Geforce 2 Ti SUCKS Choda

[assnips]

Worst card ever


theres absolutly no change compared from that and a mx cards..

maybe if u use benchmarks

But who cares about benchmarks.. i feel no different between mx and Ti at all

TIP* if your gonna buy a video card GO ALL OUT ex. radeon 8500 or a Geforce 3

[LPMiller]

Thats what I say all the time...if it doesn't feel faster, benchmarks become pointless.

[assnips]

LP is probably the only with a brain

whats the point of benchmarks?? do they make you ppl feel better?

[sho.gun]

yes, i like benches. just don't sit on one if it says wet paint.

But really, there are a lot of people out there who heavily considers benchmarks. Although it might not "feel" faster, the psychological factor of knowing you have the faster item compared to others makes them want to purchase that product. Do you really feel the difference between a p4 and an athlon 1600? I doubt it, but it shows on benchmarks and people dig that.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by assnips
Worst card ever


theres absolutly no change compared from that and a mx cards..

maybe if u use benchmarks

But who cares about benchmarks.. i feel no different between mx and Ti at all

I think they are moving their platform and don't want the MX cards anymore so the GF2Ti will be the "Value".

I may be wrong. I thought I heard that.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by sho.gun
But really, there are a lot of people out there who heavily considers benchmarks. Although it might not "feel" faster, the psychological factor of knowing you have the faster item compared to others makes them want to purchase that product. Do you really feel the difference between a p4 and an athlon 1600? I doubt it, but it shows on benchmarks and people dig that.

Ya, can't a normal human only "see" 60fps, so if it is any more than that it won't matter. A normal human CAN, however, see a larger number on a piece of paper or computer screen, so... :)

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by Speedfreak


Ya, can't a normal human only "see" 60fps, so if it is any more than that it won't matter. A normal human CAN, however, see a larger number on a piece of paper or computer screen, so... :)

Don't get me wrong, benchies have a place. But you can feel the difference between 60 and 100 FPS, and you can 'see' it, though the more FPS, the harder it is to do. It really is a 'feel' thing; actions are smoother, for one thing. But it all becomes relative after awhile, so the final decider should be what makes ya happy, not what makes 3dmark happy.

[MusashiM]

Yeah, I heard some people talk about eye candy though. The higher the resolution and better the color, the more it effects the fps. You MIGHT see a difference running programs at their highest resolutions, but I can't speak for your system.. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[xsiled2]

but my piss is higher then urs...

[assnips]

So an extra 100 to 200 points makes spending an extra 200 for a stupid card which in end you really dont use that much any ways.. is kinda odd..


GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spigidygak]

You should of read up on some reviews man. Many places were saying that the GT2 ti wasn't really a performance boost from the mx, just something new that nvidia decided to pull out of their arse. I always like to say, "buyer beware." Oh yeah and. . . *ahem* where the hell is wrong thread nazi? This technically should be in the suckage forum, hehe.

[sbp]

It really pays to do your homework.

For someone running an old card like a TNT, a Geforce 2 Ti would be a major upgrade.

[sbp]

...Lieutenant without a brain.

[Clauzii]

Originally posted by assnips
So an extra 100 to 200 points makes spending an extra 200 for a stupid card which in end you really dont use that much any ways.. is kinda odd..

GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

X-actly!! One thing is big companies calling something ´Ti´ trying
to convince us byers that we get something special: BUMMER!!

Just played MaxPayne in 640x480 on my Lovely TNT - works fine.
Higher details/resolution some screams??
With such a shi... gameplay, what does it help with nice graphics?

I am actually considering changing my TNT@87 MHz (Ups.. 89MHz actually) AGPx2, with a RADEON 8500... Looks very promising now....!!

Remember: If it works do not change it!

[unnamed]

Originally posted by Speedfreak


Ya, can't a normal human only "see" 60fps, so if it is any more than that it won't matter. A normal human CAN, however, see a larger number on a piece of paper or computer screen, so... :)

people say 72fps but i think its a little higher.

somewhere between 75 and 80 (hint: think of refresh rates, you sure as hell can tell the difference between 60 and 75).

[joe52985]

i remember my tnt, i got that thing up to around 130, no fan! hehe

[MusashiM]

Originally posted by unnamed


people say 72fps but i think its a little higher.

somewhere between 75 and 80 (hint: think of refresh rates, you sure as hell can tell the difference between 60 and 75).

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure refresh rates don't = frame rates...

[unnamed]

they aren't the same thing but we're talking about how many different images the human eye can see in a second. if your monitor is only refreshing 60 times a second (60hz) you get 60 (or less) fps. personally i find 60 fps to be annoying and would generally prefer playing a different game or lowering my detail settings if thats all i can get.

but if you get a nice monitor and try to tell the difference between 75+ and 100 you probably wont be able to (without looking at numbers, if you know which one you're looking at you can probably trick yourself into thinking you can see the difference).

the guy had the right idea, 60fps is just way low. i would say its more like 75fps (maybe a tad higher).

[MusashiM]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that Hz isn't exactly equal to seconds, so... A monitor refreshing at a rate of 85 Hz is not refreshing 85 times a second. Like I said, I might be wrong, but that was my impression.

[unnamed]

im pritty sure it does mean it's refreshing 85 times a second at 85hz.

why would vsync limit you to 85fps at 85hz if that wasn't the case?

[spigidygak]

Hertz is a measurement of frequency per second. So, the refresh rate measured in hertz is for how many times the screen is refreshed every second. For example a 60 Hz refresh rate means the screen is being refreshed 60 times per second not 60 times per minute.

[MusashiM]

Then, that being true, since most monitors running at higher resolutions can't match the refresh rates of the videocard. That would mean that anything over 85-90 fps would be wasted, and I'm not sure you would even be able to acurately test the fps if that were the case. Weird...

[assnips]

im returning it tommrow n e ways

now im thinking

im may upgrade to amd 1.333 or xp 1600
with blah blah mobo, sound, hd

video card time : ATI RADEON 8500 or GEFORCE 3 Ti200


plz gizz out n e commmnets

[spigidygak]

Originally posted by assnips


plz gizz out n e commmnets

:confused: eh. . . I think only nija is one to "gizz" out comments :P.

[MusashiM]

Originally posted by assnips


video card time : ATI RADEON 8500 or GEFORCE 3 Ti200


Couldn't you have just gotten a GeF 3 Ti200 for $99 on Black Friday?

[sbp]

Originally posted by MusashiM


Couldn't you have just gotten a GeF 3 Ti200 for $99 on Black Friday? Yes, assuming there were any on the shelves when he went into the store. Another factor is assnips lives in Canada.

[Apex]

Originally posted by sbp
Yes, assuming there were any on the shelves when he went into the store. Another factor is assnips lives in Canada.

So when are we going to Annex Canada again? :D

[MusashiM]

Originally posted by Apex


So when are we going to Annex Canada again? :D

Not like they have much of a choice, right?

[sbp]

Know a Mad Tyrant who wants to take over Canada? http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif

[Speedfreak]

I picked me up a PNY Verto Geforce3 Ti200. I tried the thing on Friday @ BestBuy, but I got there @ 6:30, too late. All Gone. So I went by Fry's to return my MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer (when using it it feels like your system is sluggish. Terrible response, even for a wireless). I left with the Verto. I never usually return things once I buy them so I figured that would be $75 off the Ti, plus I had my mind set on getting that card @ BB so I had to go home with something. So, I walked out of Fry's with a GeForce3 Ti200 for $140 (Cheaper than the one @ Best Buy after tax and before the mail-in. :)).


I am running it @ 225/475 (core/memory[DDR]) with no problems.

Reference for stock speeds:

GeForce3 Ti200: 175/400
GeForce3: 200/466
GeForce3 TI500: 240/500

[unnamed]

Originally posted by MusashiM
Then, that being true, since most monitors running at higher resolutions can't match the refresh rates of the videocard. That would mean that anything over 85-90 fps would be wasted, and I'm not sure you would even be able to acurately test the fps if that were the case. Weird...

it can't be acurately tested, with vsync on.

thats what vsync does, it tries to sync with your monitor every frame instead of just pumping out as many frames as it can.

[MusashiM]

Ahhh.. now I see...

[Bandito]

Do the Ti's support T&L like the Radeon? I have been so busy on other things I haven't had time to play around with a new card.

[DREDD]

Every GeForce card from the original GF256 to the GF3Ti500 supports T&L.

Personally I got the GF3 normal card and will NEVER buy another GeForce branded card. Why? well, because my GF3 is clocked at 240/500 and it performs better than my friend's GF3 ti500 without overclocking. When Nvidia designs a card that has some features like the radeon 8500 has then maybe. Perhaps my next card won't even be from Nvidia cause ATI seems to move forward with technology instead of relying on the "my Q3 score is 5million fps and you only get 2 million so haha" crap.

[Heihachi]

You know... i was about 30th in line w/ 2 other friends that morning @ Best Buy. We got in the store... ran to the video cards. All GONE. It's gotta be a conspiracy. They said minimum 15 cards per store. I HIGHLY doubt that. Anyone want to file a complaint for me at the Pasadena Best Buy?

[sbp]

Originally posted by DREDD
Every GeForce card from the original GF256 to the GF3Ti500 supports T&L.

Personally I got the GF3 normal card and will NEVER buy another GeForce branded card. Why? well, because my GF3 is clocked at 240/500 and it performs better than my friend's GF3 ti500 without overclocking. When Nvidia designs a card that has some features like the radeon 8500 has then maybe. Perhaps my next card won't even be from Nvidia cause ATI seems to move forward with technology instead of relying on the "my Q3 score is 5million fps and you only get 2 million so haha" crap. The GF3 Ti500 was released because the .13 micron fab size needed for NV25, Nvidia's next generation part was not ready. What is happening now is parts are being bin sorted. Those that make the grade at 240Mhz become Ti500's. Those that don't become Ti200's.

Why doesn't your friend overclock his Ti500 and then do a comparison?

JFYI: Nvidia was the first company to come out with pixel shaders and vertex shaders.

Why should Nvidia release a new videocard with new features that won't be used for a long time? For months the GF3 has been the most feature rich card. Now all of a sudden its not good enough? It costs big money to make a new part with new features. Hell some of the features of the GF3 are not being utilized.

Along with the Radeon 8500, the Ti500 is the fastest card out there. Furthermore, the GF3 series of videocards is more than enough to take care of any game out now and in the foreseeable future.

When you really look at the GF3 and 8500 they are not much different. One videocard supports this version of pixel shader and another supports this version. They both have vertex shaders, T&L, and EMBM. They both support anisotropic filtering and fsaa.

The eclipse, (Nvidia's next generation part) is coming in a few months. Will you say if ATI would get off there ass and make a smarter chip instead of releasing a faster part then? What say you about the 7500?

[Clauzii]

Originally posted by joe52985
i remember my tnt, i got that thing up to around 130, no fan! hehe

Well, I havent OCed the chip itself, but my AGP Bus seems to be!

TNT GPU@100, Memory@110, AGP Bus@89 MHz (I have written 87 MHz sometimes, which is actually wrong....)

And yes, I need a new GPU someday (ATI8500!!!), but for the moment I make more music, than I play games, so......

[assnips]

ATI RADEON 8500 ALL THE wAY