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mojo
02-13-2002, 05:47 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020212/ap_on_re_us/clintons_gifts_8

Report: Clinton Gifts Total $400G
Tue Feb 12, 6:52 PM ET
By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Clinton (news - web sites) left office with more than $400,000 in gifts, including $75,000 in china, crystal and furniture received in his last weeks in office, according to a congressional report.

Rep. Doug Ose (news), R-Calif., said Tuesday that some items were undervalued, others were not disclosed and some were labeled missing or lost so the true value of all the gifts may never be determined.

"The current system is broken and needs to be fixed," he said. Ose spoke at a hearing intended to boost support for his bill to give the National Archives responsibility for overseeing presidential gifts, instead of the six agencies that now are involved.

Controversy over presidential gifts arose last year when the Clintons disclosed they had received $190,027 in the president's final year in office, but did not specify the dates on which gifts were received.

The investigation by Ose's subcommittee was meant to provide a detailed accounting of the gifts.

Julia Payne, spokeswoman for the former president, said the investigation by Republican congressional staff was a "blatantly partisan" attack on the former first family. She said the Clinton White House followed practices of past administrations, which included consulting professional appraisers.

Payne said the Clintons responded to the controversy by paying for $86,000 worth of gifts, sending checks to donors a year ago. They returned other gifts to the National Park Service after some donors said the gifts were for the White House, not the Clintons.

A Democratic lawmaker from Hawaii said presidents should not be allowed to take any gifts with them.

"No president or his immediate family ought to accept a dime's worth of gifts," said Rep. Patsy Mink (news), D-Hawaii, the lone Democrat to ask questions at the hearing.

Mink did not take issue with the investigation's findings, but she questioned why Republicans did not also look closely at George Bush's presidency from 1989 to 1993.

Common Cause, which advocates reducing the role of money in politics, also supports banning all but token gifts

Ose defended his House Government Reform subcommittee's work as an exhaustive look at the most recent presidential administration. "This is not a witch hunt," he said.

Ose also took aim at the more than $75,000 in china, crystal and furniture that arrived at the White House in December 2000 alone, after Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites)'s election to the Senate but before she was covered by the Senate's strict limits on gifts. The gifts were received at a time when the Clintons were looking to furnish two newly purchased homes, one each in Washington and Chappaqua, N.Y.

Ose called the timing "disturbing at best."

The Clintons took with them $360,000 worth of large gifts when they left the White House in January 2001, Ose said. They also left with additional gifts worth at least $40,000 that were not disclosed, were undervalued or were too small to trigger public disclosure.

Among the undervalued gifts was an original land grant signed by President John Quincy Adams in 1826, Ose said. The White House valued it at $240; a local appraiser said such items typically cost $500 to $600.

Dozens of gifts were labeled "lost" or "misplaced" in the records investigators examined, including a $4,200 18-karat gold saxophone pin and a $1,200 rug from Pakistan.

oblongmelon
02-13-2002, 05:53 AM
:mad3: :thumbdown

Leon
02-13-2002, 06:14 AM
You can read some of that on Amazon's page. They scanned 26 pages of Barbara Olson's book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895261677/gotapex

mojo
02-13-2002, 06:21 AM
it makes me wonder who took what and when. i mean, sure, clinton was bad. but who else was bad? and to what extent? there may have been bigger offenders.

something like this could make it very hard for future presidents to "appropriate" objects of desire. there goes that snack pantry gw had his eye on.

johnnymk
02-13-2002, 07:09 AM
....and Barbara Olson was on that plane that went down in Pa. on September 11

Leon
02-13-2002, 07:22 AM
Actually, she was on the plane that flew into the Pentagon.

johnnymk
02-13-2002, 07:31 AM
Really?.. I hadn't heard that one.

whitak24
02-13-2002, 07:39 AM
Dozens of gifts were labeled "lost" or "misplaced" in the records investigators examined, including a $4,200 18-karat gold saxophone pin and a $1,200 rug from Pakistan.
ok, i realize that when you're the President and you get cool stuff all the time and you got $400k worth of gifts, a $4,200 gold pin probably doesn't mean much. still, GIVE ME THE DAMN PIN. i'd sell it -- i could really use $4,200.
and i love oriental rugs. if you need to "misplace" a $1,200 pakistani rug, please "misplace" it at my apartment.

Leon
02-13-2002, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by johnnymk
Really?.. I hadn't heard that one.

Hmm... the image can't be pasted. Oh well... follow my amazon link a couple of posts up and you will see the "back cover." Click on it and it will enlarge.

edit: Here we go...
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/

attgig
02-13-2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by whitak24

ok, i realize that when you're the President and you get cool stuff all the time and you got $400k worth of gifts, a $4,200 gold pin probably doesn't mean much. still, GIVE ME THE DAMN PIN. i'd sell it -- i could really use $4,200.
and i love oriental rugs. if you need to "misplace" a $1,200 pakistani rug, please "misplace" it at my apartment.

hahahahaha,
Why don't you go into his house and kinda....'borrow' thos things from him...
he claimed that he lost it anyways...so, if it's lost in his safe or drawer...well, you can 'find' it for him, and uhhhh...'borrow' it. :)

Thunder
02-13-2002, 03:48 PM
loser

Hiro
02-13-2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by cpugeek04
:bonk::nono: :johnwoo2: :bash: :boxing:

My thoughts exactly...

eSDee
02-13-2002, 04:03 PM
well now we know who all the Republicans are. Let's not forget this when it's asked how much of congress got a kickback by Enron. Let's keep track of all "gifts" in Washington, not just those of the President you love to hate.

Greykiller2k2
02-16-2002, 06:31 AM
posted 02-12-2001 11:43 PM
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NYTimes 2/11/01
Gowns? What Gowns?
By JOHN LELAND

JACQUELINE KENNEDY took a pair of valuable antique tables. Millard
Fillmore took a coach and six bay horses, then sold them after he left the presidency. Ronald and Nancy Reagan, after his two terms in office, left the White House with more than $1 million worth of dresses, jewelry, shoes and accessories.

When Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton moved out of Pennsylvania Avenue last month with a hefty boodle of gifts, they were widely criticized. But, clearly, the first family was in good company. As William Seale, who edits the newsletter of the White House Historical Society, said, the Clinton harvest was bigger than that of most recent presidents, but the question of presidential gifts "has been a raw nerve for 200 years."

Mr. Seale dates presidential gift controversies to James Monroe, who sold his personal furniture to the White House to finance his presidential travels, then reacquired it before leaving office in 1825. The resulting uproar was loud enough to ensure that American political life would forevermore include gifts as a topic that would allow "enemies to attack a president in a way anyone can understand," Mr. Seale said.

Presidential gifts have long been as slippery as campaign finances and have inspired as much creativity. Chief executives have left the White House bearing everything from precious jewels to, in the case of the last President Bush, at least 39 fishing rods. Several presidents had friends who bought them homes; Woodrow Wilson's bought him the White House limousine.

Most of the accumulation -including the Clintons' -is within the law. Presidents have few restrictions on what they can accept, other than from foreign rulers or foreign citizens. They cannot, however, pocket any gift intended for the White House itself.

The king of swag was Ulysses S. Grant, said Carl Sferrazza Anthony, author of "America's First Families: An Inside View of 200 Years of Private Life in the White House" (Touchstone, 2000). General Grant considered all presents to be rewards for his accomplishments in battle. He and various family members made off with tables inlaid with pearl and precious metals, Asian ceramic urns, scrolls of gold brocade and other riches, Mr. Anthony said.

Similarly, no one objected when a bereaved Mrs.Kennedy moved out with several items donated for the restoration of the White House. Two tables sold at auction in 1996 for $107,000 and $48,875. At the same auction, the White House paid $16,100 to buy back a drawing she removed.

Nancy Reagan drew criticism -and the interest of the I.R.S. -for her propensity for "borrowing" $20,000 couture dresses from designers, a practice
which she said supported the fashion industry. Mrs. Reagan promised to stop, but then changed her mind. In "My Turn: The Memoirs of Nancy Reagan" (Random House, 1989) she addressed her critics,
concluding, "One reason may be that some women aren't all that crazy about a woman who wears a size 4, and seems to have no trouble staying slim."


Too bad these forums did not exist when Reagan was President...then the persons enraged by what the Clintons did would be TWICE as enraged when the Reagans took over TWICE as much (not counting the gowns).

Right?

Right?

Oh, sorry.

All I can say is: "There is nothing new here, folks...move along, move along."

Liberals are enraged when Bush does things that smack of impropriety...and conservatives jump thru hoops to point out that what he did was "legal" or "supported by the constitution." Maybe conservatives should hold the same standards to other past presidents, so that they do not look biased and petty.

For example, as a libertarian, I think that a lot of the things Clinton did were sleazy. I think a lot of things that Bush does is sleazy. I get more upset, however, when the things that the president does impacts my pocketbook and my quality of life, as opposed to my sense of morality and fair play.

mojo
02-16-2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Greykiller2k2


Too bad these forums did not exist when Reagan was President...then the persons enraged by what the Clintons did would be TWICE as enraged when the Reagans took over TWICE as much (not counting the gowns).
other forums existed. there were polls, public opinion, etc. it wasn't exactly the stone age.


Right?

no


Right?

no, dammit!


Oh, sorry. no prob