pieces...

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by Burzhui
when was the last time someone snuck a bomb on a plane anyway

A few days ago.

The FAA is constantly doing this as a test and airlines frequently fail.

American Airlines and Logan Airport were both fined HEAVILY for massive security violations just before Sept 11

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
More logical explanation:

Most planes are DE-celerating as they crash (i.e. the pilot is trying to reduce speed and LAND instead of crashing. In other cases, like when an engine or wing falls off, the plane has no choice but to reduce speed).

In this case, they appear to have hit at full speed (about 500 mph) and it seems only the controls were affected (i.e. directed into the ground)

That is such a massive impact, I would not expect much to survive. They said the largest thing recoverable was less than 4" square. No body parts, no significant plane pieces.
That would be a better explaination of it... however still body parts couldn't have just dissapeared, and even though there was such an huge impact something had to servive, usually the tail of the plain or at least a large portion of it, so it's still very odd , it's like the plan went through a blender or a food processor or something

[Speedfreak]

Don't rename him. Don't make him a household name. Don't make it easier for people to refer to him. **** him.

[TheLoneGunman]

Voice recorder might work after all.

They are transcribing it now:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010919/ts/attack_pennsylvania_box_dc.html

[BrewMaster]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
I think it is essential that we rename Osama Bin laden.

Please read my petition and then sign it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/Rename1/petition.html


This is the stupiest thing I've ever read. Sorry TLG.

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by BrewMaster
This is the stupiest thing I've ever read. Sorry TLG.

That was my point!!

It is a parody. It was based on a different "sign my petition to change the name" thread earlier

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman


That was my point!!

It is a parody. It was based on a different "sign my petition to change the name" thread earlier

Oh leave him be, he lacks what we like to call a sense of humor

[Kenas]

Originally posted by Burzhui
It's kind of weird don't you think that, o all of those crashes the black box was either completely destroyed, is only partially functional or has been lost alltogether, whereas on other flights, at any other time, the black boxes don't suffer that much damamge

It is possible that FBI does not want media to know what was recorded, maybe some evidence or something. If they do do that, I think it is right move. I sometimes think America has too much democracy, that is what's killing it. Terrorists have no problems find targets. Some thing just have to be kept out of sight of regular people.

[OC]

Originally posted by TheLoneGunman
That was my point!!

It is a parody. It was based on a different "sign my petition to change the name" thread earlier

TLG, you are one first-class jerk.

-OC

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui

That would be a better explaination of it... however still body parts couldn't have just dissapeared

you get em hot enough long enough, all you have left is water, carbon dioxide, and small amounts of greasy ash with only thier fluoride content to give you a clue that it was ever calcified tissue in the first place...

anyone know what the black boxes are made of, what size, how thick, where they are stored?

[Markel]

Originally posted by welfareloser
anyone know what the black boxes are made of, what size, how thick, where they are stored?
Someone posted this pointer in another thread:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/black-box.htm

[tupacboy]

i think the plane was blown up by a missle or something... i mean come on... everything was destroyed... we have seen hundreds of plane crashes and in all of them there were large pieces of the plane that could be found... and remember when the space shuttle blew up... that's more explosive fuel (i would think) and that even had large chunks... i dunno... just my thoughts...

[TheLoneGunman]

Originally posted by overclocked


TLG, you are one first-class jerk.

-OC

Perhaps you are right, however, people have actually signed this petition. I wonder if the State Dept. would consider it. Likely they will create a committee and sponsor a junket to the Bahamas to discuss.

[clutchy]

A missile? are you nuts? seriously you think our government has those kindof response times... yeah right. Plus the fact that if it was hit by a "missile" there would be a whole lot more left of the plane than if the damn thing crashed into the ground.

I think some people fail to realize the forces involved in an impact of that magnitude.

and the renaming thing is lame...