WelfareLoser, wot is wrong with protein diet?

[Two Cents]

I have gained 15+ pounds in the last two months from drinking protein drinks...if I'm going to die painfully at 40, I want to know why...and why the hell is Schwarnegger (sp?) still alive then?

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Two Cents
I have gained 15+ pounds in the last two months from drinking protein drinks...if I'm going to die painfully at 40, I want to know why...and why the hell is Schwarnegger (sp?) still alive then?

Protein drinks mess up your digestive system in the long run. You're better off eating foods high in protein (assuming you have the time to make it).

[Two Cents]

That's all I needed to know...no more protein drinks...Thanks Jihforce

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Two Cents
That's all I needed to know...no more protein drinks...Thanks Jihforce

umm, no, that's dead wrong. protein is hard on the body, period. you can only digest about 15% of what you ingest, and the rest tears through your liver, kidneys, etc. if you suddenly up your protein intake to 60-70% of your daily calories (as protein diets have you do) instead of the normal 10-15%, you are putting 4-7 times the wear on all the systems of your body that have to deal with protein. people tout things like "it's never been proven to cause harm in humans" but they can do that because no long-term studies have been done on humans. the longest-running protein diet study i've ever seen was 5 years. not long enough.

of course you lose weight on a protein diet. since you can only digest such a small amount of it, it is a starvation diet. bad.

if you look at studies in other mammals, you can find hundreds of awful things that fall apart within the equivalent of twenty human years. and if humans resemble animals as closely in this as they do in every other nutritional study (and i am 99.99% sure they would)this is exactly what will happen to a human.

that said, minor tweaking, like having a protein shake for breakfast every day, upping your protein intake to 20% or so, you're fine.

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by welfareloser


umm, no, that's dead wrong. protein is hard on the body, period. you can only digest about 15% of what you ingest, and the rest tears through your liver, kidneys, etc. if you suddenly up your protein intake to 60-70% of your daily calories (as protein diets have you do) instead of the normal 10-15%, you are putting 4-7 times the wear on all the systems of your body that have to deal with protein. people tout things like "it's never been proven to cause harm in humans" but they can do that because no long-term studies have been done on humans. the longest-running protein diet study i've ever seen was 5 years. not long enough.

of course you lose weight on a protein diet. since you can only digest such a small amount of it, it is a starvation diet. bad.

if you look at studies in other mammals, you can find hundreds of awful things that fall apart within the equivalent of twenty human years. and if humans resemble animals as closely in this as they do in every other nutritional study (and i am 99.99% sure they would)this is exactly what will happen to a human.

that said, minor tweaking, like having a protein shake for breakfast every day, upping your protein intake to 20% or so, you're fine.

I think he meant protein drinks (which often contain more than just protein, like Creatine or what not). These drinks are always high in calories so drinking them and not making use of all that energy can make you gain weight. What scared me was that I was able to gain 10 pounds in about 6 weeks. There's no doubt that this stuff works. But as welfare pointed out, extended studies on these diets (including Creatine intake) haven't been really been done.
I have to agree with you on the fact that its talks a toll on your body and its organs (liver, kidney).
The problem is that no meal supplement is pure protein nowadays. (I don't think the Whey Protein drinks are either, check the ingredients).
I've read articles of some body builders taking protein meal supplements that had digestive system problems after extended use. I saw it on a a few years back. Which is why I stop taking it mine on a regular basis.

[Two Cents]

I stay away from that creatine and other hormone based crap. As far as I can tell, this stuff is high in protein and calories only. I only want to become buff so I can flex my cyber-muscles in the GGD forum...:wow: Thanks for the info, yo...

[mjsickel]

Originally posted by Two Cents
...and why the hell is Schwarnegger (sp?) still alive then?
If you look at the advice in his book, (Arnold's Body Building for Men), he sez:
"Kids nowadays...tend to go overboard when they discover body building and eat diets consisting of 50-70% protein - something I beleive to be totally unnecessary... my formula for basic good eating: eat about one gram of protein for every two pounts of body weight."
There ain't no magic pill or drink that'll make you big or buff. Work hard and you can do it. Spen the money from those drinks on a personal trainer and you'll probably see better results.

[Two Cents]

His advice applies to "normal" guys who want to be buff...I'll admit it, I'm a lightweight who can't gain weight no matter how much I eat...I eat at McD's everyday to save money...2 double cheeseburgers everyday for lunch...

I couldn't work out because I got fatigued too quickly, so now I am adding reserves before I start pumping iron...

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Two Cents
His advice applies to "normal" guys who want to be buff...I'll admit it, I'm a lightweight who can't gain weight no matter how much I eat...I eat at McD's everyday to save money...2 double cheeseburgers everyday for lunch...

I couldn't work out because I got fatigued too quickly, so now I am adding reserves before I start pumping iron...

The best advice I could possibly give you is to use it as you eat it. Don't overload on protein and not work out. Protein helps build muscle. Now, if you aren't working out, it will all go to waste.

[Anck Su Namun]

Just eat healthy stuff instead of canned slop

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by Two Cents
His advice applies to "normal" guys who want to be buff...I'll admit it, I'm a lightweight who can't gain weight no matter how much I eat...I eat at McD's everyday to save money...2 double cheeseburgers everyday for lunch...

