Want to know how to rip a protected CD? (for personal use of course)

[zero2dash]

First of all this post is meant as a helper for people to rip their OWN cd's for their OWN use, not for sharing, sending to friends, etc. This post IS NOT in any way meant to invoke breaking any laws etc. and hopefully it will be seen as such. I'm just a friendly guy trying to help everyone out who doesn't want to deal with this sheist or who hasn't found answers yet.

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I bought the "More Fast And Furious" cd on Thursday which has (what is, IMO) the GOOD music from The Fast And The Furious on it. I like rap, but I'm not a big Ja Rule fan and the first TFaTF CD is mainly Ja Rule. Anyway, this CD is the first copy protected CD I own (at least that is "advertised"; i.e. by the sticker on the back) and of course I wanted to rip it just to see if I could. I have a massive personal MP3 collection but many of my CD's I don't rip since I listen to them a lot in CD players anyhow.

I tried extracting the tracks with several CDR burning apps; Nero, DiskJuggler, and CDRWin. I also tried several CD rip apps like dB PowerAmp, CDex, and Audio Catalyst. Nothing worked past track 4. The CD has 14 tracks, and from track 5 on the CD would screw up and not rip. For some reason, late this morning I was able to rip tracks 1-12 with DiskJuggler, but then 13 & 14 would not rip. I tried over and over again, a good 5 times - and it didn't work. Then I tried to re-rip the other tracks that did ORIGINALLY rip just to check...and for some reason, the 2nd time around, THEY failed as well. I'm still wondering why this happened.

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I did a lot of research off the net for a good two hours on this topic over the last 36 hours.

What worked you ask?
I got the idea for using CloneCD to make an image file and then using an image extractor to rip the songs out. So I made the CloneCD image and then tried IsoBuster, to no avail. I'd read about Daemon Tools, so I figured I'd try that. After figuring out how Daemon Tools worked, I mounted my image but couldn't figure out how to rip it. Well I eventually realized I could open a CDR app (DiskJuggler) and select the Daemon Tools "drive" to rip the audio tracks from, so I gave it a try and it WORKED right the first time, no problems or anything.

SO ~
that's how you do it. Make an image with CloneCD. Mount the image in Daemon Tools. Use DiskJuggler to extract the digital audio from the image file.

*A note about the protection & a little on how to use DiskJuggler*

The protection apparently is pretty simple, it seems. The CD is two sessions - session 1 is the audio and session 2 is a data track of the software (some crappy media player which is the only media player that will play this cd) and a bunch of DUMMY data that fills up the CD and makes it respond with errors when you try to rip it. (Disabling errors or ignoring errors in CDR apps DO NOT work; I tried it and put "Ignore Read Errors" on and it still wouldn't rip the 13th and 14th tracks.) So when you use DiskJuggler to take the tracks, you'd choose Session 1 in the image file, etc. Just a heads-up.

[ArkiStan]

Ok, cool. I copied it down in time. :cool:

[eSDee]

Now thats a good n00b post! :thumb:

[MadCool]

Very informative... Too bad i don't buy CDs anymore heh

[irwin]

Wouldn't have simply downloading the songs saved you a lot trouble? :shrug:

[DoPeY5007]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Now thats a good n00b post! :thumb: :stupid:

[Hiro]

Originally posted by passwird
Wouldn't have simply downloading the songs saved you a lot trouble? :shrug:

That would have been my first thing...

[zero2dash]

Originally posted by passwird
Wouldn't have simply downloading the songs saved you a lot trouble?

Well, as much as I HAVE downloaded CD's lately off Morpheus, I TRIED to download this CD. I was only able to find like three songs of this CD, and that's only because the three songs I found were on OTHER CD's. (the two Saliva songs and the Benny Cassette "Watch Your Back" song) I couldn't find any of the other songs, and I liked the soundtrack (these songs) a lot so I figured I'd just go ahead and buy that.

I might have nearly 10 gigs of MP3s but if it's an artist I've always followed/supported or it's a CD of music that I like 3/4 of the songs of, I'll just buy it.

[ArkiStan]

So are there a lot of uncompressed whole WAV files available from morpheus too? If so how often do you download them instead of MP3s?

[Ladogaboy]

I don't know if you have the equipment, but you might try ripping it through hardware. If you have recording software and the ability to send line-level audio into your computer, you could try and do it that way. Just an idea. :shrug:

[zero2dash]

ArkiStan:

So are there a lot of uncompressed whole WAV files available from morpheus too?

Erm...not that *I* know of. I don't see why it wouldn't be POSSIBLE, but as far as I know there are none.

