Got a speeding ticket...need some help...

[Talk2raffi]

So I got a speeding ticket two weeks ago...it was late, I was doing about 115 when I saw the cop parked on the side of the freeway...I slammed on my brakes, he pulled me over...


So I got off at the Offramp and pulled over...he said he got me at 92..but I was kinda pissed cause this CLK430 sped right past me as I saw the cop and the cop pulled me over....

Anyway, I figured I would just pay it off and be done with it...untill today...

When I got off at the offramp I went over an overpass and pulled over...today while driving along the same stretch of road I noticed that that overpass is the San Diego county line...

On my ticket it says Orange County Court...so since I actually got the ticket in SD county, can I have the court changed to the SD courthouse???? (then hopefully show up and the cop won't)...

Also, I have been told that if the cops taillights aren't on that you can say that he wasn't on duty and get out of the ticket...I don't eventhink his car was running when he saw me....is this true??

Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks!!

[welfareloser]

you were speeding. speed kills. pay the ticket and be glad you aren't responsible for any dead babies who woulda survived a crash at 65 mph.

anyway, this is at least the third thread like this... tickets suck, but you don't get em if you're not speeding.

and you're probly right about the venue - it SHOULD be changed. but that will get you exactly nowhere. nobody will change it for you. don't waste your time.

and i don't know about the off-duty thing, but my sincere guess is that you don't even want to try to go there. it doesn't change the fact that you broke the law, and nobody that could help you is going to want to help you, except a lawyer, and unless you have so many tickets that you are about to lose your lisence, i doubt you want to bother with a lawyer.

[Burzhui]

Ok don't listen to her, laws were meant to be broken, and depending on the situation you can speed.

In any case dude i am pulling for ya however the process of switching courthouses will be a pain, you would have to either call them or go to the precienct or the actual courthouse, if you work, then you will lose even more money because of all the time waasted... if you don't get points on your license then just pay it off, if you do get points hire a lawyer

[Memo]

If you haven't taken Defensive Driving i'd probably suggest that. Otherwise, contact the courthouse about the county descrepency. It will probably be a hassle is why I recommend DD. However, if you pull it off then there is a chance the cop won't show up. It's basically either you want to waste money, or time, whatever is more valuable to you :)

[YanksFanRy]

I'm with ya all the way dude! There are two main rules in life:

*Break rules
*Beat cops (not physically though)

[Sir_Froggy]

Originally posted by welfareloser
you were speeding. speed kills. pay the ticket and be glad you aren't responsible for any dead babies who woulda survived a crash at 65 mph.

anyway, this is at least the third thread like this... tickets suck, but you don't get em if you're not speeding.

and you're probly right about the venue - it SHOULD be changed. but that will get you exactly nowhere. nobody will change it for you. don't waste your time.

and i don't know about the off-duty thing, but my sincere guess is that you don't even want to try to go there. it doesn't change the fact that you broke the law, and nobody that could help you is going to want to help you, except a lawyer, and unless you have so many tickets that you are about to lose your lisence, i doubt you want to bother with a lawyer.

wow she's a smart! it's amazing
yep *nods head*

[MrBehm]

"STOP BREAKING THE LAW, JACKASS!"

-Jim Carrey; Liar Liar :P

[Markel]

A cop in pursuit can cross over lines outside of his jurisdiction. Although I can't say for sure, it is VERY likely that the location that you broke the law is the one that has the right to try your case, not the particular location that you happened to be when the ticket was written (if I am reading your post correctly).

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by Markel
A cop in pursuit can cross over lines outside of his jurisdiction. Although I can't say for sure, it is VERY likely that the location that you broke the law is the one that has the right to try your case, not the particular location that you happened to be when the ticket was written (if I am reading your post correctly).
I think so as well. The actual "enforcement" of the law is superceded by the location in which the actual occurence of the "crime". That's why we extradite people to be tried where they committed the crime, not where they were caught or arrested. But what do I know, I'm not an attorney. This just makes sense to me.

The taillight thing is a new one on me. I'd just show up to contest and hope and pray the cop doesn't show up.

As for not speeding, civic engineers build into their traffic models that people will not obey the posted speed limit. The speed limit has "squish room" built into it. That, however, won't help you in a court of law.

[pennypinch]

Originally posted by welfareloser
you were speeding. speed kills. pay the ticket and be glad you aren't responsible for any dead babies who woulda survived a crash at 65 mph.

Speed doesn't kill. ****ty driving does.

[welfareloser]

they both do. you cannot argue that that speed is not a factor. sorry, you can argue anything; you can't prove it. if you can prove that you never sneeze, a bee will never get trapped in your car and distract you, and you will never spill hot coffee on you sack while driving, feel free to speed with a clear conscience. otherwise, i contend that it is bad to speed because speed does not forgive those random errors that can cause accidents.

anyway, my main point was that it is illegal, for a good reason, and if you do it, expect to get caught and pay a fine. it's usually pretty useless to try to get off on technicalities; you're gonna have to pay it anyway, might as well not waste your time pursuing jurisdiction, he-was-going-faster, the-cop-was-not-clearly-on-duty issues, because they're not likely to get you anywhere.

