P4 3 ghz with liquid nitro... nuts... very nuts...

[sho.gun]

http://holicho.lib.net/othters/010907_06.jpg

Look at that, i can freeze dry an adult cow if I had one of those... sheesh. Look at the system info:

http://holicho.lib.net/othters/010906_01.gif

his site is http://holicho.lib.net/ there are more pictures there. I wonder though, does liquid nitrogen conduct electricity? I'm guessing yes but my prefrontal cortex says otherwise.

[underclock]

When the Pentium 4 was release, Intel also had with then a 3.5 Gigahertz Pentium 4 that was supercooled. So thats the new goal to reach with nitro, 3.5 gigahertz! :)

Anyway, i though about this type of cooling and i didnt like it... condensation on other parts of the system or just ice forming on ur system (then melting and then shorting) seems like a serious problem.

On my post below "need help for crazy water cooling idea! :)"
i can should be able to reach water temps around 0 or a few degrees less and cool every part of my system, not just the processor.

Still looking for info on how to water cool DDRAM, anyone have a link??
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[xsiled2]

hrm 3.5 that would be about a 1.7 athlon id say :D

[ribitch]

Its still a p4. And we all know that a p4 is a worthless piece of crap. It might have a high clock speed, but that pipeline it has really really hurts it. An AMD is the way to go.

[underclock]

Right now AMD is prob the fastest gaming station out there... but thats going to change.

AMD still back in the stone age w/ .18 micron production

Intels now using .13 micron...

Sure "It might have a high clock speed, but that pipeline it has really really hurts it" yeah pretty soon the pipeline is going to be streaming data so fast that its going to KILL athlons.

Im not in favor of Rambus (im waiting for PC4000 DDRAM HEHE) but i do know that in the end, Intel is going to create a better/faster computer. Athlons used to be the "Overclockers" choice machine but now id have to disagree, w/ P4, u could have total heatsink failure and the PCU would come out unharmed. Try that with anything else and can u say "TOASTY!" :P

Just wait till many of the game companies really start using DX8 and more coding that can really increase the P4's performance... pretty soon most games will be running like Quake for the P4 and athlons will be the poor overclockers computer.

*personally im waiting for P4 @ 2.53 gigahertz (i will overclock past 3 w/ my water chilling system), high speed DDRAM, 133MHz FSB & 533MHz Quad Pumped Bus (comes out in Q2).*

[ribitch]

I totally disagree with you.

Yeah AMD is using .18 technology. The difference is AMD is faster than intel using the .18 compared to intels .13 So what happens when AMD makes the switch? Well AMD will totally rock intels ass.

The P4 might be a cooler running chip, but again AMD has yet to adopt the .13 fabrication. When they do, the heat will drop as well.

The peipleine is totally the key. Thats where perfomance is made nowadays. Look at the G4. Slow clock speeds, blazing performance. Same goes for AMD now. Slower clock speeds. Killer performance. The itanium will be the same way. There is a reason the current itanium clock is so slow. Its partially do to the smaller pipeline.

The hammer series by AMD will be something else. As far as I am concerned an intel product is way too overpriced for what it can do.

[sbp]

Originally posted by ribitch
Its still a p4. And we all know that a p4 is a worthless piece of crap. It might have a high clock speed, but that pipeline it has really really hurts it. An AMD is the way to go. I am not fan of the P4 and I run a tbird system. But saying the P4 is a worthless piece of crap is dumb.

[underclock]

"The peipleine (pipeline ;) ) is totally the key"

Thats where i have to disagree with u again...

Beause AMD's pipeline is so short, there going to start running into problems when they try to go higher clock frequency.

There was a reason that intel decided to go with a longer pipeline, and that reason is u can really crank up the gigahertzs without dramatic side effects.

If u know ur news than u have heard that intel rates the P4's lifetime clock frequency to 10 gigahertz. 10!!! What that means is they thats going to give programers more time to write code that can specifically take advantage of the P4 architechure.

What does that mean?? Well take a look at ID's Quake Engine... something that was build with the pentium computer in mind... hmmm wonder why pentiums kick the crap out of any athlons in benchmarking using quake???

With future games using SSE2 optimization the pentiums are going to be able to take advantage of code that made for the pentium's blazing clock speeds.

"Alias|Wavefront has used the special Intel Compiler optimized for the Pentium 4 to compile Maya 4."

hmmm what future game is going to run Maya 4 based code???

Just the Future of Online games: Star Wars Galaxies!!! *which is the main reason im going to get a crazy as computer*

Now sure todays games run better on athlons because the people who code them dont need to optimize games for today top computer systems... whats today's game w/ the best graphics interface?? Max Payne?? it only needs like a 500mhrz to run fine. But when the game industry decides to make games scalable and implent new code SSE & SSE2 code optimizing DX8 (which SW:G will do) then watch out because Pentium 4 are going to rock the house.

Finally, i just want to say that at the present time yes a AMD Athlon XP™ 1800+ Processor will beat down a plain Intel Pentium 4 @ 2gigahertz, but i would like to see some testing between an over clocked AMD Athlon XP™ 1800+ Processor & a Intel Pentium 4 @ 2gig running at 3 gig... Also i from all the info ive read, Intel Pentium 4 is going to have a bright future because thier going to double the L2 cache and impliment DDRAM so AMD watch out.

[ribitch]

If you were going to use Maya all the time, I think you would probably be using a mac.

True, it might last until 10 GHz, but intel is realizing that MHz dont mean jack anymore. Look at the Itanium. It tops out currently around 1GHz. They wont be able to pick up where the P4 left off in MHz with it. The Itanium is a much faster performing chip than that of the P4 as well. Why, the pipeline.

if a system has a 5 step pipeline and another has a 10 step pipeline, the 5 step will be quicker running the same exact task at the same clock speed.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by underclocked
[BThere was a reason that intel decided to go with a longer pipeline, and that reason is u can really crank up the gigahertzs without dramatic side effects[/B]


the reason they decided to go with a longer pipeline is because they know the key to selling chips is the megahertz, NOT the actual performance, so you make a chip with a longer pipeline and crank up the mhz and your sales go up.

[Speedfreak]

Screw .13 I am waiting for the -.13 micron. :heh:

[Freon]

if a system has a 5 step pipeline and another has a 10 step pipeline, the 5 step will be quicker running the same exact task at the same clock speed.

Completely irrelevant consider you won't be able to run the 5 step as fast.

Yeah sure marketing has to do with it, but don't count out long pipelines in the long term.

[spigidygak]

holy shnikeys thats one mutha of a cooling system. . . HEY APEX . . . *hint hint* ;D.