I couldn't work out because I got fatigued too quickly, so now I am adding reserves before I start pumping iron...

been there. You must have a hyper metabolism like I do.

Do what I did. Get married and have a kid. Gained pounds that way, and now I look normal. I used to weigh 115 in highschool, now I weigh 150-160, depending on the scale and time of week. I feel great. Sure, I do need to tone it, and actually could lose 5 or 10 pounds, but that is so much better then always being under weight and sickly. Besides, I like having a buffer.

Part of the reason you get tired - and I still do - is a) you don't have reserves, period. Your body just shoves food through and right back out, taking a bare minimum of nutrients. It's too efficent. and b) likely, you sweat a lot, and dehydrate. Took me forever to realize that if I say mow the lawn, I need to drink while I do it.

Protien drinks don't work long term, because as soon as you stop, you drop the weight. Trust me I know. Eat when you are supposed to, drink while you work out. You will gain weight, but it will take years to train your body not to be so damn fast.

It will never be perfect - to this day, I skip a meal, I lose 5 pounds. So don't forget to eat. Your body will slow down in your 20's.

[Two Cents]

This is insenitive, LPM, but I thought when a couple had a baby, it is the wife who gained unwanted reserves? :D

And which 20s are you talking about? I'm 24 and I run faster than most rivers do, figuratively speaking...:blush:

Anyways, I have an eating problem. When I am hungry and take one or two bites, my stomach is satisfied, even tho nutritionally I am not. The drinks, for some reason, make me ravenous all the time so I eat more...go figure

[LPMiller]

yeah, I'm the same way. Then half an hour later, I'm all hungry again. It almost doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you always do..eventually, it will catch up. Well, and always keep in mind too much of anything, even a 'good' thing, isn't a good thing. God gave us variety for a reason.

As for the family, wife makes me eat, kid never finishes food. It adds up.

Do you ever get really base cravings...say you eat a little too much suger, and suddenly need salt to 'balance' you out? I get that way all the time. It's like my body can never make up it's mind what it needs at any given point.

[welfareloser]

people who are two skinny and can't seem to GAIN weight... :hmm:

yep, it's men.

*smacka*

jenny may say you're welcome here, but i don't! now, git! GIT!
varmints...

:P

[Two Cents]

Originally posted by welfareloser
people who are two skinny and can't seem to GAIN weight... :hmm:

yep, it's men.

*smacka*

jenny may say you're welcome here, but i don't! now, git! GIT!
varmints...

:P

*Block smacka with Wok*

People who are actually envious of men who are "gone with the wind"...

yep, it's women.

*secret of the demon round-kick* hits Welfare and once again reopens the hallowed doors of GGD to all men...

[sbp]

As LPM said you'll gain weight as you get older. So take it easy since there's no need to hurry Two Cents.

When I was in high school (15 yrs ago) I weighted 140 pounds. Now I only weigh 200 lbs and am still slim. :bigmouth:

[sbp]

{Munches on donuts :munch: while waving :wavey: at chosenfool who is going to the gym}

http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/doughtnuts2.jpg

[welfareloser]

mmmmmmmmm, donuts... actually, i don't see my favorite kind... cake donut with chocolate icing.... mmmmmmmm...

on a side-note, i think all the sobe:love: is making me lose weight at a rather alarming rate. i think i'll step up my red meat consumption rather than cut back on my sobe:love2: habit, tho.

[sbp]

Yesterday was donuts. Today is Sunday Sundae:
http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/sundae.jpg

[fastmhz]

This is a test

[Anck Su Namun]

Originally posted by sbp
{Munches on donuts :munch: while waving :wavey: at chosenfool who is going to the gym}

http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/doughtnuts2.jpg
I went through a phase where I loved donuts and ate them every day. Didn't last long. Gag I don't know what came over me.

[sbp]

Thats why we have Sunday Sundaes and other delightful days. :heh:

[Markel]

Just thought I'd pop in here and offer a suggestion. People might want to take a look at the work of Dr. (PhD) Barry Sears on the Zone Diet. His degree is in physiology. He has found that a diet consisting of (calories) 30% protein, 40% carbo, and 30% fat (of the right kinds) seems to be ideal for keeping the body working at it's peak (hence the "zone"). It's a bit more complicated that just the percentages. Most people that I know that have used his methods have really lost some weight (if they needed to).

[Two Cents]

Markel, your method requires us to do reading and research, which is unacceptable...we are all slackers here...

Besides, I think if all of us had the time, and skills (cooking) and really devote ourselves, we could have perfect bodies. The tradeoff of devoting yourself is just not worth it for a lot of people, I would guess.

[El Scorcho]

About the protein...

as you take in a lot of protein youre gonna need a lot more carbs as well, even more for that matter. If your body cant get energy from carbs (the best way it can) it has to resort to protein (which you might be taking in too much of).

When your body uses the carbon in protein theres a lotta junk left over including ammonia (which is poisonous to your body). To get rid of ammonia the body puts two ammonia together to form urea (which is just two ammonia put together).

Your body then needs to get rid of all this urea so it lets it out through your urine (which is why its sometimes darker).

So a good diet to have (oposed the 30, 40, 30 one mentioned above) is a 30 percent protein, 60 percent carbs, 10 percent fats.

I dunno if you guys knew that or not n im not doctor but thats just what i had to say:D