[Markel]

Originally posted by welfareloser
they're not likely to get you anywhere.
Except deeper in doodoo.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by pennypinch


Speed doesn't kill. ****ty driving does.

If you take too much speed you might die :High:

[Burzhui]

Damn see if you want technicalities TLG is the man to talk to, i've never heard of the taillight thing.

But if you want to speed speed dude, just not in the city, random stupid objects usually run out in front of cars, you know little kids, stupid animals. But then again you might be going 30 and some stupid idiot runs out in front of your car.

And yes pennywinch is right... speed doesn't kill ****ty driving does... if you can't handle the speed get off the friggin highway and take a service road or take a train.

Damn what's that highway in germany without the speed limit?

[irwin]

Originally posted by Burzhui
Damn what's that highway in germany without the speed limit?

The Autobahn.

[The Happy Squirrel]

okay three things

one you were going way to damn fast welafre is right on that point
i speed myself always but never go 115

anywayz

two the accaul point of the offense is where he first turned on his lights, so if he turned on his lights on orange county and you got pulled over in SD couynty, then technacally you ere given the right venue, but also if they wanted to they could charge you with evasion and crossing the conty line while being pesued
yes you can get the venue changed if you want to, itll be a pain in the ass and youll have to deal with paper pushing beauracrats who ahve nothing better to do then mess with ya and take up alot of your time with unnessecary paperwork and headaches jsut for thier own amusment another thing is that the cop could ahve been a hwy patrol in which case it doesnt matter

three
yes if a cop does not have his headlight and taillight on <at night> and his engine running then hes is not aloud to use his radar.....
but if hes sees you flying by at 115 mph he can turn on his car and then he can use his radar.

very simple dont use that argument or youll piss off alot of ppl
judges dont look to kindly on pl who try to beat the system on a technacallity
you most likely get the maximum reccomend sentence for it if you try to do that instead of a simple fine



so here is the best course of action
if you ahve to go to court, then go, say i am very sorry, pay the fine and leave
if you dont have to go to court, then mail in your payment

stop speeding

[brainsmile]

not much sympathy here

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui

Damn what's that highway in germany without the speed limit?

all of them.

[Y2J]

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

I cant repeat myself enough, Go there and save your ASS

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Talk2raffi
So I got a speeding ticket two weeks ago...it was late, I was doing about 115 when I saw the cop parked on the side of the freeway...I slammed on my brakes, he pulled me over...

Slamming your brakes after seeing a cop will get you a ticket 100% of the time. Specially doing 115. Be luck that you where clocked at 92, not 115. Why? Your license is revolked if you are caught speeding at over 100mph. No questions asked.

So I got off at the Offramp and pulled over...he said he got me at 92..but I was kinda pissed cause this CLK430 sped right past me as I saw the cop and the cop pulled me over....

Cops technically catch those who they can catch. It is obvious that by the time the cop sped up, the CLK would be long gone. So he went after you, since you already had you. Besides, he probably clocked you first.

Anyway, I figured I would just pay it off and be done with it...untill today...
When I got off at the offramp I went over an overpass and pulled over...today while driving along the same stretch of road I noticed that that overpass is the San Diego county line...
On my ticket it says Orange County Court...so since I actually got the ticket in SD county, can I have the court changed to the SD courthouse???? (then hopefully show up and the cop won't)...

Most likely not because it would be your word against theirs and they are most likely goign to believe the cop (what if he says that it was BEFORE the overpass?) See what I mean?

Also, I have been told that if the cops taillights aren't on that you can say that he wasn't on duty and get out of the ticket...I don't eventhink his car was running when he saw me....is this true??

Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks!!

Cops can hide behind the bushes if they like. The has not been any written rule (that I know of) that says a cop has to show himself before you get caught speeding. Remember, there are some CHPs that are unmarked. They can pull you over just as well as those that are marked.

I say, pay the ticket, and be careful next time you drive around. I make it a point not to drive above the speed of traffic just to be on the safer side. Most cops and pull over 1-2 cars at the most so if most people are going your speed, you should be safer. Otherwise, always drive aroudn with a friend that works for law enforcement. They have the courtesy of not ticketing law enforcement agents. :)

[Blu]

Man, with all the rampant speeding, we might need a forum dedicated to it...


BLU

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Passwird


The Autobahn.
thank you passwird :)

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser


all of them.

NO!!!, Not all of them

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by TheBluGuy
Man, with all the rampant speeding, we might need a forum dedicated to it...


BLU

I second that:cool:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui


NO!!!, Not all of them

d00d, i am telling you that none of the highways in germany have a speed limit. if there is a speed limit, it ain't a highway. that's it.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by welfareloser


d00d, i am telling you that none of the highways in germany have a speed limit. if there is a speed limit, it ain't a highway. that's it.

Dood-ette i am telling you, you are wrong... only Autobahn doesn't have a speed limit

[Markel]

Hmm. This little spat got me searching, and I found the following in a google cache (the matched link gives a 404 error):

Speed aside, driving on the autobahn is a very enjoyable mode of transport that can even be cheaper than public transportation if you're traveling with someone. And contrary to public belief, there are speed limits on about 85 percent of the autobahns.

[Grimm]

Your in San Diego???

Call Mr. Ticket.

He is listed in the phone book under that, "Mr. Ticket".
He knows more about trafic law than anyone you ever want to meet, including the traffic cops.

[El Scorcho]

first of all buddy... 115?!?!?!

jeeeeeee-bus! (whoever it was that said this) is right! you SHOULDA had your ticket revoked.

Second... how do you think youre about to get outa this one? obviously a judge wont give a damn WHAT happened or what cop didnt have his lights on or who else was speeding... the point is you were going almost twice the speed limit. Just pay the ticket.

I think youre lucky thats ALL that happened. Welfares right... at 115 some SERIOUS damage coulda been done to some innocent people.

[Talk2raffi]

Ok..to all those who are helpful, thanks...

Second...It was like 1 AM and there was only one other car on the road (besides the cop), and that guy was going just as fast and I was clear across the freeway from that other car...

I DO NOT drive that fast with other cars around and I am not one of those dips**ts in a little riced out integra that changes like 4 lanes in one swoop (that is just plain idiotic)...

Anyway...thanks for the helpful links and such.

[psycho-]

I must add my two cents in this conversation


Speed does not kill. It's the combination of the driving situation in america

You take the following:
-A speed limit (with those who follow and those who have to get around them.)
-Poorly Trained Drivers (American drivers are some of the poorest trained in the modern world)
-A lack of vehicular responsibility/ distractions(Reading, eating, talking on the cellphone, etc, while driving)
-The allowance of cellular phones conversations to occur while the vehicle is in motion (in most states still)
- An unusually high amount of heavy and grossly large vehicles. (SUVs are an American anomoly)
-American drivers are oblivious to their surroundings (they don't know what's happening around them while they're driving)

And, of course speed kills.

Even the best trained drivers will not be able to predict what other drivers do.

Observation #1
Now, why doesn't the US learn from the rest of the world and use high speed trains and a good train network in urban areas?

Observation #2
Why are SUV drivers the worst people out there...they usually give you a look if you cross them wrong or something.

Observation #3
The majority of Ford Explorer/Firestone cases occured with excessive speed on the highway in high temperature areas.

Observations #4
Most Americans don't understand "flash-to-pass" and are generally unwielding to those who want to pass

Observation #5
There are a large amount of fast drivers that are overly aggressive.

Obersation #6
Even though the # of traffic accident related deaths have generally been lowered, the # is still higher than that of Germany.


Okay, time for the rant that's absolutely politically incorrect:
(I'm gonna get flamed on this one)

-I hope all you SUV owners can flip your tall station wagons over sometime. seriously, how many people who own SUVs even have 4WD or a multi-mode 4x4 system?

-I hate most of you american-flag wielding SUVs and some cars. You guys are usually the one that cuts me off and then gives me a look. Dude, I wish you were a victim instead of some undeserving people. As far as I'm concerned, you care about "unity" as long as it only concerns yourself still

[psycho-]

Originally posted by Markel
Hmm.
Speed aside, driving on the autobahn is a very enjoyable mode of transport that can even be cheaper than public transportation if you're traveling with someone. And contrary to public belief, there are speed limits on about 85 percent of the autobahns.

That's very true. Though, I do believe that ICE is faster just because of the traffic around the cities.

Countryside driving, and intercity driving is still relatively unlimited due to the conditions that allow. Intracity driving, might as well as use local buses and trollies.

Quite a huge chunk of the autobahn is slow, because of traffic jams.

[El Scorcho]

Originally posted by Talk2raffi
Ok..to all those who are helpful, thanks...

Second...It was like 1 AM and there was only one other car on the road (besides the cop), and that guy was going just as fast and I was clear across the freeway from that other car...

I DO NOT drive that fast with other cars around and I am not one of those dips**ts in a little riced out integra that changes like 4 lanes in one swoop (that is just plain idiotic)...

Anyway...thanks for the helpful links and such.

i think you forgot to add that and...

didnt you say you were going that fast cause you were late for work? when exactly DO you start work?

[Talk2raffi]

Nope...I was moving the last of my stuff down to San Diego...not going to work...

[El Scorcho]

ohhhhhhh... you said it was late....

sorry bout that;)