Ladogaboy

I don't know if you have the equipment, but you might try ripping it through hardware. If you have recording software and the ability to send line-level audio into your computer, you could try and do it that way. Just an idea.

That was my "last-choice scenario" idea, only because it's time consuming plus you lose quality. This is a direct rip, it's relatively quick (although it's not as simple as put the CD in and rip it like with unprotected CD's) and it works like a charm. ;)

[ArkiStan]

Originally posted by chosenfool
oh wow....this one post worth saving to file!http://www.gotapex.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


i wonder if the same can be done with "backing up" games?

Don't count on it.

:eek:.... :heh:

[Cantacuzene]

As far as backing up games, CloneCD, accept no substitues. Love those crazy germans.

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by chosenfool
oh wow....this one post worth saving to file!http://www.gotapex.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


i wonder if the same can be done with "backing up" games?

Don't count on it.

Clone CD...you really need the RAW Read and Write support, due to the nature of the copy protection scheme.

[zero2dash]

Use CloneCD for games, of most sorts. I almost exclusively use DiskJuggler and CloneCD for everything related to making a dupe, otherwise for MP3 discs and data I use Nero. Although, I'm curious to see how DiskJuggler does both (since it does support both). Methinks I'll have to try that next time I burn one of those types of discs.

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Figured I'd throw a few more cents into my post/the whole idea of copy protection on CD's, etc.

I think it's safe to say that this protection is juvenile at best and mainly meant as a stopper for the "casual" PC users and Adaptec users of the world. I'm not saying Adaptec software is for idiots or anything, I just think it's a good suffice since most casual CD burner owners don't bother downloading any software, plus most CD burners include EasyCD Creator (plus I hate the program personally but that's beside the point). Obviously the RIAA has targeted "casuals" and I think it's pretty hysterically funny that they think they can "help to stop" MP3 trading and downloading online. Ok, for one - putting any sort of protection on something like CD's, a mass-appeal product (likewise, video games) is utterly stupid and futile considering IT WILL BE CRACKED. We all know this of course, but then again, we're l337. :heh:

Anyhow, something as simple as a two session burn with dummy data as session 2? Hasn't Sony been using that ever since the first Playstation 1 discs rolled out...what, 5 years ago? (give or take) To call it "prehistoric" would be putting it lightly. Now while I'd LOVE to write the RIAA, all the record companies, and the chronies involved and let them know that MP3's WILL NEVER go away...period...I know it'd be properly trashed on their end. I'm certain of it. They don't really care what people think about them; the only things they care about are a) ripping off artists of their money and b) stopping a typhoon wave that will never end. I could tell them that people were downloading MP3s off newsgroups since before Napster was even a basic C+ schematic, but what would they (the RIAA) care. They're stupid. Utterly stupid. Just the fact that they're TRYING let alone using protection that wouldn't fool a "CD burner owner of over 6 months" shows that they don't care much. They're just trying so they don't look like they're giving up. I think they already HAVE given up. ;)

I've been downloading MP3s for almost 5 years now. I've had several people on Morpheus ask me "how'd I get so many MP3's" especially of a lot of the artists I have tons of MP3s of that are Japanese bands (especially B'z). (My current MP3 count is 2,611 files, including 114 released full CD's, taking up 9.62 GB.) That's what I tell them, too...I've been downloading them for 5 years. I used newsgroups and "plenty-o-pop-ups" MP3 websites from the getgo until Napster rolled out and then I switched to that. I was a dial up connected, late-night-livin', GetRight usin' MP3 guru back before "the sheep computer users" (i.e. people who buy computers/iMac's "because they're happenin'") even knew what the heck an MP3 was.

I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm just saying that all just to give everyone an idea of what sort of a computer user I am and what I know. Man my resume is chock-full of computer background; I took Graphic Design in school (which is the work I'm in now) and I've used computers for more than half my life...Apple IIc's back in grade school with the 5 1/2 discs and games like The Oregon Trail...ah, those were the days. :D I will say that I was certainly a little confused with the copy protection *of* this CD at first (More Fast And Furious) but once I did a good amount of research, saw many people saying (paraphrasing here) "the protection was really easy to figure out how to crack once I realized how it worked" - I laughed at myself for not really detecting such a goofy and little (i.e. "not hard at all") copy protection.

Finally I'll just say that another reason I think all of this is funny is that the RIAA is giving programs like Morpheus free publicity, thus putting another nail in the proverbial coffin. :P Idiots, the lot of them...when will they ever learn. :rolleyes: