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mojo
01-14-2002, 03:50 AM
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991783

Philips says copy-protected CDs have no future


17:16 11 January 02
Will Knight


Philips, the inventor of the Compact Disc, does not expect controversial attempts by the music industry to introduce CD "copy protection" technologies to last very long, because of consumer complaints.

Philips is opposed to the use of copy protection systems. The technology is designed to stop CDs playing or being copied on personal computers but it can also prevent them from playing on many normal systems.

As inventor of the CD standard and the industry's licensing body, Philips could refuse to license such copy protected discs as genuine CDs, or pursue some other legal obstruction to the practice.

But Gary Wirtz, general manager of the Philips Copyright Office at its headquarters in the Netherlands, believes that copy protection technology will fail all by itself.

"Any kind of legal action would take years and we don't expect these [discs] to last that long," Wirtz told New Scientist. "At the moment we are trying to reason with people rather than sue them."

Wirtz believes that consumer complaints should put music companies off the technique. He adds: "It's not going to work, because any hacker can still make copies. It's only going to effect legitimate consumers and we know there have already been considerable complaints."


Rip off


"If anybody should know its Philips," says Jim Peters, a spokesman for the Campaign for Digital Rights, a technology-focused consumer rights groups based in the UK.

Peters says that copy protection systems infringe upon a listener's right to play music on any platform they wish. Relatively few recordings have been released with copy protection so far.

CD copy protection technologies are designed to prevent people "ripping" music for distribution via the internet. But the technique has proved controversial because protected CDs can cause problems for some older players, portable devices and in-car stereo systems. They may refuse to play or only play with errors on these machines.

CD protection systems currently involve introducing errors that PC players cannot cope with, or including confusing information in a CD's "table", which tells a player how to read its data. Critics allege that the techniques used could also impair the quality of a disc's audio content over time by making a disc less resilient to genuine errors.

topane
01-14-2002, 05:35 AM
Wow. I can't believe one of the big boys is on our side. Quite a relief. I'm still amazed that the music industry is even attempting this copy protection thing.

Nanotech9
01-14-2002, 07:26 AM
w00t! Hurrah for Phillips!... At least they know when to appease the masses... I dont know if they REALLY agree with us, or if they're just going along with what will make them popular with the people, but either way, it sure does seem nice to have them on "our side" :)

attgig
01-14-2002, 08:15 AM
woohoo everyone support phillips now...

Grimm
01-14-2002, 10:07 AM
Hmmmm... Phillips being a manufacturer of CD-RW and CDR Discs (as opposed to music CDs) might have something to do with it.

Anyway I will give Phillips products bonus points when making buying decisions.

molecularfire
01-14-2002, 12:50 PM
:stupid:

BrewMaster
01-14-2002, 01:34 PM
yeah. i'm down with Phillips for doing this. it wold just affect business for them too. imagine their CS dept. getting complaints by people saying "this damn Phillips CD player i bought won't play my new CD." they're just avoiding headache for themselves. me likey.

ken
01-14-2002, 05:35 PM
Lower their prices??

But CD's are already a bargain at $17.99.

If it weren't for best buy and circuit city selling CD's at cost or below cost, I don't think anyone would be buying cds.

leemaj
01-15-2002, 04:11 PM
It's only going to effect legitimate consumers

it should be affect, not effect

DoPeY5007
01-15-2002, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by leemaj
It's only going to effect legitimate consumers

it should be affect, not effect :heh: damn typo Nazi :P

topane
01-18-2002, 08:10 AM
Here's another blurb via The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23736.html):

Philips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs

Netherlands giant Philips Electronics has lobbed a grenade into the audio copy protection arena by insisting that that CDs including anti-copying technology should bear what is effectively a plague warning. They should in Philips' view clearly inform users that they are copy-protected, and they shouldn't use the "Compact Disc" logo because they are not, in Philips' considered view, proper compact discs at all.

The Philips move comes as the major record companies start to introduce copy-protection as quietly as they can. Unfortunate incidents such as Bertelsmann's Natalie Imbruglia lash-up have had the humorously opposite effect, widely publicising copy-protected CDs as poison packages to be avoided at all costs, and they've also clearly had an effect on Philips' thinking. As custodian of the standard, the company has decided it will oppose anything that will degrade it, and detract from the consumer's experience of it...

chrissy
01-18-2002, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by topane
Here's another blurb via The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23736.html):


That is actualy a good idea. Think about someone buying a CD and it won't play in their player. They go to return it. Most places won't take opened disks back (CD, DVD, etc) or if they do, they will allow an exchange for the same title.

LPMiller
01-18-2002, 11:24 AM
heck, they went so far to say that they don't consider copy protected CD's to BE CD's, and that they will make burners for the sole purpose of defeating that copy protection - which will put them right up against the Digital communications act.

BrewMaster
01-18-2002, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by LPMiller
- which will put them right up against the Digital communications act.
better them (and all their money) than me...:P